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[Reorte]

razor150 wrote...

The new endings make them more palatable, but the logic behind the 3 choices is still awful and the ending is still bad. If you didn't mind the choices and just wanted closure this ending was for you.

Pretty much this. They are still dreadful but the edge has been taken off that dreadfulness. In time I think they'll end up in the "best forgotten" bin, like ME2's Reaper Baby. The whole bad logic and artificial negativity is still there (not that it going was ever really feasible).

[zqrahll]

People still hate the ending because the ending is still terrible. More of terrible does not make anything better.

[Velocithon]

Polished. Turd.

With no closure. Seriously a few slides do not give closure.

[Meohfumado]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

We don't like to be forced into choosing between:

War Crime A: Mass Slavery
War Crime B: Galactic-wide Eugenics
War Crime C: Genocide

We don't like feeling like we're doing this:

That's why.

/slow-clap

[tamperous]

Stump01 wrote...

I don't consider destroy as "satisfying" and "happy", although you may be refering to some people in particular, I just consider it as "least bad".  Control still doesn't make sense in respect to the rest of the story, you just got done convincing TIM that it was wrong and he killed himself over it, and Synthesis is now only almost completely non-sensical.

Control is my least bad choice, I guess my aversion to fascist control is not as strong as my aversion to either genocide or forced genetic manipulation, or now suicide.

[GreyLycanTrope]

They fixed most of the flaws but the glaring thing is that the Catalyst still decides how you stop the Reapers for you. Blowing them to hell without killing all other synthetics.

And before anyone points out that I should play a different game if I want a happy ending instead of bittersweet and that the main theme was sacrifice (it wasn't btw) I'd just like to point out that in this series we could complete a suicide mission without casualties and stop the Geth-Quarian conflict by yelling. Happy endings were a possibility before there's no reason they shouldn't be now.

[Kathleen321]

I'm not as angry but I feel much better about the ending. I have no idea how they pulled it off! They really did it. Yes I am not entirely happy but I feel much better. The starchild is meaningless but at least I was able to shoot at him and throw a tissy fit my first playthrough lol.

[Erikwrestledabearonce]

I'm happy with the endings. I do wish there was a shep/LI/crew reunion though. That would be pretty wizard.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Malanek999 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Their artistic integrity leaves many fans of Mass Effect with the impression that the moral of the game is "genocide is sometimes justified."

Am I the only one who thinks that's bad?

If anything I felt they pushed hard against this by trying to promote synthesis. But destroy is fine with me. I don't consider it genocide, which is really a human orientated term anyway. I can understand it being expanded to other races in the galactic community that is the ME3 world but I can't really accept expanding it to machines, especially those that were recently trying to kill us.

And now, we have people denying the personhood of their victims, and claiming that they have committed no crime by killing them. Man, I should make a bingo card. This is seriously the freakiest thing I've seen in a long time. I'm beginning to wonder if this is some kind of human psycholology experiment.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 26 juin 2012 - 10:22 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Most of the complaints I have seen today and I have been reading a lot of threads, is coming from people who wanted Shepard tol live happy ever after or the most fanatical of the IDT theorists. Some people don't like the fact they couldn't win by using just conventional means or convince a computer AI that it is wrong with mere arguing which is silly to begin with but more often than not its the IDT theorists and blue babies kind that have been complaining the most.

[kingbear951]

 They did a good job with the control and synthesis endings, because they provided closure like they promised Shepard is dead people are rebuilding etc etc. But the destroy ending was horrible. They still have the scene at the end where shepard takes a breath, so bioware which is it? Are you comitting that shepard is dead or alive? Is shepard going to reunite with the crew or just bleed out? also none of this use you imagination to guess the ending. you said closure and well thats not closure.

[tamperous]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Their artistic integrity leaves many fans of Mass Effect with the impression that the moral of the game is "genocide is sometimes justified."

Am I the only one who thinks that's bad?

If anything I felt they pushed hard against this by trying to promote synthesis. But destroy is fine with me. I don't consider it genocide, which is really a human orientated term anyway. I can understand it being expanded to other races in the galactic community that is the ME3 world but I can't really accept expanding it to machines, especially those that were recently trying to kill us.

And now, we have people denying the personhood of their victims, and claiming that they have committed no crime. This is seriously the scariest thing I've seen in a long time. I'm beginning to wonder if this is some kind of human psycholology experiment.

The perpetuators of real life genocide always de-humanize their victims as the first step of their plan. So yes seeing people justify the actions of a fictional avatar in similar terms says something disturbing.

Modifié par tamperous, 26 juin 2012 - 10:25 .

[Malanek]

Stump01 wrote...
Control still doesn't make sense in respect to the rest of the story, you just got done convincing TIM that it was wrong and he killed himself over it.

It is wrong when you try to do something you can not do. But that doesn't make it wrong when you can do it.

[woodym89]

I'm satisfied that they explained on how squadmates were picked up by Normandy before Shepard gets hit by the beam, it makes the scene with Joker in the original ending more understandable, even better was that it showed that the Normandy was repaired and I don't have to think they are stranded, also I don't have to keep thinking that Joker was some kind of deserter with the ability to teleport my squadmates onto the Normandy like star trek.

But I did not like how Harbringer just literally stared at the Normandy while Shepard was able to get the squad on the ship, Harbringer is destroying things left, right and centre in the charge to the citadel yet just waits like a Gentlemen while my Squad hobbles onto the Normandy. Just a minor annoyance though but still weird.

I was also satisfied that they added a epilogue at the end, but I still don't like the endings as they are from the moment you get to the citadel to including a new antagonist. I know its something that will never be changed and I hope not otherwise what would that say about Bioware and what they thought of the ending, but at least now I can accept the ending as it is without thinking "WTF just happened" before EC.

Modifié par woodym89, 26 juin 2012 - 10:26 .

[BooBoo_swe]

Mria wrote...

With the new endings imo...

i thought them amazing and well made this time, no dramatic bull**** and way more explanatory now !

i know there are still some plot holes but i felt they realy did a good overall, dam i felt realy good about it...like a victory !

idk if the community will feel that is the winning of the war or just another battle but imo that was the best victory evryone could achive here...being IT supports or Retake ones evryone contributed to the cause in some way and i felt bioware did just that with those endings...hell...even the refusal ending seemed decent enough !

Now  what u guys feel its still missing ? i know some stuff can be added in other DLCs later but there are some that they should have added in the end (Racchni being one of the most important).

lets hear it folks.

Note: If the IT or Retake felt that as the final victory i would congratulate both for the hard work and effort they`ve put to make their opinions and ideas be heard and, hopefully, a well recived ending (if most of the forums felt that way) that we just got now.

My reason for my massive dislike to everything in ME3 is that what mass effect 3 was to be prior to release and seeing it was utter and complete nonsense casey and other developers spewed to sell a game they didnt make the way we were told, and added magic.. I find ME3 to be the worst in the series and i wont play the EC since it changes nothing. My ME3 ending is after i complete Illusive Mans' base. Up til then it's acceptable but still humiliating to see BW think of some players to be far dumber than they really are. (Geth IV, Rachni even after destroy etc).. Screw this, ppl can love EC as much they want, my opinion is based on more than a starchild and weak explanation.. ME3 is so bad i hope Hudson lives out of a shoebox the rest of his life IF he had any say and responsible for how this game turned out after the expectations built prior to it releasing.

For endings i dont care if anyone lives or dies, my ending would be based on options i made along the way, alliances built and my accumulated streangth at end, and a granfinale showdown, conventional. Be it fail given i dont care, if i want that space magic crap, with or without explanations, i resort to DA2, wich uses magic more frequently and better.

Enough Said.

[JamesT91]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Most of the complaints I have seen today and I have been reading a lot of threads, is coming from people who wanted Shepard tol live happy ever after or the most fanatical of the IDT theorists. Some people don't like the fact they couldn't win by using just conventional means or convince a computer AI that it is wrong with mere arguing which is silly to begin with but more often than not its the IDT theorists and blue babies kind that have been complaining the most.

im neither of those, i like tragic stories so shepards death was perfect, and ive never read any info on the indoctrination theory so i dont even know what they wanted, but the simple fact is that this "extended cut" didnt fix or even address any of the issues. the entire point of this dlc was to expand on the terrible endings and give some closure to the story and characters weve spent 5 years learning about and it doesnt even attempt to do that

[Dragoonlordz]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Their artistic integrity leaves many fans of Mass Effect with the impression that the moral of the game is "genocide is sometimes justified."

Am I the only one who thinks that's bad?

If anything I felt they pushed hard against this by trying to promote synthesis. But destroy is fine with me. I don't consider it genocide, which is really a human orientated term anyway. I can understand it being expanded to other races in the galactic community that is the ME3 world but I can't really accept expanding it to machines, especially those that were recently trying to kill us.

And now, we have people denying the personhood of their victims, and claiming that they have committed no crime. This is seriously the scariest thing I've seen in a long time. I'm beginning to wonder if this is some kind of human psycholology experiment.

In the end it is nothing more than a video game, just like how I won't burst into tears when I lop off the head of a NPC in Skyrim people should not be trying to paint this dumb picture of mental instability or social degradation just because you kill some fictional characters in a game. Seriously it comes across from those sort of people who use such tactics as nothing more than grasping at straws to attack Bioware with.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 juin 2012 - 10:25 .

[NPBAbyssal]

I loved the endings yes..
Control was a little disturbing and reminded me a lot of the ending to the Matrix Revolutions x)
Synthesis, amazing in its own unique and special way...
But the one that touched my heart was Destroy.. few times will people be drawn to tears through video games, but this time was constant.
...and in response to the haters who cannot be satisfied.. If this had been in the original released game.. I'd bet my bottom dollar it wouldn't have received a tenth of the s**t it has.. But opinion is opinion and who am I to take that away..
Thankyou Bioware, Peace of mind at last.

[iggy4566]

Velocithon wrote...

Polished. Turd.

With no closure. Seriously a few slides do not give closure.

[ArenCordial]

While EC is better, its not hard to see why it's disliked because EC fails to address may of the key weakness of the original that the community pointed out to Bioware.

Lets see here.

-Still plenty of plot holes abound.
-The ending choices are still a blantant copy of Deus Ex and as a result still don't mesh well with Mass Effect's themes.
-How about those SIXTEEN different endings you advertised Bioware? There's still only RGB.
-Choices outstide of RGB still don't effect the ending.

[corporal doody]

Retakers!


they wanted a Disney Style ending with rainbow crapping unicorns

[Zero132132]

The bit with the Normandy pick-up in the middle of the rush towards the beam should have been handled differently. I'm also annoyed that I don't get to see any sort of difference in how the Krogan are depending on how I dealt with them.

Overall, though, I'm satisfied. I was fairly satisfied with the original endings, actually. I think the only reason people are still mad is because they hated that the Catalyst wasn't removed. Loved what they did with the explanation about his origins, how he turned his unwilling creators into the first Reaper.

[Dragoonlordz]

JamesT91 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Most of the complaints I have seen today and I have been reading a lot of threads, is coming from people who wanted Shepard tol live happy ever after or the most fanatical of the IDT theorists. Some people don't like the fact they couldn't win by using just conventional means or convince a computer AI that it is wrong with mere arguing which is silly to begin with but more often than not its the IDT theorists and blue babies kind that have been complaining the most.

im neither of those, i like tragic stories so shepards death was perfect, and ive never read any info on the indoctrination theory so i dont even know what they wanted, but the simple fact is that this "extended cut" didnt fix or even address any of the issues. the entire point of this dlc was to expand on the terrible endings and give some closure to the story and characters weve spent 5 years learning about and it doesnt even attempt to do that

Funny because we have an entire forum with vast amount of people saying it fixes their enjoyment of the ending whether through filling in blanks to giving the extra choice to not accept the three previous choices, seeing outcome of choices in epliogue slides and cinematics about LI's. Huge amounts of people who did not like the original endings say they are now satisfied some have even gone from dislike to  loved it. Like I said I have been here all day reading the threads and posts.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 juin 2012 - 10:29 .

[Geneaux486]

NPBAbyssal wrote...
If this had been in the original released game.. I'd bet my bottom dollar it wouldn't have received a tenth of the s**t it has.. But opinion is opinion and who am I to take that away..
Thankyou Bioware, Peace of mind at last.

Agreed, there would still be some hate for it, but that's to be expected with any game.  Really, the worst thing I can say about the Extended Cut is that it's what we should have gotten from the start.  Still, shy of going back in time, Bioware did the best thing it could have done by acknowlegeing what was missing and giving it to us. 

Modifié par Geneaux486, 26 juin 2012 - 10:29 .

[Meohfumado]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Most of the complaints I have seen today and I have been reading a lot of threads, is coming from people who wanted Shepard tol live happy ever after or the most fanatical of the IDT theorists. Some people don't like the fact they couldn't win by using just conventional means or convince a computer AI that it is wrong with mere arguing which is silly to begin with but more often than not its the IDT theorists and blue babies kind that have been complaining the most.

Considering how illogical the computer AI is, it shouldn't have been hard to prove his logic as fallacious.

Starchild: "Biologicals and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist."

Shepherd: "Umm...just five minutes ago I hammered out a mutually beneficial peace accord between biologicals and synthetics."

Starchild: "B..b.b..b..but biologicals and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist.  Its impossible."

Shepherd: "But I just did it!  I just spent hours doing just that.  Not only is it not impossible, its just happened!  Here, come to the Quarian homeworld, I can show you Geth and Quarian working together for mutual benefit.  Peace has been achieved, it clearly is possible because it just happened."