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Leviathan (of Dis?) DLC - Leaked dialogue in EC files [SPOILERS]


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priestess of blood wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Bfler wrote...

A Reaper traitor would nullify the Control ending, because it would show that you can't control them and there is a permanent danger if they are alive.

I'm inches away from the door and I just can't seem to take that final step to walking away.

Ahh I really hope this adds a different ending or maybe add to the current Reject ending. Ahhh goddammit Bioware stop toying with us *flips table*


Just when I thought I was out, They pull me back In!


LOL why do I see Steve Van Zandt impersenation from The Sopranos when you say that?

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[quote]Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

From what I'm reading in the file, it seems that Leviathan is both a character, a ship, AND a species. Which fits with what we know of the Reapers.

The Leviathan seems to be the original species that constructed the Catalyst. The Catalyst, in turn, transformed them into the first actual Reaper. So, Leviathan is the accrued, accumulated sentience of the species that created the Catalyst. As such, it is both the oldest, but also the most imperfect Reaper, and therefore the most likely to go AWOL. Especially since it is explicitly mentioned that being harvested was against the wishes of the species (which might have been intended as a link to the DLC).

As some of you may know, Leviathan is a novel by social philosopher Thomas Hobbes, in which he describes how society functions as a whole, with many parts, and each part in turn allows one person, say, a king, to sit on top to govern all. Individual rights are sacrificed in order to maintain a peaceful society. The King sits on top, by virtue of being given dominance over the people, BY the people.

This isn't the same as what the Reapers are, or do, but for a laymen, it's close enough. Linking this concept with Cthulhu, a dominating power so forceful, it takes over the mind by simply existing, would lead to a very interesting storyline. Since it deals with the original creators of the Catalyst, one already mentioned in the Extended Cut expanded dialogue, I can see how it might be of influence.

Now, I am curious: Suppose Bioware releases more DLC, say, 3 DLC, and all these 3 DLC gives Shepard new information, all of which cumulate into a fifth ending, one where you can reason with the Catalyst, and actually convince him. Would you buy them?[/quote]

Holy cow, yes I would! That is if my Shepard stays alive and reunites :-)

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Allasae wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

From
what I'm reading in the file, it seems that Leviathan is both a
character, a ship, AND a species. Which fits with what we know of the
Reapers.

The Leviathan seems to be the original species that
constructed the Catalyst. The Catalyst, in turn, transformed them into
the first actual Reaper. So, Leviathan is the accrued, accumulated
sentience of the species that created the Catalyst. As such, it is both
the oldest, but also the most imperfect Reaper, and therefore the most
likely to go AWOL. Especially since it is explicitly mentioned that
being harvested was against the wishes of the species (which might have
been intended as a link to the DLC).

As some of you may know,
Leviathan is a novel by social philosopher Thomas Hobbes, in which he
describes how society functions as a whole, with many parts, and each
part in turn allows one person, say, a king, to sit on top to govern
all. Individual rights are sacrificed in order to maintain a peaceful
society. The King sits on top, by virtue of being given dominance over
the people, BY the people.

This isn't the same as what the
Reapers are, or do, but for a laymen, it's close enough. Linking this
concept with Cthulhu, a dominating power so forceful, it takes over the
mind by simply existing, would lead to a very interesting storyline.
Since it deals with the original creators of the Catalyst, one already
mentioned in the Extended Cut expanded dialogue, I can see how it might
be of influence.

Now, I am curious: Suppose Bioware releases
more DLC, say, 3 DLC, and all these 3 DLC gives Shepard new information,
all of which cumulate into a fifth ending, one where you can reason
with the Catalyst, and actually convince him. Would you buy them?


Holy cow, yes I would! That is if my Shepard stays alive and reunites :-)

FIXED!!!:lol:

Modifié par iwillkillfortali, 27 juin 2012 - 01:10 .


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priestess of blood

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WolfyZA wrote...

priestess of blood wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Bfler wrote...

A Reaper traitor would nullify the Control ending, because it would show that you can't control them and there is a permanent danger if they are alive.

I'm inches away from the door and I just can't seem to take that final step to walking away.

Ahh I really hope this adds a different ending or maybe add to the current Reject ending. Ahhh goddammit Bioware stop toying with us *flips table*


Just when I thought I was out, They pull me back In!


LOL why do I see Steve Van Zandt impersenation from The Sopranos when you say that?


Because that is exactly what I heard too, after I read Wicked's post, and couldn't help myself =p

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Well this would be interesting DLC, BUT Starbrat told himself that he controls all the reapers so how could one get away?



"The created will always rebel against their creators" /trolololol

True. If this becomes DLC it'll be interesting to see what comes of it.

It seems the Catalyst is desperately trying to keep order in an unwinnable situation.

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Blacklash93 wrote...

Kanon777 wrote...

Joukahainen wrote...

Well this would be interesting DLC, BUT Starbrat told himself that he controls all the reapers so how could one get away?



"The created will always rebel against their creators" /trolololol

True. If this becomes DLC it'll be interesting to see what comes of it.

It seems the Catalyst is desperately trying to keep order in an unwinnable situation.


Good point, this if true would prove that the Catalyst isn't as infallible as it would want you to believe, that your only option is death or a choice along one of IT's preset paths to the future.

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Leviathans were a civilisation that created the first reaper: Harbinger.

The Leviathans used a different name for Harbinger, thats why Shepard's asking the old tongue name of harbinger. They just called him Leviathan, he was the legacy of the Leviathans. Leviathan (Harbinger) turned on the Leviathans, harvesting them in form of a new reaper.

That reaper turned on Harbinger and was hiding until the time was right to help the organics defeat the Reapers.

BOSS FIGHT WITH HARBINGER!

lol. :o

Modifié par inFam0us, 27 juin 2012 - 01:18 .


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inFam0us wrote...


That reaper turned on Harbinger and was hiding until the time was right to help the organics defeat the Reapers.

BOSS FIGHT WITH HARBINGER!


How it should of always been!,


imagine Harpy and shep(aboard Leviathan maybe) one on one. silly I know but the thought just came to me from what you wrote haha

Modifié par priestess of blood, 27 juin 2012 - 01:20 .


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inFam0us wrote...

Leviathans were a civilisation that created the first reaper: Harbinger.

The Leviathans used a different name for Harbinger, thats why Shepard's asking the old tongue name of harbinger. They just called him Leviathan, he was the legacy of the Leviathans. Leviathan (Harbinger) turned on the Leviathans, harvesting them in form of a new reaper.

That reaper turned on Harbinger and was hiding until the time was right to help the organics defeat the Reapers.

BOSS FIGHT WITH HARBINGER!

lol. :o


Possibly. It would be cool if this DLC is in response to fans wanting a conclusion to Harbinger's story and therefore they are using it's absence from the game to make a separate story arc through DLC. Maybe Harby is not on earth during the game like we thought. Now, on this issue of Harbinger = Leviathan is another story. Maybe, but it wouldn't make sense. However, if it boils down to a boss fight with Harbinger, I will be ecstatic.

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You remember the sequence, after the battle at the Thanix Missiles ?
Anderson said that several Sovereign-class Reaper including Harbinger were breaking off to earth.
Shepard asked "Harbinger ?" and had a weird look, like they had a previous encounter already.
Maybe this DLC will be it ?

Modifié par SirLugash, 27 juin 2012 - 01:28 .


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Could this possibly be an investigation of the Leviathan AFTER the destroy ending where Shepard lives?

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TLK Spires wrote...

from the little bit i read, i can already tell that this will be a bad idea. not that i give a flying flipping spinning ****, because i won't be downloading it anyway.


we dont care

Modifié par Lili_oups, 27 juin 2012 - 01:30 .


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cynicalandbored wrote...

Could this possibly be an investigation of the Leviathan AFTER the destroy ending where Shepard lives?


Not really, since one of the lines is about, how we need to find Leviathan before the Reapers do, and convince it to help in the war

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Interesting...

Also "I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me."  I'm guessing it's Liara :wub:

Modifié par Siibi, 27 juin 2012 - 01:31 .


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I created a fan-script with a rogue Reaper... wich was the first...

Am I Soothsayer ?

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Wow, nice find. I wonder if Bio had started work on this and put it on the bench so they could get to work on the EC. Michael Gamble did say there is much more to come...

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Very interestingImage IPB


I wonder if that was included intentionally or left in accidentally.

Modifié par Helios969, 27 juin 2012 - 01:32 .


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priestess of blood wrote...

cynicalandbored wrote...

Could this possibly be an investigation of the Leviathan AFTER the destroy ending where Shepard lives?


Not really, since one of the lines is about, how we need to find Leviathan before the Reapers do, and convince it to help in the war

True. I'm just a bit scared where ME4 (or whatever it's gonna be called) is going to lead after this. But yeah, finding a rogue reaper after the Reapers are no longer existent is nonsensical.

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Siibi wrote...

Interesting...

Also "I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me."  I'm guessing it's Liara :wub:


That line is totally from a romanced Liara. <3

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priestess of blood wrote...

Siibi wrote...

Interesting...

Also "I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me."  I'm guessing it's Liara :wub:


That line is totally from a romanced Liara. <3

I need to find Romanced Tali lines!!!!!!!!!!!!B)

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revo76 wrote...

Considering Harby is MIA...



Actually you see him in one of the pictures. Its when the reaper fleet is flying around the citadel. Hes the biggest one there. Plus, I kinda got the impression that they were going with best possible scenario and one reaper in what several trillion years is pretty decent loyalty when you think about it.

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I don't know what to think, either bioware is the best damn dev in the universe or the best troll.

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Watch them scrap this entirely because it got leaked.

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Jonathan Sud wrote...

Watch them scrap this entirely because it got leaked.

But how could they put this into the EC? Don't tell me it's sloppiness.

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If we can talk to Harbinger in any way, I'm happy.