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[Pimpmyvanagon]

I had the same plan and found it to be just as aggrivating when it didn't work. It wouldn't have been so annoying if Anora hadn't been given plot immunity during the Landsmeet segment.

(Seriously, when she becomes queen alone, she calls for Alistair's execution immediately. But even hardened Alistair will only imprison her and your player character has no dialogue options that allow you to argue it. It's a serious case of your character being given the idiot ball.)

[Duck and Cover]

OK so I haven't tried this. How does it work? How can you both live? Other than taking up Morrigan's offer which I'd rather not do. Is there any other way for us both to live? I want to be queen. hmmm, sadly I'm a guy saying this.

[Gold Dragon]

Morrigan's offer is the only way.

[Herr Uhl]

Duck and Cover wrote...

OK so I haven't tried this. How does it work? How can you both live? Other than taking up Morrigan's offer which I'd rather not do. Is there any other way for us both to live? I want to be queen. hmmm, sadly I'm a guy saying this.

No, Morrigans offer or bust.

And let your inner gay man free, get out of the closet into the sunlight.

[Rishavs]

cephasjames wrote...
"Did you say 'Ido'?"
"Well, no, we sort of skipped that part."
"Then you're not married -- if you didn't say it, you didn't do it."

it could have been civil union. There are other ways of marrying outside christianity.

The whole point i am making is that there was noone else who could have taken the throne. Not Anora. She should have been in prison for treason. my character was the only one left with a legitimate claim to the throne.

[Skydiver8888]

darn, cephasjames beat me to the quoting.  EDIT:  WAIT!  WHAT?!  You don't recognize a Princess Bride quote.  Ahem....put down DA:O and go watch it, NOW.  it's on the live streaming version of netflix, you can sit at your computer and watch it RIGHT NOW!

There's a nice little guide on here explaining EXACTLY what you have to do to become queen (though even then the ending bugs out and you're the princess consort and it talks about Queen Anora...grrr). Basically, you gotta drag Ali onto the throne and keep him alive to actually, yanno, wear the crown.

Sorry, can't kill him off. But just because he's the kind doesn't mean you can't be the true power in Ferelden. You know the old salt about "behind every good man is a good woman" and all that.

Modifié par Skydiver8888, 14 décembre 2009 - 06:13 .

[kevinwastaken]

I don't understand why the writers didn't make it so we could kill that sweaty Queen and seize power. A coup option at the end would have been delightful.

[Rishavs]

kevinwastaken wrote...

I don't understand why the writers didn't make it so we could kill that sweaty Queen and seize power. A coup option at the end would have been delightful.

there was no need for a coup. according to the plot advancement, my ascension was sealed. i made sure to click all the proper dialog opetion using dozens of saves before and after each dialog. the plan was flawless. Except that I didn't account for the deux ex machina.

in any other game this would have been a non issue. But i had such hopes from Bioware. The way the game was leading me on, I was certain, I could do it.

Modifié par Rishavs, 14 décembre 2009 - 06:18 .

[Skellimancer]

Rishavs wrote...

kevinwastaken wrote...

I don't understand why the writers didn't make it so we could kill that sweaty Queen and seize power. A coup option at the end would have been delightful.

there was no need for a coup. according to the plot advancement, my ascension was sealed. i made sure to click all the proper dialog opetion using dozens of savers before and after each dialog. he plan was flawless. Except that I didn't account for the deux ex machina.

Bah, you should not need Alistair to get the throne. Why can't we take it by force? Go to landsmeet, kill every noble and take the crown.

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Modifié par Skellimancer, 14 décembre 2009 - 06:20 .

[tmp7704]

Rishavs wrote...

The whole point i am making is that there was noone else who could have taken the throne. Not Anora. She should have been in prison for treason. my character was the only one left with a legitimate claim to the throne.

Right, let's talk treason. How would that work in the context of goading the king into stabbing an archdemon while you're fully aware this will lead to his death...

[Herr Uhl]

Rishavs wrote...
it could have been civil union. There are other ways of marrying outside christianity.

The whole point i am making is that there was noone else who could have taken the throne. Not Anora. She should have been in prison for treason. my character was the only one left with a legitimate claim to the throne.

Ferelden has no civil union, there were nothing on paper and it was not a ceremony.

Why should she be sent to prison for treason? She did not know that Loghain would betray Cailan and it is you that let Alastair die. You should be sent to prison for treason, since you are the one that let a king die.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 14 décembre 2009 - 06:19 .

[cephasjames]

Rishavs wrote...

cephasjames wrote...
"Did you say 'Ido'?"
"Well, no, we sort of skipped that part."
"Then you're not married -- if you didn't say it, you didn't do it."

it could have been civil union. There are other ways of marrying outside christianity.

Yep, but no matter what a verbal and (at least in modern times) a written commitment must first be made. Neither was, therefore you were not yet offically queen. That doesn't mean you can't be upset. I've made choices in this game that have gone other than as I planned as well. I (and others) are just saying that this is probably the reason you're not queen.

[Gold Dragon]

Skellimancer wrote...

Rishavs wrote...

kevinwastaken wrote...

I don't understand why the writers didn't make it so we could kill that sweaty Queen and seize power. A coup option at the end would have been delightful.

there was no need for a coup. according to the plot advancement, my ascension was sealed. i made sure to click all the proper dialog opetion using dozens of savers before and after each dialog. he plan was flawless. Except that I didn't account for the deux ex machina.

Bah, you should not need Alistair to get the throne. Why can't we take it by force? Go to landsmeet, kill every noble and take the crown.

It appears we have another Loghain here....

[David Gaider]

Pimpmyvanagon wrote...
I had the same plan and found it to be just as aggrivating when it didn't work. It wouldn't have been so annoying if Anora hadn't been given plot immunity during the Landsmeet segment.

(Seriously, when she becomes queen alone, she calls for Alistair's execution immediately. But even hardened Alistair will only imprison her and your player character has no dialogue options that allow you to argue it. It's a serious case of your character being given the idiot ball.)

If you're impression that your character would be able to claim the throne -- a Grey Warden who was briefly engaged to another Grey Warden who never became King -- simply because Anora is dead, then you aren't paying attention. The only reason Alistair is even considered is because he's a Theirin.

Certainly, killing Anora and Alistair leaves it open for you making a claim, but at that point you're playing an entirely different game and one that probably involves more civil war (as I'm not sure even Arl Eamon would be so grateful so as to overlook the fact that you're attempting to wrest control of a throne that doesn't even belong to you).

But maybe you were playing a different game. Sometimes I get that impression from people, here.

Skellimancer wrote...
Bah, you should not need Alistair to get the throne. Why can't we take it by force? Go to landsmeet, kill every noble and take the crown.

Then you'd have a hat on your head and a lot of dead people around you. Congratulations.

Modifié par David Gaider, 14 décembre 2009 - 06:21 .

[Rishavs]

Skellimancer wrote...

Rishavs wrote...

kevinwastaken wrote...

I don't understand why the writers didn't make it so we could kill that sweaty Queen and seize power. A coup option at the end would have been delightful.

there was no need for a coup. according to the plot advancement, my ascension was sealed. i made sure to click all the proper dialog opetion using dozens of savers before and after each dialog. he plan was flawless. Except that I didn't account for the deux ex machina.

Bah, you should not need Alistair to get the throne. Why can't we take it by force? Go to landsmeet, kill every noble and take the crown.

And how do you rule a feudal land without nobles?
there were no telegraphs or mass transits. power had to be decentralized. Nobles were essential for all early civilizations which were spread over a large area.

[Skellimancer]

Rishavs wrote...

Skellimancer wrote...

Rishavs wrote...

kevinwastaken wrote...

I don't understand why the writers didn't make it so we could kill that sweaty Queen and seize power. A coup option at the end would have been delightful.

there was no need for a coup. according to the plot advancement, my ascension was sealed. i made sure to click all the proper dialog opetion using dozens of savers before and after each dialog. he plan was flawless. Except that I didn't account for the deux ex machina.

Bah, you should not need Alistair to get the throne. Why can't we take it by force? Go to landsmeet, kill every noble and take the crown.

And how do you rule a feudal land without nobles?
there were no telegraphs or mass transits. power had to be decentralized. Nobles were essential for all early civilizations which were spread over a large area.

I will create clones.

[Dunhart]

You deserve to lose it all for getting Alistair killed.

[Skellimancer]

David Gaider wrote...


Then you'd have a hat on your head and a lot of dead people around you. Congratulations.

[tmp7704]

David Gaider wrote...

If you're impression that your character would be able to claim the throne -- a Grey Warden who was briefly engaged to another Grey Warden who never became King -- simply because Anora is dead, then you aren't paying attention. The only reason Alistair is even considered is because he's a Theirin.

I think some people are under impression they're viable option because their character is (as far as they're aware at that point) the only alive member of another  the only remaining teyrn family. I.e. "second only to the king" in power. And well, that could be considered pretty decent claim as far as the game politics seem to imply?

Modifié par tmp7704, 14 décembre 2009 - 06:25 .

[Rishavs]

David Gaider wrote...

Pimpmyvanagon wrote...
I had the same plan and found it to be just as aggrivating when it didn't work. It wouldn't have been so annoying if Anora hadn't been given plot immunity during the Landsmeet segment.

(Seriously, when she becomes queen alone, she calls for Alistair's execution immediately. But even hardened Alistair will only imprison her and your player character has no dialogue options that allow you to argue it. It's a serious case of your character being given the idiot ball.)

If you're impression that your character would be able to claim the throne -- a Grey Warden who was briefly engaged to another Grey Warden who never became King -- simply because Anora is dead, then you aren't paying attention. The only reason Alistair is even considered is because he's a Theirin.

Certainly, killing Anora and Alistair leaves it open for you making a claim, but at that point you're playing an entirely different game and one that probably involves more civil war (as I'm not sure even Arl Eamon would be so grateful so as to overlook the fact that you're attempting to wrest control of a throne that doesn't even belong to you).

But maybe you were playing a different game. Sometimes I get that impression from people, here.

People have a different way of doing things and different perceptions. I was mostly playing to get an endig similar to KOTOR where i take control over the entire empire, kill mission and that coward guy.

Anyway, I doubt that there would have been a civil war. Eamon was dead in the battle with the AD. I commanded a vast army  who had pledged their allegience to me. I was the grieving widow of the last (soon to be coronated) king. I was the greatest Hero in the land since that other guy 400 years ago. As it was, people would have begged me to take the crown.
Add to it that I was nobility from a great and ancient house.
Finally, who could challange me? there was no notable [personality left. i ensured that i killed Loghaine in duel. if i could kill Loghaine in a simple fight who would dare stand against me? Anora was the only problem. But i ensured that by betraying her and getting declared a traitor to the king, she was out as well. there was simply no faction that could have opposed me. But anyway, I have calmed down alot. no offense was intended. i was just plain frustrated.

[tmp7704]

Rishavs wrote...

I commanded a vast army  who had pledged their allegience to me.

Keep in mind that vast army only pledged allegiance to help you stop the Blight. Blight is done, so is their allegiance.

[David Gaider]

tmp7704 wrote...
I think some people are under impression they're viable option because their character is (as far as they're aware at that point) the only alive member of another teyrn family. I.e. "second only to the king" in power. And well, that could be considered pretty decent claim as far as the game politics seem to imply?

You're the heir to a family that no longer exists. Consider that being "second only to the king in power" that refers to a power that you no longer possess -- not until it's restored to you. Until that point, the fact that you're of noble birth gives you legitimacy when it comes to being an appropriate candidate for marriage. While you could also technically make a claim for the throne, remember that you're a Grey Warden (someone who would normally be invalidated by that fact alone) and without an army (some people seem to think that they have the disposal of the armies they gathered during the game to do with as they wish, even though they agreed to help with the Blight and nothing more).

After the Archdemon's death you'd be a hero, certainly, but if anyone assumes that this automatically translates into a line of soldiers carrying the player on their shoulders to the throne that's probably more a product of wishful thinking than what was actually represented in the game.

Modifié par David Gaider, 14 décembre 2009 - 06:31 .

[Pimpmyvanagon]

David Gaider wrote...

If you're impression that your character would be able to claim the throne -- a Grey Warden who was briefly engaged to another Grey Warden who never became King -- simply because Anora is dead, then you aren't paying attention. The only reason Alistair is even considered is because he's a Theirin.

Certainly, killing Anora and Alistair leaves it open for you making a claim, but at that point you're playing an entirely different game and one that probably involves more civil war (as I'm not sure even Arl Eamon would be so grateful so as to overlook the fact that you're attempting to wrest control of a throne that doesn't even belong to you).

But maybe you were playing a different game. Sometimes I get that impression from people, here.

It's hard to critique your own work.

What's Anora's claim to the throne? She was married to a now-deceased Theirin for a brief time. It differs only in degree from the Warden's claim. Yet no one bats an eye at her being made queen, if you choose to back her.

I'd also say there's a serious lack of other contenders. Arl Eamon is already the regent but his claim is, if anything, weaker than the Warden's. Alistair, Anora and Loghain are all dead. Who does that leave? The bald noble who always votes for Loghain during the Landsmeet segment?

For me, the writing in an RPG has failed when there is something I feel my character needs to say or do, but there is no option to. Anora getting plot immunity at the conclusion of the Landsmeet was a glaring example of this.

Modifié par Pimpmyvanagon, 14 décembre 2009 - 06:33 .

[Invalidcode]

tmp7704 wrote...

I think some people are under impression they're viable option because their character is (as far as they're aware at that point) the only alive member of another  the only remaining teyrn family. I.e. "second only to the king" in power. And well, that could be considered pretty decent claim as far as the game politics seem to imply?

If the story go that route/option, (let's say Anora die from a heart attack) Arl Eamon family is next in line, still not Cousland's turn. Eamon will take it even he isn't power hungry or really want the throne.

Modifié par Invalidcode, 14 décembre 2009 - 06:33 .

[TheGreenLion]

Alistair put Anora in the tower as his first act as King, since ya offed the King the rule no longer applies and Anora yet again becomes the widowed Queen since ya never married Alistair...only slept with him. Basically a mistress to the now dead would-be King.



They didn't include pulling a Loghain and attempt to murder your competition(everyone at the Landsmeet since I doubt they'd be fooled twice) otherwise the PC would be the bad guy/girl and you'd be worse than Howe to boot. Yer sposed to play the hero not the evil tyrant...but I can see where you might have thought of starting the whole Ferelden civil war scenario all over again by usurping the crown.