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[Ryzaki]

corporal doody wrote...

Retakers!


they wanted a Disney Style ending with rainbow crapping unicorns

Nope you get that with Synthesis. No thank you.

I just wanted Shep to reunite with the Crew of the Normandy. That's it. Hell it could've just been a seen of Shep smiling as the crew walks towards him on a ravaged Earth. That would've been just fine.

[Malanek]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Their artistic integrity leaves many fans of Mass Effect with the impression that the moral of the game is "genocide is sometimes justified."

Am I the only one who thinks that's bad?

If anything I felt they pushed hard against this by trying to promote synthesis. But destroy is fine with me. I don't consider it genocide, which is really a human orientated term anyway. I can understand it being expanded to other races in the galactic community that is the ME3 world but I can't really accept expanding it to machines, especially those that were recently trying to kill us.

And now, we have people denying the personhood of their victims, and claiming that they have committed no crime by killing them. Man, I should make a bingo card. This is seriously the freakiest thing I've seen in a long time. I'm beginning to wonder if this is some kind of human psycholology experiment.

I'm somewhat offended. Are you seriously likening victims in Rwanda, Cambodia and **** europe, who were singled out and killed because of their racial genes or politcial beliefs, to sacrificing a bunch of machines to save trillions of sentient life forms? Genocide is an extremely terrible crime where the perpertrators deliberately and methodically carry it out. I think it is scary you are using the word genocide.

Modifié par Malanek999, 26 juin 2012 - 10:30 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Meohfumado wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Most of the complaints I have seen today and I have been reading a lot of threads, is coming from people who wanted Shepard tol live happy ever after or the most fanatical of the IDT theorists. Some people don't like the fact they couldn't win by using just conventional means or convince a computer AI that it is wrong with mere arguing which is silly to begin with but more often than not its the IDT theorists and blue babies kind that have been complaining the most.

Considering how illogical the computer AI is, it shouldn't have been hard to prove his logic as fallacious.

Starchild: "Biologicals and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist."

Shepherd: "Umm...just five minutes ago I hammered out a mutually beneficial peace accord between biologicals and synthetics."

Starchild: "B..b.b..b..but biologicals and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist.  Its impossible."

Shepherd: "But I just did it!  I just spent hours doing just that.  Not only is it not impossible, its just happened!  Here, come to the Quarian homeworld, I can show you Geth and Quarian working together for mutual benefit.  Peace has been achieved, it clearly is possible because it just happened."

How often do you argue with your computer and achieve positive results? Arguing with it was not going to change anything both because this is the story Bioware wanted to create even though they gave you a choice to say no to it with a consequence for doing such and secondly it would need to probably be reprogrammed not bickered with.

[JamesT91]

Funny because we have an entire forum with vast amount of people saying it fixes their enjoyment of the ending whether through filling in blanks to giving the extra choice to not accept the three previous choices, seeing outcome of choices in epliogue slides and cinematics about LI's. Huge amounts of people who did not like the original endings say they are now satisfied some have even gone from dislike to  loved it. Like I said I have been here all day reading the threads and posts.

it doesnt fill in the blanks= not a single one of the plot holes from original is fixed
choices dont effect ending all 3 monlogue/ slideshows tell the exact same story
there is no cinematic about LI, in 2 endings i got 1 slideshow of jack standing in front of students with no info at all

if people say they like this when they didnt like the original, then they must have had irrational reason for not liking the orignal, beacuse all the bad writing, plot holes and lack of closure for squad is still there

[NPBAbyssal]

Geneaux486 wrote...

NPBAbyssal wrote...
If this had been in the original released game.. I'd bet my bottom dollar it wouldn't have received a tenth of the s**t it has.. But opinion is opinion and who am I to take that away..
Thankyou Bioware, Peace of mind at last.

Agreed, there would still be some hate for it, but that's to be expected with any game.  Really, the worst thing I can say about the Extended Cut is that it's what we should have gotten from the start.  Still, shy of going back in time, Bioware did the best thing it could have done by acknowlegeing what was missing and giving it to us. 

Yeah I wish so much it had been ths from the start... Goes to show what they can do with the time and effort.. and indeed, determination.

[Firesz]

Just seeing the control ending (picked destory my self.) was pretty damn awesome. The only thing I need now is for someone to say "DUCK ITS A SHEPARD!'



...yup. those words

[comrade gando]

Femlob wrote...

People still unsatisfied with the new endings...why ?

Starbrat.

and his yo-dawg antics. seriously he makes absolutely no sense. the only difference between EC and ME3 vanilla is some plot holes were hand-waved, and we got more insane troll logic from starchild followed by a new choice *a bad one...no bad as in worse than the existing ones*, and epilogue SLIDES and a short video with voice over for each choice.

we still got all the craziness going on in the last 15 minutes, we still got all the plot holes, we still got harbinger saying nothing (cept I could have sworn he said sheppaaarrrdddd just before he zapped him in this one), and everything that goes with those plot holes. where's the boss fight? where's the shepard lives for real ending? was bioware even listening?

all I want, is a final suicide esque mission aboard either the crucible or harbinger where your choices matter and you get an ending that reflects those choices. not RGB. not refuse (lol).

what would be better is if you patched up all the insanity in the last 15 minutes (corpse piles, disappearing helicopters, infinite ammo for your gun, teleporting shepard, teleporting anderson, houdini TIM, shep bleeding from his gut (srsly that meant nothing??, shep AND anderson grunting when anderson gets shot srsly??).

anyway if you patched up the plot holes, and have shepard LIVE for real based on your EMS, and we get a good epilogue where shepard is NOT believed to be dead and he reunites with crew/LI, then we'll be on the right track. still gotta deal with starkid and his mess.

[Pantegana]

Femlob wrote...

People still unsatisfied with the new endings...why ?

Starbrat.

This, and the fact that there's still that annoying circular logic behind the reapers' motive.

[Dragoonlordz]

JamesT91 wrote...

Funny because we have an entire forum with vast amount of people saying it fixes their enjoyment of the ending whether through filling in blanks to giving the extra choice to not accept the three previous choices, seeing outcome of choices in epliogue slides and cinematics about LI's. Huge amounts of people who did not like the original endings say they are now satisfied some have even gone from dislike to  loved it. Like I said I have been here all day reading the threads and posts.

it doesnt fill in the blanks= not a single one of the plot holes from original is fixed
choices dont effect ending all 3 monlogue/ slideshows tell the exact same story
there is no cinematic about LI, in 2 endings i got 1 slideshow of jack standing in front of students with no info at all

if people say they like this when they didnt like the original, then they must have had irrational reason for not liking the orignal, beacuse all the bad writing, plot holes and lack of closure for squad is still there

You are free to continue disliking it but fact is a lot of the ones who said they disliked it prior are now saying they are either satisfied or happy with it for the very reasons I stated. You will achieve nothing bickering with me about what they said as they said it not me and they said it on masse all day through forums from very large amount of people. I just told you what I have seen today, take it or leave it that is what has happened.

[Reorte]

Malanek999 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

And now, we have people denying the personhood of their victims, and claiming that they have committed no crime by killing them. Man, I should make a bingo card. This is seriously the freakiest thing I've seen in a long time. I'm beginning to wonder if this is some kind of human psycholology experiment.

I'm somewhat offended. Are you seriously likening victims in Rwanda, Cambodia and **** europe, who were singled out and killed because of their racial genes or politcial beliefs, to sacrificing a bunch of machines to save trillions of sentient life forms? Genocide is an extremely terrible crime where the perpertrators deliberately and methodically carry it out. I think it is scary you are using the word genocide.

So what if the geth are synthetic?

The point you raise about it genocide being something deliberatly and methodically carried out is accurate, and why what happens in Destroy isn't. Whether the geth are machines or not though is entirely irrelevent because they are sentient.

[Sousabird]

iggy4566 wrote...

Because if I wanted to play Deus Ex I would of played Deus Ex.

Then why are you still here?

[JamesT91]

You are free to continue disliking it but fact is a lot of the ones who said they disliked it prior are now saying they are either satisfied or happy with it for the very reasons I stated. You will achieve nothing bickering with me about what they said as they said it not me and they said it on masse all day through forums from very large amount of people. I just told you what I have seen today, take it or leave it that is what has happened.

thats good for them - really, i wish it didnt fall so drastically in the final chapter. im not gonna argue because theres no point the fact of the matter is this game is not for bioware or RPG fans but is suitable for shooter fans who want what they always get- a game with a lot of noise and action but no substance

[panamakira]

Because people like to **** no matter what especially around here.

I'll be honest though, these ending are not perfect. Destruction makes the most sense to me but it still has really annoying things like the Star Child that I will never get over. However I got enough from the ending I chose that felt satisfied at the end. I wouldn't have been that upset if we would've had these endings initially.

[DistantUtopia]

Malanek999 wrote...
I'm somewhat offended. Are you seriously likening victims in Rwanda, Cambodia and **** europe, who were singled out and killed because of their racial genes or politcial beliefs, to sacrificing a bunch of machines to save trillions of sentient life forms? Genocide is an extremely terrible crime where the perpertrators deliberately and methodically carry it out. I think it is scary you are using the word genocide.

It would really depend on your (personal or game) outlook on the Geth.  Are they simply machines?  Then yes, Genocide is not the right word.  But for many of the vocal people here (myself included), the Geth are Sentient and thus Genocide applies to the Destroy ending.  The destruction of the Geth is deliberate; you willingly chose the option not matter that it is the "Greater Good" (i.e. Millions to save Trillions)

Is it perhaps just a larger "collateral damage"? Perhaps to some.  I can't think of it that way.  "Planned Extinction?"  Again, the word feels lacking for what you wind up doing to the Geth.

[Rxdiaz]

Femlob wrote...

People still unsatisfied with the new endings...why ?

Starbrat.

Agreed. There is no possible logical explanation for his existence, as I've mentioned in other threads. Plus I think he really throws the entire story of the series out of whack.

But this ending is FAR superior to the original utter cr@p ending. BioWare should be ashamed of the original ending.

This ending is acceptable....

[Geneaux486]

JamesT91 wrote...
the fact of the matter is this game is not for bioware or RPG fans but is suitable for shooter fans who want what they always get- a game with a lot of noise and action but no substance

That's an opinion, which is actually the opposite of a fact.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Malanek999 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Their artistic integrity leaves many fans of Mass Effect with the impression that the moral of the game is "genocide is sometimes justified."

Am I the only one who thinks that's bad?

If anything I felt they pushed hard against this by trying to promote synthesis. But destroy is fine with me. I don't consider it genocide, which is really a human orientated term anyway. I can understand it being expanded to other races in the galactic community that is the ME3 world but I can't really accept expanding it to machines, especially those that were recently trying to kill us.

And now, we have people denying the personhood of their victims, and claiming that they have committed no crime by killing them. Man, I should make a bingo card. This is seriously the freakiest thing I've seen in a long time. I'm beginning to wonder if this is some kind of human psycholology experiment.

I'm somewhat offended. Are you seriously likening victims in Rwanda, Cambodia and **** europe, who were singled out and killed because of their racial genes or politcial beliefs, to sacrificing a bunch of machines to save trillions of sentient life forms? Genocide is an extremely terrible crime where the perpertrators deliberately and methodically carry it out. I think it is scary you are using the word genocide.

I think it's scary that a work of fiction would cause so many hundreds of people to think that eradicating an entire sentient race was "not a big deal" and "not genocide."

There are options where you don't have to eradicate an entire sentient race. You make the choice to do so. This is considered by many to be the "good" ending. I find a work of fiction that asks its participants to equivocate in this way is really, really questionable.

Just because something occurs fictionally doesn't mean it has no relationship to real world terms. If I read a mystery where one person kills another person, it's called a "Murder mystery." If I read a comic book where humans are trying to kill all mutants, I'd say it was a story about genocide. If I play a game where a person decides to kill all members of a minority, I'd say that's a metaphor for genocide too.

[panamakira]

JamesT91 wrote...

You are free to continue disliking it but fact is a lot of the ones who said they disliked it prior are now saying they are either satisfied or happy with it for the very reasons I stated. You will achieve nothing bickering with me about what they said as they said it not me and they said it on masse all day through forums from very large amount of people. I just told you what I have seen today, take it or leave it that is what has happened.

thats good for them - really, i wish it didnt fall so drastically in the final chapter. im not gonna argue because theres no point the fact of the matter is this game is not for bioware or RPG fans but is suitable for shooter fans who want what they always get- a game with a lot of noise and action but no substance

lol you must be drunk dude. Mass Effect is the only FPS I play. I got no more serious beef with the ending I got. Stop generalizing. You sound hurt.

[spacehamsterZH]

Honestly, folks, is anyone REALLY surprised? If anything, I'm still waiting for the real big sh*tstorm to break loose, maybe it's just still a few hours too early.

What's funny is that the EC does pretty much exactly what they said it would do. We knew the ending wasn't going to get changed, so obviously it's ridiculous to act all surprised now, but that's the BSN for you. U PERMUST ME PNIK UNCIRONS ZOMG!!!

[Biotic_Warlock]

Some people *have* to complain.
Unfortunatly.

[Meohfumado]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Meohfumado wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Most of the complaints I have seen today and I have been reading a lot of threads, is coming from people who wanted Shepard tol live happy ever after or the most fanatical of the IDT theorists. Some people don't like the fact they couldn't win by using just conventional means or convince a computer AI that it is wrong with mere arguing which is silly to begin with but more often than not its the IDT theorists and blue babies kind that have been complaining the most.

Considering how illogical the computer AI is, it shouldn't have been hard to prove his logic as fallacious.

Starchild: "Biologicals and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist."

Shepherd: "Umm...just five minutes ago I hammered out a mutually beneficial peace accord between biologicals and synthetics."

Starchild: "B..b.b..b..but biologicals and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist.  Its impossible."

Shepherd: "But I just did it!  I just spent hours doing just that.  Not only is it not impossible, its just happened!  Here, come to the Quarian homeworld, I can show you Geth and Quarian working together for mutual benefit.  Peace has been achieved, it clearly is possible because it just happened."

How often do you argue with your computer and achieve positive results? Arguing with it was not going to change anything both because this is the story Bioware wanted to create even though they gave you a choice to say no to it with a consequence for doing such and secondly it would need to probably be reprogrammed not bickered with.

So this supposedly multi-millenea old A.I. is incapable of acknowledging easily established facts?  It is incapable of simple logical progression of ideas?

No wonder the universe is screwed....they got a retard A.I. running things. 

Starchild: /plugs-ears-with-fingers "lalalalalalalal....I can't hear you.  Synthetics and biologicals cannot peacefully coexist."

[astheoceansblue]

Kick In The Door wrote...
Bioware gives you multiple expansions at zero additional costs to you

EC is the only one that's free.

From Ashes was paid.
All the others are MP only that are supported by a microtransaction system.
The microtransaction system being the reason the RNG store (opne of the worst gamer designs in history) is part of the MP experience.

Bioware have made some truely horrible decisions regarding he development of this game regardless of the quality of the ending. 

[Nerevar-as]

corporal doody wrote...

Retakers!


they wanted a Disney Style ending with rainbow crapping unicorns

And what do you think synthesis is? The hero sacrifices and suddenly all the galaxy is at peace and prosperity and future inmortality (I guess they´ll stop having children or they´ll get the krogan uprising for every race...).

I´ll just stay away from anything Hudson & Walters have a hand in.

[Reorte]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Honestly, folks, is anyone REALLY surprised? If anything, I'm still waiting for the real big sh*tstorm to break loose, maybe it's just still a few hours too early.

What's funny is that the EC does pretty much exactly what they said it would do. We knew the ending wasn't going to get changed, so obviously it's ridiculous to act all surprised now, but that's the BSN for you. U PERMUST ME PNIK UNCIRONS ZOMG!!!

Who's acting surprised? I've seen people hoping for better but no-one actually expecting the problems to be fixed.

[Thornne]

The endings are better executed now, but they're still the same endings they were before. Which is about what I was expecting and basically what Bioware promised, so no big surprise. Still disappointing, IMO. But that's that -- END OF THE LINE, as they say around here.