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[MissMaster_2]

CoolioThane wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Bioware confirmed they are not releasing any content that will deal with the endings. The Extended Cut is final

Go awayyy People are at least being hopeful here. Do you want us to post more doom and gloom in other threads?

Excuse me? Why should I go away when all I'm doing is relaying information given by Bioware in order to stop people from expecting too much from any future DLC. 

The worst thing is receiving something you've been waiting for for so long that you had certain expectations about which turned out to be false.

Sorry for trying to stop you from feeling ten times worse later down the line. Jesus

Bioware lies we know this. EA knows people will pay for new endings, they plan on bleeding us dry. 

[Taboo]

I'd really like to know about this Leviathan.

It has no shell correct? It's a corpse.

This sounds SO cool.

[Geneaux486]

a few lines of dialogue which doesn't say anything new actually.

Except it says a lot of things new.  It explains a lot about synthesis, control, and destroy.  Elaborates on the origins of the Catalyst, the origins of the Reapers.  That's actually a fair amount of information that was not there before.  Do you not understand what the definition of "new" is?

A few short cutscenes, nothing special.

That fill in a lot of gaps, which is what we were told they'd do beforehand.

Slideshow

Your point?

Fanbois are most naive.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Shut up and give them your money.

Same to you, minus the "and give them your money" part.  If you're gonna be a condescending cynic, at least be good at it.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 27 juin 2012 - 04:59 .

[Mobius-Silent]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

BloodClaw95 wrote...

Apparently the Leviathan in this DLC is a Reaper before the Starkid made his creators...well...Reapers.

Where are you getting that info?  Doesn't seem like there were Reapers before the Catalyst made Harbinger.

Actually, what the file seems to say is, that Leviathan is the Reaper created from the very species that created the Star Child..which, in turn, turned on them and made them into reapers. The Star Child says that its creators were made into the very first Reaper. Harbinger is one of the oldest, but not the very first.

As far as plausability of a rogue Reaper: if Leviathan is made as the very first Reaper, the Star Child has an oudipal reaction towards it, so that it cannot control it. It could harvest them and turn them into a Reaper, but outright control is not something its AI psychology could do. As Control-Shepard, you have no such oudipal reaction towards Leviathan, and therefore, you can control it, where the Star Child could not.

I see.  The Codex does speculate Harbinger to be the oldest Reaper, but then it also stated that the Citadel and Mass Relays were build by the Protheans once upon a time, so we know it's fallible.  Actually I hope you're right, because that sounds like a really interesting story.  It'd be like meeting the grandpa reaper or something.  Hopefully we get to ask it a lot of questions.

Shepard:  So what was it like becoming a Reaper?  Must have hurt to be melted alive and processed a million times over like that.

Leviathan:  Well, there's an old inside joke among us Reapers, that everyone's first word is always "Ouch." followed by "Okay seriously?  I mean I get what's going on now, but still, not ****ing cool."

Actually I the information presented suggests the following progress of events:

• Find seemingly indoctrinated miners
• Investigate possible Reaper incursion
• Find our that the indoctrination is not the same as usual and people recover afterwards with no memory of their experiences
• Theorise that this is a reaper that has rebelled and is being kinda-nice
• Finally find out that it is actually the last member of the race that built the Reapers-as-synthetics and the Catalyst (Before the Catalyst turned the Reapers into goo-holding racial-museums)
• Enlist the last of the Leviathans (A huge organic being the size and shape of a Sovereign-class Reaper) as war asset
• At the End, taunt Catalyst with this info.
• Find out that Harbinger is the Leviathan-milkshake reaper

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 27 juin 2012 - 05:01 .

[o Ventus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd really like to know about this Leviathan.

It has no shell correct? It's a corpse.

This sounds SO cool.

I'm not even sure it's "dead", only defunct or inactive.

[oh.Snake]

Velocithon wrote...

Yeah I saw that. Which then makes the entire DLC pointless. I mean, if it has NO effect on the outcome of the game, why get it? Let's say you do obtain a Reaper that sides with you; if it doesn't change the ending, who cares!

Did you buy the dlc packages for Mass Effect 2? Same reason ;-)

Btw: The new endings are fine.

[Mobius-Silent]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd really like to know about this Leviathan.

It has no shell correct? It's a corpse.

This sounds SO cool.

I believe this is because it's not a Reaper but the last surviving member of the race that the Reapers are the synthetic version of. Hence no "shell"

[Geneaux486]

Mobius-Silent wrote...
Actually I the information presented suggests the following progress of events:

• Find seemly indoctrinated miners
• Investigate possible Reaper incursion
• Find our that the indoctrination is not the same as usual and people recover afterwards with no memory of their experiences
• Theorise that this is a reaper that has rebelled and is being kinda-nice
• Finally find out that it is actually the last member of the race that built the Reapers-as-synthetics and the Catalyst (Before the Catalyst turned the Reapers into goo-holding racial-museums)
• Enlist the last of the Leviathans (A huge organic being the size and shape of a Sovereign-class Reaper) as war asset
• At the End, taunt Catalyst with this info.
• Find out that Harbinger is the Leviathan-milkshake reaper

Okay I really hope that's how this turns out.  Meeting Javik was awesome enough, but meeting a surviving member of the race that created the Reapers?  That would be pretty great.

[SayoriChan]

Geneaux486 wrote...

a few lines of dialogue which doesn't say anything new actually.

Except it says a lot of things new.  It explains a lot about synthesis, control, and destroy.  Elaborates on the origins of the Catalyst, the origins of the Reapers.  Do you not understand what the definition of "new" is?

-- *facepalm* Did you really need it to "understand" these things?

A few short cutscenes, nothing special.

That fill in a lot of gaps.

-- Didn't feel the huge plot holes still

Slideshow

Your point?

-- The last minutes, with changing pictures. Yes it was a slideshow.

Fanbois are most naive.

You don't know what you're talking about.

-- Talking about people like you who think BiowarEA have good intentions to us. *Sits on his chair like a Sir* - So lets talk about their intentions when they released DA2 ... surely nothing like money-grabbing.. Nope... And of course Day One DLC locked on the discs. $_$

Shut up and give them your money.

Same to you, minus the "and give them your money" part.  If you're gonna be a condescending cynic, at least be good at it.

-- I will never again buy a game from BiowarEA and won't shut up

Modifié par SayoriChan, 27 juin 2012 - 05:02 .

[Heiwa no Senso]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Mobius-Silent wrote...
Actually I the information presented suggests the following progress of events:

• Find seemly indoctrinated miners
• Investigate possible Reaper incursion
• Find our that the indoctrination is not the same as usual and people recover afterwards with no memory of their experiences
• Theorise that this is a reaper that has rebelled and is being kinda-nice
• Finally find out that it is actually the last member of the race that built the Reapers-as-synthetics and the Catalyst (Before the Catalyst turned the Reapers into goo-holding racial-museums)
• Enlist the last of the Leviathans (A huge organic being the size and shape of a Sovereign-class Reaper) as war asset
• At the End, taunt Catalyst with this info.
• Find out that Harbinger is the Leviathan-milkshake reaper

Okay I really hope that's how this turns out.  Meeting Javik was awesome enough, but meeting a surviving member of the race that created the Reapers?  That would be pretty great.

no, i dont think its the reaper creators, but the first of the created. one of the original reapers.

[Geneaux486]

-- *facepalm* Did you really need it to "understand" these things?

It's a video game, so it can't give me anything that I *need*.  The extra information does, however, increase my enjoyment, and the same is true for many. 

-- Didn't feel the huge plot holes still

Yeah, it kinda did.

-- The last minutes, with changing pictures. Yes it was a slideshow.

No sh*t.  Your point?

-- Talking about people like you who think BiowarEA have good intentions to us. *Sits on his chair like a Sir* - So lets talk about their intentions when they released DA2 ... surely nothing like money-grabbing.. Nope...

DA2 is a funny way to abbreviate Mass Effect, which is what we're talking about here.

-- I will never again buy a game from BiowarEA and won't shut up

That's my bad.  I didn't mean to give you the impression that I cared what you did one way or another, when I said "same to you" I was basically just tossing the conversation-ball back.  Feel free to hang onto it this time.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 27 juin 2012 - 05:04 .

[o Ventus]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd really like to know about this Leviathan.

It has no shell correct? It's a corpse.

This sounds SO cool.

I believe this is because it's not a Reaper but the last surviving member of the race that the Reapers are the synthetic version of. Hence no "shell"

The Leviathan of Dis is a Reaper, or at least related them on a technological level. It indoctrinated the Batavian scientists and allowed the invasion of Khar'shan.

[SayoriChan]

Geneaux486 wrote...

-- *facepalm* Did you really need it to "understand" these things?

It's a video game, so it can't give me anything that I *need*.  The extra information does, however, increase my enjoyment, and the same is true for many. 

-- Didn't feel the huge plot holes still

Yeah, it kinda did.

-- The last minutes, with changing pictures. Yes it was a slideshow.

No sh*t.  Your point?

-- Talking about people like you who think BiowarEA have good intentions to us. *Sits on his chair like a Sir* - So lets talk about their intentions when they released DA2 ... surely nothing like money-grabbing.. Nope...

DA2 is a funny way to abbreviate Mass Effect, which is what we're talking about here.

-- I will never again buy a game from BiowarEA and won't shut up

That's my bad.  I didn't mean to give you the impression that I cared what you did one way or another, when I said "same to you" I was basically just tossing the conversation-ball back.  Feel free to hang onto it this time.

----
How "DA2 is a funny way to abbreviate Mass Effect," ? It's from same company and the game was released last year...
Man, you indeed are blind or a fanboi... Arguing with you is like arguing with my radio...

[Velocithon]

oh.Snake wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

Yeah I saw that. Which then makes the entire DLC pointless. I mean, if it has NO effect on the outcome of the game, why get it? Let's say you do obtain a Reaper that sides with you; if it doesn't change the ending, who cares!

Did you buy the dlc packages for Mass Effect 2? Same reason ;-)

Btw: The new endings are fine.

Yeah, but I could use my new characters in the end. If they lived, they show up in ME3. That's a good reason to get them. Overlord added a new mission, where characters again show up in ME3 and also provide insight into how Cerberus wants to control things. LotSB tells you how Liara becomes the SB and answers the mystery behind a character mentioned throughout the first and second games. Bring Down the Sky introduces a new race.

See? They all matter. The DLC for ME3 I'm sure will be fun to play, but it should also matter. And the only way I see it mattering is if it plays a role in the end, which apparently isn't happening. So...how then? How will it matter?

[Tal_Elmar]

this is defo intriguing

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

[quote]Heiwa no Senso wrote...

[quote]Geneaux486 wrote...

[quote]Mobius-Silent wrote...
Actually I the information presented suggests the following progress of events:

• Find seemly indoctrinated miners
• Investigate possible Reaper incursion
• Find our that the indoctrination is not the same as usual and people recover afterwards with no memory of their experiences
• Theorise that this is a reaper that has rebelled and is being kinda-nice
• Finally find out that it is actually the last member of the race that built the Reapers-as-synthetics and the Catalyst (Before the Catalyst turned the Reapers into goo-holding racial-museums)
• Enlist the last of the Leviathans (A huge organic being the size and shape of a Sovereign-class Reaper) as war asset
• At the End, taunt Catalyst with this info.
  Find out that Harbinger is the Leviathan-milkshake reaper

[/quote]

Okay I really hope that's how this turns out.  Meeting Javik was awesome enough, but meeting a surviving member of the race that created the Reapers?  That would be pretty great.[/quote]
no, i dont think its the reaper creators, but the first of the created. one of the original reapers.[/quote]
Actually, after some more careful reading of the text-files, it seems that Harbinger is indeed the first of the actual Reapers, the first of the Created, whereas Leviathan is the last of the actual creators of the Star Child.

[quote]
<data>The Leviathan's created you, didn't they?</data>[/quote]
[quote]
<data>Correct again. It was they who first recognize the conflict that persists between synthetics and organics. It was they who sought the solution.</data>[/quote][quote]
<data>But you turned on the Leviathans. You harvested them.</data>[/quote]
[quote]<data>Yes and no. The Reapers are a synthetic representation of the ones who created us.</data>  
<data>And they became the first to be harvested. Though they fought us... it was the only solution.</data>[/quote]
[quote]
<data>The first Reaper. In this cycle, amongst your kind, it is known as Harbinger.</data>[/quote]
[/quote]

http://pastebin.com/R52YGPek

So, this DLC if true, will have an impact on the ending, but only in that it will have a few extra lines of conversation with the Star Child. I see no evidence of it augmenting or changing any of the endings, nor offering a new one.

Or, rather, I see some hints of there being a possibility of it, but nothing concrete, and and off of it sublimated within the interlocking links and strings of the programming. So, I can't be sure it's nothing more than wishful thinking. As I said, nothing concrete.

Modifié par Samuel_Valkyrie, 27 juin 2012 - 05:31 .

[XINVADER]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Actually, after some more careful reading of the text-files, it seems that Harbinger is indeed the first of the actual Reapers, the first of the Created, whereas Leviathan is the last of the actual creators of the Star Child.

So a Leviathan squadmate is a possibility then.

Modifié par XINVADER, 27 juin 2012 - 05:22 .

[iwillkillfortali]

XINVADER wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Actually, after some more careful reading of the text-files, it seems that Harbinger is indeed the first of the actual Reapers, the first of the Created, whereas Leviathan is the last of the actual creators of the Star Child.

So a Leviathan squadmate is a possibility then.

^If true there will be a giant fight with Javik.

[XINVADER]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

XINVADER wrote...

So a Leviathan squadmate is a possibility then.

^If true there will be a giant fight with Javik.

That can only be a good thing. Here's hoping for something akin to Miranda and Jacks relationship in ME2. One can dream.

[Velocithon]

Ok...this seems like a pretty substantial DLC. The ramifications of it sound pretty big.

There is no way this will not have an effect on the ending, and I'm talking more than an extra line of dialogue with StarChild.

[Geneaux486]

SayoriChan wrote...
 Arguing with you is like arguing with my radio...

Does your radio point out when you make irrelevant comparisons or fail to understand the meaning of the word "new" like I do?

[xIxDarkWolfxIx]

I would be willing to buy this if done well. I've come to expect BW to make DLC to the quality of LotSB though, so good luck to them. =P
This and "Take back Omega" should be really good.

[Lucky Thirteen]

There is mention of Feros, I wonder if this will address the whole thing with the Thorian. Which to me alluded to being connected to Reapers and their creation. The Thorian was essentially an organic Reaper that indoctrinated people and created twisted life forms.

[justjack452]

I thought the Leviathan of Dis was Sovereign??

[o Ventus]

justjack452 wrote...

I thought the Leviathan of Dis was Sovereign??

No.