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[Aquilas]

Someone may have said what I'm going to, but I'm too lazy to read 38 pages of posts. I give credit to anyone who's already made my observations.

One Reaper, even The First, wouldn't be enough to ensure a Reaper defeat--to disable and destroy 10s of thousands of Sovereign-class Reapers. Even if It gave the allies the best intel and inside knowledge available, there are just too many Reapers. However, the writers could stretch the lore by many light years without breaking it as they break it with Star-jar, God of the ME Universe.

If the writers wanted to fix the Star-jar mistake they could have Leviathan assault the Catalyst directly, turn the tables on it, with Leviathan assuming Reaper control. Of course then the galaxy would be at Leviathan's mercy. Hopefully he'd be more trustworthy than Star-jar.

I don't see that happening due to one overriding reason: vainglorious pride. It's clear Hudson and Walters refuse to admit their failure and have wrapped themselves in the "artistic integrity" mantle. I'd applaud their integrity and humility if they owned up to their catastrophic mistake, but I don't think they're capable of it.

*Edited for clarity*

Modifié par Aquilas, 29 juin 2012 - 01:29 .

[Andy the Black]

Kanon777 wrote...

Guys, stop asking if this dlc will change the ending... It wont.

Dude, BioWare LIE. FACT.

I'm not saying I expect this Leviathan to fly in a give the Catalyst the hiding he so richly deserves. But some extra dialogue? Yeah, why not. What other reason is there for these 'hooks' to be in the EC code?

Also again, BioWare lie. So it's not 100% unreasonable for people to be expecting the unexpected

[TheShadowWolf911]

Aquilas wrote...

Someone may have said what I'm going to, but I'm too lazy to read 38 pages of posts. I give credit to anyone who's already made my observations.

One Reaper, even The First, wouldn't be enough to ensure a Reaper defeat--to disable and destroy 10s of thousands of Sovereign-class Reapers. Even if It gave the allies the best intel and inside knowledge available, there are just too many Reapers. However, the writers could stretch the lore by many light years without breaking it, as they do with Star-jar, God of the ME Universe.

If the writers wanted to fix the Star-jar mistake they could have Leviathan assault the Catalyst directly, turn the tables on it, with Leviathan assuming Reaper control. Of course then the galaxy would be at Leviathan's mercy. Hopefully he'd be more trustworthy than Star-jar.

I don't see that happening due to one overriding reason: vainglorious pride. It's clear Hudson and Walters refuse to admit their failure and have wrapped themselves in the "artistic integrity" mantle. I'd applaud their integrity and humility if they owned up to their catastrophic mistake, but I don't think they're capable of it.

we probably have at least 1 more single player DLC to go after it, and that might contain some amazing super technology or something, maybe the blueprints to what is the Mass Effect Equivalent to a Imperial Star Destroyer, Mon Calamarian Cruiser, or something

[SirLugash]

Additional dialog in the ending would be great, but it would also mean that it's not post ending DLC.
But despite the leak, a post ending DLC is highly unlikely.
You remember BW left the original Shep breath scene in the high EMS destroy ending ?
They did it for a purpose.
They don't want to be prescriptive about the ending and especially where Shep wakes up, be it London or the Citadel.
They want people to make their own future for their Sheps after the breath scene.
A post ending DLC would nullify this as they would have to explain things that happened they don't want to, so it's highly unlikely that there will ever be one.

[Andy the Black]

TheShadowWolf911 wrote...

Aquilas wrote...

Someone may have said what I'm going to, but I'm too lazy to read 38 pages of posts. I give credit to anyone who's already made my observations.

One Reaper, even The First, wouldn't be enough to ensure a Reaper defeat--to disable and destroy 10s of thousands of Sovereign-class Reapers. Even if It gave the allies the best intel and inside knowledge available, there are just too many Reapers. However, the writers could stretch the lore by many light years without breaking it, as they do with Star-jar, God of the ME Universe.

If the writers wanted to fix the Star-jar mistake they could have Leviathan assault the Catalyst directly, turn the tables on it, with Leviathan assuming Reaper control. Of course then the galaxy would be at Leviathan's mercy. Hopefully he'd be more trustworthy than Star-jar.

I don't see that happening due to one overriding reason: vainglorious pride. It's clear Hudson and Walters refuse to admit their failure and have wrapped themselves in the "artistic integrity" mantle. I'd applaud their integrity and humility if they owned up to their catastrophic mistake, but I don't think they're capable of it.

we probably have at least 1 more single player DLC to go after it, and that might contain some amazing super technology or something, maybe the blueprints to what is the Mass Effect Equivalent to a Imperial Star Destroyer, Mon Calamarian Cruiser, or something

I'd say they  probably had planes for more that 2 single player DLCs. But considering they probably put whatever they were working on, whether it was this or somthing else, on the back burner to get the EC done, their release schedule has likely been throne well out of wack. So they might just decide to scrap whatever is least far along in the development cycle. I hope not, I still love Mass Effect, and would love to see other storys expanded on such as (I've said this before) Ploba's structures.

Also, @Aquilas: Star-jar? Are you saying the Catalyst is the Jar-Jar Binks of Mass Effect?

Modifié par Andy the Black, 29 juin 2012 - 01:30 .

[Laurencio]

I must say, this sounds quite exciting.

[Sublyminal]

Okay I'm going to throw out a theory and you guys tell me what you think. What if this was BWs intentions all along? What if Hudson and Walters knew that Mass Effect 3 was just too much of a monster to finish in 18 months.

What if all of these dlcs open up additional scenes and options for both pre and post ending? Not only would the game go down as the greatest in history, it would over take the MGS series as that greatest series in all of history.

A lot of people said that bioware said they wouldn't change the endings, well guess what? They changed the endings in the EC. Before all we had was RGB now we have refusal. That constitutes a huge change. Now picture the remaining dlcs adding onto the refusal endings.

I remember playing a game years ago where you had to beat the game at least 6 times to get the 7th ending which was pretty much the everyone lives ending. Square snuck in a mini game like thing that allowed you to get Tidus back in FFX-2.

Its not unheard of. I think we have a lot more headed our way that will make us all love bioware the way we used to once again.

[insomniak9]

How about the theory that they can't change the ending, because we haven't seen the ending yet?

Mind = blown.

[Sublyminal]

insomniak9 wrote...

How about the theory that they can't change the ending, because we haven't seen the ending yet?

Mind = blown.

Mother of God.

[priestess of blood]

Sublyminal wrote...

Okay I'm going to throw out a theory and you guys tell me what you think. What if this was BWs intentions all along? What if Hudson and Walters knew that Mass Effect 3 was just too much of a monster to finish in 18 months.

What if all of these dlcs open up additional scenes and options for both pre and post ending? Not only would the game go down as the greatest in history, it would over take the MGS series as that greatest series in all of history.

A lot of people said that bioware said they wouldn't change the endings, well guess what? They changed the endings in the EC. Before all we had was RGB now we have refusal. That constitutes a huge change. Now picture the remaining dlcs adding onto the refusal endings.

I remember playing a game years ago where you had to beat the game at least 6 times to get the 7th ending which was pretty much the everyone lives ending. Square snuck in a mini game like thing that allowed you to get Tidus back in FFX-2.

Its not unheard of. I think we have a lot more headed our way that will make us all love bioware the way we used to once again.

Well said, and I hope it is the case, however do I hold out much hope for them actually adding in any more endings, not really.

But the point is that they can, they did it with refusal and there is nothing stopping them from doing it, IF they so choose to, which is however rather unlikely.

[insomniak9]

Exactly. If I get "disappeared" by Mac's hired goons, it was nice knowing you all for this brief time.

[Ozida]

I'd like to start by apologizing for any mistakes as English is not my first language. I also have no intensions to offend anybody, just stating my humble opinion.

Regarding the EC... it was OK. I agree with the most people here that it wasn't good enough to completely forget the awful, sloppy done original ending, but it sweetened the bitterness a bit. The fact that BW addressed the complain in the first place is much appreciated, although it is quite understandable (after all, we ARE the paying customers).
The problem I see with the whole series now is that BW was not able to "end Shepard's story" completely. No matter how much they have try killing him/ her, pushing to us the message that universe can still be a happy place even without Shep, lack of true happy-ending was not satisfying enough to believe that. Honestly, I personally would feel much better if they ended Separd's story by leaving him/ her just as it is and making Shep an Admiral in future series. Here, we have a living Shepard who does not need to be the main character any more, yet brings some connection to the previous games. Solved.
However, by giving us those endings (especially the one with N7 chest plate "breathing") BW has brought upon themselves a massive speculations. Just have a look through the posts: does anybody really care about new upcoming games without the Shepard as the main character at this time? Any enthusiasm about possible MMORPG or Multiplayer missions? The answer is quite obvious: people still want more DLCs about Shep. They went so far to get into the code to start speculations about Reaper DLC; they do not want to give up the hope on IT (disregarding how good or bad it is). They are even talking about having Shepard in ME4, which goes completely against the BW station that the third game is the closure of Shepard's story. It is a very interesting situation, because, in my opinion, gamers have now even more expectations for something to come after the end that they did before the EC. And many of us (gamers) want that "something" to be a rewarding happy-end.

In defense of happing-end (which I personally would love to see myself too), I must say, that I disagree with the statement that in real live Shepard would've died. I am sorry, but this is not a real life, it is a fictional story. And I know plenty of books, movies and games where characters made it impossible... but survived and it was EPIC. If I want to see the real life, I can watch some News where good people are dying every day. Throughout all 3 games we were told that Shepard is the only hope (the "bloody icon", thank you Miranda). And to take this hope away just because nobody could survive three times in the real life?.. I just find it is the realism that is not really needed in this game.
As a conclusion, I can't say that I will not be buying from BW/ EA at all, but I would be very skeptical to buy any DLCs about Shepard that adds EMS (which doesn't really play any role in the game) and doesn't change the ending. I mean, what's the point if we all know that in the end Reapers will be stopped in some way and Shepard will die?

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

 It seems as followed:

1: Species of Leviathan, space-whale form with tentacles.
2: Leviathan creates Catalyst in order to maintain status quo of organic-synthetic relations
3: Catalyst comes to the conclusion, that the only way to maintain said status quo, is to harvest organics at a certain point.
4: Catalyst hunts and harvests all the Leviathan, and creates a vehicle for their collective consciousness, resembling their old form. First Reaper. Later known as Harbinger.
5: Catalyst uses this form as an instrument to harvest more species.
6: After countless cycles, it turns out that, like Prothy the Prothean Javik, one single individual of the original Leviathan Species has survived to this time: the Leviathan of Dis. But...can it be trusted? After all...it did create the Catalyst, and it still indoctrinates.

[cavs25]

insomniak9 wrote...

How about the theory that they can't change the ending, because we haven't seen the ending yet?

Mind = blown.

 I wish.  I am not even hopeful though...I've been let down to many times so I don' expect anything 


PS I got hyped for this DLC after actually going to Dis and reading about the Leviathan incident.

Modifié par cavs25, 29 juin 2012 - 02:21 .

[filetemo]

I agree, except with this

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

6:  one single individual of the original Leviathan Species has survived to this time: the Leviathan of Dis. But...can it be trusted? After all...it did create the Catalyst, and it still indoctrinates.

I think Leviathan of Dis is the first attempt to create a reaper. It failed, so Harbinger was the first perfect one under control of the Catalyst

[Carlthestrange]

insomniak9 wrote...

How about the theory that they can't change the ending, because we haven't seen the ending yet?

Mind = blown.

 Sweet Zombie Jesus...

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

filetemo wrote...

I agree, except with this

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

6:  one single individual of the original Leviathan Species has survived to this time: the Leviathan of Dis. But...can it be trusted? After all...it did create the Catalyst, and it still indoctrinates.

I think Leviathan of Dis is the first attempt to create a reaper. It failed, so Harbinger was the first perfect one under control of the Catalyst

That might be possible as well, but the dialogue in the EC states that the Reaper that is made from the very first species to be harvested, the Catalyst's Creators (the species identified by name in said dialogue as the Leviathan) is, in fact, Harbinger. 

[Aquilas]

Ozida wrote...

I'd like to start by apologizing for any mistakes as English is not my first language. I also have no intensions to offend anybody, just stating my humble opinion.

Regarding the EC... it was OK. I agree with the most people here that it wasn't good enough to completely forget the awful, sloppy done original ending, but it sweetened the bitterness a bit. The fact that BW addressed the complain in the first place is much appreciated, although it is quite understandable (after all, we ARE the paying customers).
The problem I see with the whole series now is that BW was not able to "end Shepard's story" completely. No matter how much they have try killing him/ her, pushing to us the message that universe can still be a happy place even without Shep, lack of true happy-ending was not satisfying enough to believe that. Honestly, I personally would feel much better if they ended Separd's story by leaving him/ her just as it is and making Shep an Admiral in future series. Here, we have a living Shepard who does not need to be the main character any more, yet brings some connection to the previous games. Solved.
However, by giving us those endings (especially the one with N7 chest plate "breathing") BW has brought upon themselves a massive speculations. Just have a look through the posts: does anybody really care about new upcoming games without the Shepard as the main character at this time? Any enthusiasm about possible MMORPG or Multiplayer missions? The answer is quite obvious: people still want more DLCs about Shep. They went so far to get into the code to start speculations about Reaper DLC; they do not want to give up the hope on IT (disregarding how good or bad it is). They are even talking about having Shepard in ME4, which goes completely against the BW station that the third game is the closure of Shepard's story. It is a very interesting situation, because, in my opinion, gamers have now even more expectations for something to come after the end that they did before the EC. And many of us (gamers) want that "something" to be a rewarding happy-end.

In defense of happing-end (which I personally would love to see myself too), I must say, that I disagree with the statement that in real live Shepard would've died. I am sorry, but this is not a real life, it is a fictional story. And I know plenty of books, movies and games where characters made it impossible... but survived and it was EPIC. If I want to see the real life, I can watch some News where good people are dying every day. Throughout all 3 games we were told that Shepard is the only hope (the "bloody icon", thank you Miranda). And to take this hope away just because nobody could survive three times in the real life?.. I just find it is the realism that is not really needed in this game.
As a conclusion, I can't say that I will not be buying from BW/ EA at all, but I would be very skeptical to buy any DLCs about Shepard that adds EMS (which doesn't really play any role in the game) and doesn't change the ending. I mean, what's the point if we all know that in the end Reapers will be stopped in some way and Shepard will die?

I remember the feeling I had when Shepard ran out of, and stood atop, Sovereign's wreckage.  I remember my squad members' and Anderson's reaction in that triumphant moment.

I remember my feelings when Shepard strode through the Normandy at the end of ME2 and his crew nodded with respect and admiration.  This moment was especially effective if Shepard had just come from paying respect to any fallen team members.

I remember my disgust, disappointment, and sadness at the end of ME3.  I'd just witnessed a botched, hamfisted, poorly conceived "bittersweet ending" as "Shepard the Shepherd" sacrificed all to save the galaxy after meeting the God of the ME Universe.  I saw ME lore utterly destroyed in a tidal wave of Space Magic.

I wish this would be fixed.  I think it could be.  But as I said above, it won't be.  Hudson and Walters are too emotionally invested and defensive to even consider it.  It'd be fantastic if they'd shut me up by proving me wrong.

[JayneD]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Uh, no. Sorry. It's not that I don't trust you, it's just that... I don't want you giving my computer herpes.

You are aware that Windows only validates a file type by it's extension, so even if it was downloaded to your computer, it would still try to open it in a text editor; even if you happened to be using Linux or OSX (which actually get the meta data from the file, rather than relying solely on extension) would not be able to run a Windows based executable.

I also doubt that anyone would bother to try and run a python script on a Windows machine, hoping the user has the runtime installed and associated.

You guys need to chill out when people post links and stop spreading misconceptions and scaremongering. Get a decent anti virus scanner (hell Microsoft finally made a good one for free [Security Essentials]) and even if you visit a dodgy site, your more than likely going to come out the other side unscathed (just don't actually try and RUN an executable).

The file is legitimate, though I can't be bothered to read through it.

[Ozida]

Aquilas wrote...
...I remember my disgust, disappointment, and sadness at the end of ME3.  I'd just witnessed a botched, hamfisted, poorly conceived "bittersweet ending" as "Shepard the Shepherd" sacrificed all to save the galaxy after meeting the God of the ME Universe.  I saw ME lore utterly destroyed in a tidal wave of Space Magic....

My feelings exactly, sir. I was especially disappointed to find out that the solution to the whole Reaper problem was a "Big-***ing-Gun" (excuse my language), as it was sooo overused in the past (and present) media. Not the union of all races, not the addition of Jarvik to the team, not the Rachnie's, for God sake, but a massive gun!
The only other thing that I can add is: "BioWare, you are a business. You should care about money in the first place and not about your "artistic integrity". Give the customers what they want - and they will gladly pay for it". That how business works, that how it profits.
I understand they have tried it with EC (and even made it free), but as stated above, it was just not good enough.

[weltraumhamster89]

Ozida wrote...

I'd like to start by apologizing for any mistakes as English is not my first language. I also have no intensions to offend anybody, just stating my humble opinion.

Regarding the EC... it was OK. I agree with the most people here that it wasn't good enough to completely forget the awful, sloppy done original ending, but it sweetened the bitterness a bit. The fact that BW addressed the complain in the first place is much appreciated, although it is quite understandable (after all, we ARE the paying customers).
The problem I see with the whole series now is that BW was not able to "end Shepard's story" completely. No matter how much they have try killing him/ her, pushing to us the message that universe can still be a happy place even without Shep, lack of true happy-ending was not satisfying enough to believe that. Honestly, I personally would feel much better if they ended Separd's story by leaving him/ her just as it is and making Shep an Admiral in future series. Here, we have a living Shepard who does not need to be the main character any more, yet brings some connection to the previous games. Solved.
However, by giving us those endings (especially the one with N7 chest plate "breathing") BW has brought upon themselves a massive speculations. Just have a look through the posts: does anybody really care about new upcoming games without the Shepard as the main character at this time? Any enthusiasm about possible MMORPG or Multiplayer missions? The answer is quite obvious: people still want more DLCs about Shep. They went so far to get into the code to start speculations about Reaper DLC; they do not want to give up the hope on IT (disregarding how good or bad it is). They are even talking about having Shepard in ME4, which goes completely against the BW station that the third game is the closure of Shepard's story. It is a very interesting situation, because, in my opinion, gamers have now even more expectations for something to come after the end that they did before the EC. And many of us (gamers) want that "something" to be a rewarding happy-end.

In defense of happing-end (which I personally would love to see myself too), I must say, that I disagree with the statement that in real live Shepard would've died. I am sorry, but this is not a real life, it is a fictional story. And I know plenty of books, movies and games where characters made it impossible... but survived and it was EPIC. If I want to see the real life, I can watch some News where good people are dying every day. Throughout all 3 games we were told that Shepard is the only hope (the "bloody icon", thank you Miranda). And to take this hope away just because nobody could survive three times in the real life?.. I just find it is the realism that is not really needed in this game.
As a conclusion, I can't say that I will not be buying from BW/ EA at all, but I would be very skeptical to buy any DLCs about Shepard that adds EMS (which doesn't really play any role in the game) and doesn't change the ending. I mean, what's the point if we all know that in the end Reapers will be stopped in some way and Shepard will die?

I feel just the same way - I still want a happy ending, for me happy means cheesy, just like the other ME-parts, sorry. Like Shepard gets rescued by LI, carried half-dead on LI's arms.. whatever.
I cant understand how people would NOT want a post-ending DLC

[TheShadowWolf911]

Ozida wrote...

Aquilas wrote...
...I remember my disgust, disappointment, and sadness at the end of ME3.  I'd just witnessed a botched, hamfisted, poorly conceived "bittersweet ending" as "Shepard the Shepherd" sacrificed all to save the galaxy after meeting the God of the ME Universe.  I saw ME lore utterly destroyed in a tidal wave of Space Magic....

My feelings exactly, sir. I was especially disappointed to find out that the solution to the whole Reaper problem was a "Big-***ing-Gun" (excuse my language), as it was sooo overused in the past (and present) media. Not the union of all races, not the addition of Jarvik to the team, not the Rachnie's, for God sake, but a massive gun!
The only other thing that I can add is: "BioWare, you are a business. You should care about money in the first place and not about your "artistic integrity". Give the customers what they want - and they will gladly pay for it". That how business works, that how it profits.
I understand they have tried it with EC (and even made it free), but as stated above, it was just not good enough.

thats part of the reason i found their 'artistic integrity' response so jarring

[KingZayd]

insomniak9 wrote...

How about the theory that they can't change the ending, because we haven't seen the ending yet?

Mind = blown.

If this turned out to be true, I'd be happy

[Andy the Black]

Sublyminal wrote...

Okay I'm going to throw out a theory and you guys tell me what you think. What if this was BWs intentions all along? What if Hudson and Walters knew that Mass Effect 3 was just too much of a monster to finish in 18 months.

What if all of these dlcs open up additional scenes and options for both pre and post ending? Not only would the game go down as the greatest in history, it would over take the MGS series as that greatest series in all of history.

A lot of people said that bioware said they wouldn't change the endings, well guess what? They changed the endings in the EC. Before all we had was RGB now we have refusal. That constitutes a huge change. Now picture the remaining dlcs adding onto the refusal endings.

I remember playing a game years ago where you had to beat the game at least 6 times to get the 7th ending which was pretty much the everyone lives ending. Square snuck in a mini game like thing that allowed you to get Tidus back in FFX-2.

Its not unheard of. I think we have a lot more headed our way that will make us all love bioware the way we used to once again.

It's certainly possible they knew they wouldn't be able if fit in everything they would have liked in the time they had. They'd already pushed the game back once, so who knows.

From the tone of some of the Tweets from staff at the start of all the mess with the ending, it would seem they did/do have planes to add to the endings other that the unplanned EC. Now, while I love the idea of additional DLC opening up new dialogue at the end, it kind of has the " to see everything and get the best ending you need to spend more money" vibe to it. Thats not gonna gel with a lot of people.

Also, not to be that guy, but MGS the greatest series in all of history? It's good but not that good.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 29 juin 2012 - 04:11 .

[CronoDragoon]

This looks freaking awesome.