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[Subject M]

Grifman1 wrote...

Subject M wrote...

Isnt the act of knowingly doing something that will wipe out every life form of a certain kind just to get to an extremely hostile enemy and supspeices an act of genocide?

Would it not be like genocide to, during the WW2,  push a button that would kill all enemies in Japan but simultaneously wipe out all Asians? Or at least all Japanese and Koreans? Even if the intention was just to destroy the Japanese war-effort ?

The world isn't perfect, you don't always get perfect solutions.  If this were the only way to win, then yeah, you do it for the greater good of the galaxy.  If it's either one species (the Geth) vs. losing the entire galaxy, yeah, I'll sacrifice the Geth as sad as that would make me.  Do I wish the game gave me another choice, sure, but it didn't and you have to go with the cards you have, not the ones you wish you had.

"only one way to win?"

For my Shepard, the goal was to stop the Reapers. And true enough, as it seemed they where no way to reason
with them, and they just went droning on with "nooooo! you can not understand puny mortal, you must be harvested, you are chaos, the battle of Rannoch disproves there can be no peace bwteen organics and
synthetics!" . But then the catalyst explained why and offered new solutions (as it basically said that the old solution was outdated).

Now, what the catalyst said sounded like hogwash to me (but know that I have not yet heard or analyzed all the new catalyst dialoge) but if it was speaking the truth, at least as far as it knew it, there was an even
greater threat hiding beneeth the more acute Reaper threat.
The choices given by the catalyst was disapointing to say the least, ( Iwould have been very satisfied with proving to that brat that we as an united galaxy had broken the cycle of organic-synthetic wars, or at least had a good chance to do it, especially thanks to the reapers being such a good common enemy to unite against) but there was  definatly more then one way to "win" (survive). I wanted all my allies to "win" so it was impossible to pick destroy. The Reapers did not win, at least in the sense that they did indeed found out that their game they had been playing for so long had finaly come to an end, one way or another (unless you pick the reject option without nothing to back it up with- courtesy of the devs, of course).

Modifié par Subject M, 27 juin 2012 - 12:20 .

[Blarty]

nwntask wrote...

as for the fourth choice,am iI the only one that finds it insulting?it's like they are teliing us "here is the choice you made such fuzz about!" and then punished us with its outcome and loughed at our face..

Actually, no, not in the slightest. Throughout the entirety of ME3 you know and are often told that you can't fight the Reapers conventionally..... Any other unfolding of events after refusal to use the one device that could end the war, irrespective of cost,would have been more laughable and more out of context than the original endings.

What did you want? A 'three years after fighting the reapers we suddenly discovered they had a real aversion to Lemons' ending?

[Lookout1390]

Star. Child.

That little **** is still there.

No matter how many cutscenes you throw in the end, he will never fit into the storyline.

[zambot]

Blarty wrote...

nwntask wrote...

as for the fourth choice,am iI the only one that finds it insulting?it's like they are teliing us "here is the choice you made such fuzz about!" and then punished us with its outcome and loughed at our face..

Actually, no, not in the slightest. Throughout the entirety of ME3 you know and are often told that you can't fight the Reapers conventionally..... Any other unfolding of events after refusal to use the one device that could end the war, irrespective of cost,would have been more laughable and more out of context than the original endings.

What did you want? A 'three years after fighting the reapers we suddenly discovered they had a real aversion to Lemons' ending?

I would have preferred the "They are allergic to water and were all destroyed by a virus uploaded through an iMac" ending.

[nwntask]

mcguireptr1 wrote...

I may be overly harsh on the ending. The reason is because bioware did so much right with 3 games of the series, hundreds of hours of near perfection, and all of it was undermined by the last ten minutes. How could they do that get hundreds of hours perfect and take it all back in less than ten minutes. I think why myself, and possible many other, are so upset about this fact because we are so invested. other games by bethesba, ubisoft, microsoft, etc. don't get me this upset but i think that is because i don't get into their games as much. those usually have way more errors or plot holes, but those go ignored, but bioware when they mess up it is so in your face you can't ignore.
In the end though, I forgave bioware for DA2, I forgave SWTOR, and I gave them one more shot with This EC. But I know see they have lost their touch and their concept of art, artistric integrity be damned with these clowns, and fail to make games for their fans but instead get your hopes up with fixes that are not fixes. I will not be buying the next bioware game unless by some miracle they redeme themselves and I find out that they come out with something that is equavalent to DA" Origins( which i think is the best game ever).

it's like having the best sex of your life all night long,and just before the big finale, the person you're with throws up on you!!!!!!!!                                                                                   

[Crusina]

People are never happy, and BSN is just one of the best examples of what appears to be the largest body of unhappy people in the world.

[squee365]

Crusina wrote...

People are never happy, and BSN is just one of the best examples of what appears to be the largest body of unhappy people in the world.

Actually that would be YouTube. They're on fire with these endings, If I didn't come here I wouldve thought the EC was a massive failure. I loved it. 

[Crusina]

Well, BSN in general, and Youtube always. I mean, come on, have you not been here the past few months?

Well, actually I left a few months ago because I got so sick of the whining and crying. But I know its been the same up until today.

And its unfortunate, the link in my sig goes towards a great discussion of the endings. To bad I can't link them all to it. Well, actually, let them suffer, they made me suffer for months with nonstop crying every single second.

[Jarcander]

Crusina wrote...

People are never happy, and BSN is just one of the best examples of what appears to be the largest body of unhappy people in the world.

And that's why syntesis is the only option that brings lasting peace. I like to imagine Reapers giving electric jolts to those who don't behave. Truly they would have to assign several Reapers to control these forums. Zap zap. Probably not how BW visioned it, but that's how I see it going down.

[legion999]

Because they don't like them?

Personally the EC made Control my canon choice but has still left me head canoning most of what happened. Also what's up with making stupid parts of the ending dumber?

[Reorte]

Blarty wrote...

nwntask wrote...

as for the fourth choice,am iI the only one that finds it insulting?it's like they are teliing us "here is the choice you made such fuzz about!" and then punished us with its outcome and loughed at our face..

Actually, no, not in the slightest. Throughout the entirety of ME3 you know and are often told that you can't fight the Reapers conventionally..... Any other unfolding of events after refusal to use the one device that could end the war, irrespective of cost,would have been more laughable and more out of context than the original endings.

What did you want? A 'three years after fighting the reapers we suddenly discovered they had a real aversion to Lemons' ending?

Agreed. Defeating the Reapers conventionally was never a realistic possibility. The alternative should've been handled much better than what it was but the one thing the EC got exactly right was the consequence of refusing to consider anything other than a straightforward fight. I actually thought that it was handled very well, it only seems insulting because the alternative was and remains very, very badly thought out.

[legion999]

Crusina wrote...
Well, actually, let them suffer, they made me suffer for months with nonstop crying every single second.

How?

[Reorte]

Crusina wrote...

People are never happy, and BSN is just one of the best examples of what appears to be the largest body of unhappy people in the world.

That's often what happens when you get people who can see through the shine and think about what's going on beneath.

[Strider Ryoken]

I consider the EC endings to have been upgraded from bad to mediocre at best (Control is the only ending i feel morally comfortable with); the Catalyst's "Deus Ex Machina" reveal and the blatant lack of choice and disrespect over player choice to favor writer's personal views (could Synthesis being the writer's pet be any more obvious?) , plus the final d*ck move that is the reject ending made me dissapointed on how the last stretch of ME3 completely misses the themes established by the trilogy's other two games.
Im so bitter, i went ahead and cancelled my subscription to The Old Republic; a petty thing to do, but since i already was barely playing it, i guess now i was given a good reason to pull the plug.
My last bitter comment? I have no doubt that Deus Ex: Human Revolution stole ME3's thuinder when it comes to the type of ending they both share; shame only one of these two games succeeded in doing so.
To those that enjoyed the endings and felt they reflected their choices and personal beliefs...Im glad for you, and perhaps a bit envious.
That's it; im finished.

[trembli0s]

Still also don't buy that the conflict between organics and synthetics was the "theme" for the entire trilogy until the last 40 minutes of the game.

Would have been better off leaving the Reapers as being Cthulu like entities that needed no explanation. Instead, I reconcile the Geth and am then forced to kill them. The destroy ending is still the best in my books but that means I'm condoning genocide?

The endings are now internally consistent but not thematically consistent across the trilogy.

[Tocquevillain]

Reorte wrote...

Crusina wrote...

People are never happy, and BSN is just one of the best examples of what appears to be the largest body of unhappy people in the world.

That's often what happens when you get people who can see through the shine and think about what's going on beneath.

Actually no, being sad and unhappy about the state of things is the easy part, so don't go congratulating yourself for seeing things "for what they are".

What's hard and by extension, worthwhile, is looking past the unhappiness and being happy.

Modifié par Tocquevillain, 27 juin 2012 - 12:29 .

[Tocquevillain]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...


My point isn't that people are killing the geth to be jerks, my point is that the game is forcing you to do something awful and then leading you to minimize it... and I think that's a poor thing for fiction to do.

That would be true, if the game had prepped you with the knowledge the geth would die at the beginning of the game. It didn't. Instead, you only learn about the consequences of all the options at the very end.

[nwntask]

choice 1 Control: play God
choice 2 Synthesis: decide on behalf of every living soul to transform them(kind like playing God)
choice 3 Destroy: destroy every AI,for whose rights you've been standing for all along
Which of the above even remotely agrees with a paragon path someone has followed throughout the entire series?

[xxskyshadowxx]

Mria wrote...

With the new endings imo...

 

There aren't any new endings. 

It is the same ending that was ripped off from another game...that in no way fit with Mass Effect (hence the plotholes needed to insert it) only longer.

So instead of:

The green curtains ruffled in the breeze.

The blue curtains ruffled in the breeze.

The red curtains ruffed in the breeze.

It is now:

The green curtains ruffled in the breeze on a warm spring day.

The blue curtains ruffled in the breeze on a warm spring day.

The red curtains ruffled in the breeze on a warm spring day.


The content was not changed at all. The underlying issues that made the ending a problem remain. It's all just curtains for BioWare.

That being said, I think that despite the complaints, there are still a number of people who initially were unhappy with the ending, who now while still unhappy with it, can still find it a bit more palapable because they now know it was spring, and it was a warm day when Shepard became Space Hitler.

Modifié par xxskyshadowxx, 27 juin 2012 - 12:39 .

[Doublecross]

I am sorry but you just said yourself "I know there are still some plot holes" I have to stop you right there. No, you cannot have just some plot holes. When you write the third part in a trilogy there should be no plotholes. I could not have cared less if i dont know what happend to my crazy ****ing fan what ever his name is. But essential story plot holes that are being created in the LAST part of the game, at the end. Not even that but introducing new story elements that are not fully explained, no sir. A good story ' = Intro; Rising Action; Climax ; Resolution. All of that does not matter if resolution fails. Besides ME 1 makes no sense. It is not OK to have Plot holes

[themanynamed]

That the extended ending dlc improved the last few minutes of the game is undeniable.  The problem is that it wasn't enough.  There are still massive plot holes and inconsistencies that should have been addressed.  Most of those problems are well documented in the New Plot Holes thread.  What that thread didn't really expand on was the horrible RGB sameness of the endings that still remains. 

I can give Bioware points for trying but the truth is that the endings are all fairly similar.  Life in the galaxy is remarkably unchanged regardless of whether they have a new Shepard-Shaped Overlord, become cyborgs or half their tech disintergrates.  Given how extreme these changes are, the epilogues need to reflect that.  Leaving the player wondering whether Shepard's choice was good or bad, despite the generic 'hope for the future' stuff was great.  Unfortunately, the conflict in that moral ambiguity was rendered irrelivant because nothing suggested the decision mattered.  The player even sees the same art/clips.

After watching the various endings, I still say that ME3 would have had perfect ending if it had ended watching the battle with Anderson.  The player could then imagine the rest.  Maybe the player's Shepard survived.  Maybe Shepard died knowing the Catalist worked.  Or maybe it was a failure.  It was ambiguous enough to keep people happy imagining whatever they wanted but also gave enough closure to feel the series had ended well.

Will I play the game again?  Probably not.

MN.

[Codename_Code]

Ill give you a good example, in the disc, Shepards runs to the beam non-stop, in the DLc shepards stops and turns and talk, this is called a RETCON, this means they dont know what the hell they are writing and why. take this example and multiply it for 100. And no, I dont care if the baby krogan is cute.

I dont know who was in charge to write the endings or the dlc, But they guy who wrote the genopahge/ mordin scene should slap him in the face in the name of art.

Modifié par Codename_Code, 27 juin 2012 - 12:52 .

[kairiesaysrawr]

Mria wrote...

With the new endings imo...

i thought them amazing and well made this time, no dramatic bull**** and way more explanatory now !

i know there are still some plot holes but i felt they realy did a good overall, dam i felt realy good about it...like a victory !

idk if the community will feel that is the winning of the war or just another battle but imo that was the best victory evryone could achive here...being IT supports or Retake ones evryone contributed to the cause in some way and i felt bioware did just that with those endings...hell...even the refusal ending seemed decent enough !

Now  what u guys feel its still missing ? i know some stuff can be added in other DLCs later but there are some that they should have added in the end (Racchni being one of the most important).

lets hear it folks.

Note: If the IT or Retake felt that as the final victory i would congratulate both for the hard work and effort they`ve put to make their opinions and ideas be heard and, hopefully, a well recived ending (if most of the forums felt that way) that we just got now.

Note: Frogot to congratulate the most important people in all this...the community itself.
Congratulations for those who felt that as a victory !

I am also wondering why people are still upset as well. In my opinion I believed they covered up "most" the plot holes and gave explainations here and there. I never really hated the original endings I was just confused by it.
Who else was happy with the LI scenes. I know I was!

Oh yeah...
one thing i didn't like about Extended Cut was that they didn't elaborate on the Shepard breathing scene. Maybe there's some reason they ignored that part.Just gonna keep my fingers crossed and hope  for the best. Atleast, Bioware might start working on Single Player DLC.

[Lookout1390]

They couldn't even make animated videos for the species around the galaxy.

Just still pictures with bright colors and of something positive.

ffs, everytime, bioware can find a way to lower the bar some more.

[Kamuchi]

A turd is a turd no matter how much you polish it, star brat

The only fun, if you can call it that, was shooting it a couple of times
Ah crap, we`re screwed...

Load the end "mission" thinking to skip it to see the others, but oh no, still not allowed to skip the boring mandatory bla bla bla
20 minutes after the loading my eyes start to water spontaniously, is this is? yep, this is it!

Nope, this was it, there are other game developers that could really use some money and that will get mine instead

EC? Extended Crap

Modifié par Kamuchi, 27 juin 2012 - 12:56 .