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[praudmur]

shepdog77 wrote...

praudmur wrote...

I won't buy this DLC from Bioware because of the endings. And I Hope a lot of people do the same.

So what you're say is "I'm butthurt, so I want everyone else to be butthurt too!"

no, just want players who are dissapointed in Bioware not to buy other DLCs that`s all.

[TODD9999]

An excellent find, thanks for sharing!

That said, it sounds vaguely interesting, but not enough to get me to give BioWare more of my money. After all, once you finish the sidequest, the ending is still the same. You just get a few more War Assets, of which I have more than enough.

EDIT:  Of course additional information could be released that changes this view of the DLC, in which case I would certainly be willing to revisit my opinion.  But based upon the information available, this is my interpretation.

Modifié par TODD9999, 27 juin 2012 - 09:46 .

[Commander Castillo]

Hopefully Bioware will make an announcement at SDCC. I'm most likely not going to play Mass Effect 3 till this or any new dlc is released. The EC really disappointed me and the infiltrator class was destroyed in multiplayer

[nupfi]

Without getting to spoilery: do you think the DLC is going to have an impact on one of the endings? Maybe an expanded Refusal Option...

[Jonathan Sud]

Marking July 12th - 15th as very exciting days.

[praudmur]

in text they say something about "this might help us fight the reapers". So if DLC affects the refusal ending that would be interesting. But not worth buying though. I'll watch it on youtube.

[iHorizons]

Cool

[nupfi]

I would love to have the expanded refusal ending: you just refuse and win conventionally using the reaper - unlocking the best possible ending.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

praudmur wrote...

in text they say something about "this might help us fight the reapers". So if DLC affects the refusal ending that would be interesting. But not worth buying though. I'll watch it on youtube.

Yes, only if it affected the refusal ending would I be interested.

[ULT1M4T3xPL]

Alright.. maybe this isn't the Leviathan of Dis. Sorry for misleading you guys:bandit:

But it would be pretty silly to have 2 Reapers with the same name and LoD always felt 'DLC-worthy'.

Anyway, edited the title a little.

I'll check out the audio files to see if there is something about it in the Catalyst conversation. (All audio files are ending-related I think)

[Dezerte]

praudmur wrote...

in text they say something about "this might help us fight the reapers". So if DLC affects the refusal ending that would be interesting. But not worth buying though. I'll watch it on youtube.

Doubtful.

At worst it'll add it as an military asset, just a number. At best we'll see it in action, but not affect the ending in any way.

[Sir Fluffykins]

This reminds me what someone posted 2 months ago, about Shepard being indoctrinated and flying around on his own Reaper :<

But reading the text file, it sounds like it takes place before the ending

Modifié par Sir Fluffykins, 27 juin 2012 - 09:58 .

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

From what I'm reading in the file, it seems that Leviathan is both a character, a ship, AND a species. Which fits with what we know of the Reapers.

The Leviathan seems to be the original species that constructed the Catalyst. The Catalyst, in turn, transformed them into the first actual Reaper. So, Leviathan is the accrued, accumulated sentience of the species that created the Catalyst. As such, it is both the oldest, but also the most imperfect Reaper, and therefore the most likely to go AWOL. Especially since it is explicitly mentioned that being harvested was against the wishes of the species (which might have been intended as a link to the DLC).

As some of you may know, Leviathan is a novel by social philosopher Thomas Hobbes, in which he describes how society functions as a whole, with many parts, and each part in turn allows one person, say, a king, to sit on top to govern all. Individual rights are sacrificed in order to maintain a peaceful society. The King sits on top, by virtue of being given dominance over the people, BY the people.

This isn't the same as what the Reapers are, or do, but for a laymen, it's close enough. Linking this concept with Cthulhu, a dominating power so forceful, it takes over the mind by simply existing, would lead to a very interesting storyline. Since it deals with the original creators of the Catalyst, one already mentioned in the Extended Cut expanded dialogue, I can see how it might be of influence.

Now, I am curious: Suppose Bioware releases more DLC, say, 3 DLC, and all these 3 DLC gives Shepard new information, all of which cumulate into a fifth ending, one where you can reason with the Catalyst, and actually convince him. Would you buy them?

[Bfler]

A Reaper traitor would nullify the Control ending, because it would show that you can't control them and there is a permanent danger if they are alive.

[Firmijn]

Bioware PLEASE combine this with a Batarian squadmate!!

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Sion1138 wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

From what I'm reading in the file, it seems that Leviathan is both a character, a ship, AND a species. Which fits with what we know of the Reapers.

The Leviathan seems to be the original species that constructed the Catalyst. The Catalyst, in turn, transformed them into the first actual Reaper. So, Leviathan is the accrued, accumulated sentience of the species that created the Catalyst. As such, it is both the oldest, but also the most imperfect Reaper, and therefore the most likely to go AWOL. Especially since it is explicitly mentioned that being harvested was against the wishes of the species (which might have been intended as a link to the DLC).

As some of you may know, Leviathan is a novel by social philosopher Thomas Hobbes, in which he describes how society functions as a whole, with many parts, and each part in turn allows one person, say, a king, to sit on top to govern all. Individual rights are sacrificed in order to maintain a peaceful society. The King sits on top, by virtue of being given dominance over the people, BY the people.

This isn't the same as what the Reapers are, or do, but for a laymen, it's close enough. Linking this concept with Cthulhu, a dominating power so forceful, it takes over the mind by simply existing, would lead to a very interesting storyline. Since it deals with the original creators of the Catalyst, one already mentioned in the Extended Cut expanded dialogue, I can see how it might be of influence.

Now, I am curious: Suppose Bioware releases more DLC, say, 3 DLC, and all these 3 DLC gives Shepard new information, all of which cumulate into a fifth ending, one where you can reason with the Catalyst, and actually convince him. Would you buy them?

Sure, that's actually what I said about ME3 DLC as well. I would only be interested if every new accomplishment had some kind of influence on the conclusion.

I would be interested to see your opinion on this topic, then: http://social.biowar.../index/12799212 

[Arcataye]

BoomDynamite wrote...

Here's some data from it. Possible spoilers BTW, so read at your own risk. Oh, and I had to take out a lot of data that had nothing to do with outright dialogue. PM me for it if you want. It's kinda' long.


        <data>What is it with you and rescuing scientists from dig sites that have been overrun by hostile forces?</data>
*snip*
        <data>If you decide to help her take down the Shadow Broker, I'm going to be jealous. And somewhat concerned.</data>
*snip*
        <data>Not that I'm complaining, mind you.</data>
*snip*
        <data>I'm glad you made it back... and I'd appreciate it if you avoided talking to Leviathan any further.</data>
*snip*
        <data>I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me.</data>
*snip*
        <data>I can only imagine talking to something so huge, so... alien. I hope it helps against the Reapers.</data>
*snip*

"I hope it helps against the Reapers."
Me too, as in doing something more than adding +250 war asset points.

Modifié par Arcataye, 27 juin 2012 - 10:51 .

[ULT1M4T3xPL]

mrfahrenheit94 wrote...

 This was in another file right next to the one that the OP posted in the DLC folder. It's the conversation on the top of the Citadel. Could this be relevant? Or did I just not click on this conversation option during the ending scene?http://pastebin.com/R52YGPek 
The original file is DLC_CON_END_TEST.tkl
I don't remember having this conversation option with the space child
Look at line 838

• <data>The Leviathan's created you, didn't they?</data> that's Shepard talking to space child.
• 963. <data>Tell me what you know about the Leviathans.</data> again shepard
• 978. <data>But you turned on the Leviathans. You harvested them.</data>

then this one is interesting

• 983 <data>Who is OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER?</data>

[/list][/list]and then there's this one line 1693., not sure what to make of it

• <data>Leviathan</data>

I don't remember hearing that when I talked with space child. Could those be conversation choices if you completed this tbd DLC?

Not sure if this has been discussed, but:

<data>The first Reaper. In this cycle, amongst your kind, it is known as Harbinger.</data>

It's in the same file, and I don't remember Starkid saying that.

[brain_damage]

MY MONEY, BIOWARE, I WILL GIVE YOU THEM

[Quilate]

Yup.

[Krunjar]

I whole heartedly approve of this.

[SirLugash]

ULT1M4T3xPL wrote...

mrfahrenheit94 wrote...

 This was in another file right next to the one that the OP posted in the DLC folder. It's the conversation on the top of the Citadel. Could this be relevant? Or did I just not click on this conversation option during the ending scene?http://pastebin.com/R52YGPek 
The original file is DLC_CON_END_TEST.tkl
I don't remember having this conversation option with the space child
Look at line 838

• <data>The Leviathan's created you, didn't they?</data> that's Shepard talking to space child.
• 963. <data>Tell me what you know about the Leviathans.</data> again shepard
• 978. <data>But you turned on the Leviathans. You harvested them.</data>

then this one is interesting

• 983 <data>Who is OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER?</data>

[/list][/list]and then there's this one line 1693., not sure what to make of it

• <data>Leviathan</data>

I don't remember hearing that when I talked with space child. Could those be conversation choices if you completed this tbd DLC?

Not sure if this has been discussed, but:

<data>The first Reaper. In this cycle, amongst your kind, it is known as Harbinger.</data>

It's in the same file, and I don't remember Starkid saying that.

I know the Starchild said that the civilization that created him was put into the first Reaper, but I can't remember calling it Harbinger.
Maybe with low EMS ?
Or other circumstances ?
If it wasn't said though, that would be a great indication that this DLC would affect the ending in course of adding dialog in it.

Modifié par SirLugash, 27 juin 2012 - 11:28 .

[Humakt83]

<string>
<id>758067</id>
<position>257</position>
<data>I have studied your human religions, Commander--your "Devil" and his fall. Leviathan and its kind deserve the same fate.</data>
</string>
<string>
<id>758068</id>
<position>258</position>
<data>They once unleashed a plague that has haunted all of our history to this day.</data>
</string>
<string>
<id>758069</id>
<position>259</position>
<data>I say their own hell is the abyss you found them in... one I hope they never escape from.

[Edrahil17]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

From what I'm reading in the file, it seems that Leviathan is both a character, a ship, AND a species. Which fits with what we know of the Reapers.

The Leviathan seems to be the original species that constructed the Catalyst. The Catalyst, in turn, transformed them into the first actual Reaper. So, Leviathan is the accrued, accumulated sentience of the species that created the Catalyst. As such, it is both the oldest, but also the most imperfect Reaper, and therefore the most likely to go AWOL. Especially since it is explicitly mentioned that being harvested was against the wishes of the species (which might have been intended as a link to the DLC).

As some of you may know, Leviathan is a novel by social philosopher Thomas Hobbes, in which he describes how society functions as a whole, with many parts, and each part in turn allows one person, say, a king, to sit on top to govern all. Individual rights are sacrificed in order to maintain a peaceful society. The King sits on top, by virtue of being given dominance over the people, BY the people.

This isn't the same as what the Reapers are, or do, but for a laymen, it's close enough. Linking this concept with Cthulhu, a dominating power so forceful, it takes over the mind by simply existing, would lead to a very interesting storyline. Since it deals with the original creators of the Catalyst, one already mentioned in the Extended Cut expanded dialogue, I can see how it might be of influence.

Now, I am curious: Suppose Bioware releases more DLC, say, 3 DLC, and all these 3 DLC gives Shepard new information, all of which cumulate into a fifth ending, one where you can reason with the Catalyst, and actually convince him. Would you buy them?

Nope. To me it seems like a pay-to-win, but in a SP.

Also, I spent 70 euro buying this game (around 90 dollars) and I'd expect things like this to be included
in the game already.
It also makes the dlcless game look like an empty shell.