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[tmp7704]

David Gaider wrote...

You're the heir to a family that no longer exists.

Ahh we looked at it differently then. I was focusing rather on how being the only one left could technically make the player's character the head of this family and perhaps by this extension to be in position of a teyrn themselves? Certainly though, having lost their military and other resources they don't have much but the name left.

[Rishavs]

Invalidcode wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

I think some people are under impression they're viable option because their character is (as far as they're aware at that point) the only alive member of another  the only remaining teyrn family. I.e. "second only to the king" in power. And well, that could be considered pretty decent claim as far as the game politics seem to imply?

If the story go that route/option, (let's say Anora die from a heart attack) Arl Eamon family is next in line, still not Cousland's turn. Eamon will take it even he isn't power hungry or really want the throne.

Eamon is dead. Dragon ate him.
Alistair is dead. he ate archdemon spirit.
Loghaine is dead. i ****slapped him.
Anora is in prison for treason.
Morrigan never made babby with Alistair. so no heir there either.

The majority of nobles support me. Atleast the werewolf army has an oath of alligience to me. (not just to fight the blight).
Bhelen has my back amongst the dwarves. Unless the Empress of Orlais decided to intervene (and due to recent history, the intervention will not be loooked at kindly), there was noone but me.

There is simply noone left in line for the throne. seriously. i thought this through.

and oh, my family is still there. According to the dialog options Fergus is well alive and would be busy rebuilding Highever. so my house is fine and dandy too.

Modifié par Rishavs, 14 décembre 2009 - 06:44 .

[Allyahnah]

Rishavs wrote...

cephasjames wrote...
"Did you say 'Ido'?"
"Well, no, we sort of skipped that part."
"Then you're not married -- if you didn't say it, you didn't do it."

it could have been civil union. There are other ways of marrying outside christianity.

The whole point i am making is that there was noone else who could have taken the throne. Not Anora. She should have been in prison for treason. my character was the only one left with a legitimate claim to the throne.

The only thing accomplished at the Landsmeet was the outcome that Alistair would be a better King than Loghain. Alistair himself says loud and clear that if he doesn't return from battle, Anora will be Queen.

[Herr Uhl]

tmp7704 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

You're the heir to a family that no longer exists.

Ahh we looked at it differently then. I was focusing rather on how being the only one left could technically make the player's character the head of this family and perhaps by this extension to be in position of a teyrn themselves? Certainly though, having lost their military and other resources they don't have much but the name left.

Wouldn't the heir to the non-existing family be Fergus?

[Taleroth]

Herr Uhl wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

You're the heir to a family that no longer exists.

Ahh we looked at it differently then. I was focusing rather on how being the only one left could technically make the player's character the head of this family and perhaps by this extension to be in position of a teyrn themselves? Certainly though, having lost their military and other resources they don't have much but the name left.

Wouldn't the heir to the non-existing family be Fergus?

He's dead.  I saw the body.  You can't prove I didn't.

[Rishavs]

Allyahnah wrote...

Rishavs wrote...

cephasjames wrote...
"Did you say 'Ido'?"
"Well, no, we sort of skipped that part."
"Then you're not married -- if you didn't say it, you didn't do it."

it could have been civil union. There are other ways of marrying outside christianity.

The whole point i am making is that there was noone else who could have taken the throne. Not Anora. She should have been in prison for treason. my character was the only one left with a legitimate claim to the throne.

The only thing accomplished at the Landsmeet was the outcome that Alistair would be a better King than Loghain. Alistair himself says loud and clear that if he doesn't return from battle, Anora will be Queen.

Though I could be wrong, i don't think that dialog comes up if you betray Anora. Alistair actually has her imprisoned for fermenting dissent against the King as his very first act on taking the throne.
Alistair never declared that he will have Anora on the throne if he died.

[Invalidcode]

Alistair never declared that he will have Anora on the throne if he died.

He did.

[tmp7704]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Wouldn't the heir to the non-existing family be Fergus?

Yes, this is why i said "as far as [player is] aware at that point" earlier. When the Landsmeet happens Fergus is for all the player's character knows dead or at least missing and they are the only one left.

[SarEnyaDor]

In some dialogues he does.

[Herr Uhl]

tmp7704 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Wouldn't the heir to the non-existing family be Fergus?

Yes, this is why i said "as far as [player is] aware at that point" earlier. When the Landsmeet happens Fergus is for all the player's character knows dead or at least missing and they are the only one left.

Yes, but you couldn't claim the throne for yourself until Ali is dead. And Fergus is there on the funeral, right?

[Taleroth]

Herr Uhl wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Wouldn't the heir to the non-existing family be Fergus?

Yes, this is why i said "as far as [player is] aware at that point" earlier. When the Landsmeet happens Fergus is for all the player's character knows dead or at least missing and they are the only one left.

Yes, but you couldn't claim the throne for yourself until Ali is dead. And Fergus is there on the funeral, right?

An imposter.

[TheGreenLion]

yep Fergus would become the Teryn Cousland.



The missing piece is the option where the PC takes the tyrant role, Anora would be free if Alistair died so you'd naturally want to come back and kill her and probably a crapload of the banns at the Landsmeet...bald guy might side with you though.



Everyone who supports you does so because of the Blight, barring that there's too many other good candidates for the throne to throw a Grey Warden from a Noble house with next to no power/troops up there unless you killed your competition off like Loghain had in mind for himself. Hell your own crew would probably kill you for choosing to do that or at least abandon you for being an immoral ******....maybe we can get a new patch for an evil tyrant end-game to satisfy this last...if a bit un-heroic ending.

[Rishavs]

Herr Uhl wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Wouldn't the heir to the non-existing family be Fergus?

Yes, this is why i said "as far as [player is] aware at that point" earlier. When the Landsmeet happens Fergus is for all the player's character knows dead or at least missing and they are the only one left.

Yes, but you couldn't claim the throne for yourself until Ali is dead. And Fergus is there on the funeral, right?

Depends. The crows do owe me favors.

[Pimpmyvanagon]

Allyahnah wrote...
The only thing accomplished at the Landsmeet was the outcome that Alistair would be a better King than Loghain. Alistair himself says loud and clear that if he doesn't return from battle, Anora will be Queen.

You don't think a ruthlessly pragmatic player character (or, you know, a sane one) might possibly want to say something to Alistair about his decision? Especially as Anora has amply demonstrated that she very much wants to be queen and has no qualms with resorting to dishonest or underhanded methods to achieve her ambition?

It's kind of crazy. Alistair demands that she renounce her claim to the throne, and then puts her second in the line of succession a minute later.  Talk about quickly reversing a decision. And your player character just stares on in slack-jawed bemusement.

[Allyahnah]

Rishavs wrote...

Invalidcode wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

I think some people are under impression they're viable option because their character is (as far as they're aware at that point) the only alive member of another  the only remaining teyrn family. I.e. "second only to the king" in power. And well, that could be considered pretty decent claim as far as the game politics seem to imply?

If the story go that route/option, (let's say Anora die from a heart attack) Arl Eamon family is next in line, still not Cousland's turn. Eamon will take it even he isn't power hungry or really want the throne.

Eamon is dead. Dragon ate him.
Alistair is dead. he ate archdemon spirit.
Loghaine is dead. i ****slapped him.
Anora is in prison for treason.
Morrigan never made babby with Alistair. so no heir there either.

The majority of nobles support me. Atleast the werewolf army has an oath of alligience to me. (not just to fight the blight).
Bhelen has my back amongst the dwarves. Unless the Empress of Orlais decided to intervene (and due to recent history, the intervention will not be loooked at kindly), there was noone but me.

There is simply noone left in line for the throne. seriously. i thought this through.

and oh, my family is still there. According to the dialog options Fergus is well alive and would be busy rebuilding Highever. so my house is fine and dandy too.

You might have thought it through but you didn't read and/or misinterpretted. Alistair was never crowned King. He basically told the Landsmeet that Anora was going to prison until after the war. Once the war was over, if Alistair returned, he'd THEN be King and would THEN marry you. If he didn't return, ANORA would be Queen. He states this clearly in the Landsmeet. Go listen to it again. Read carefully.

Now if you want to complain that your character should get the OPTION to be Queen, then I agree. But don't argue that the story was wrong because it clearly wasn't.

[Tirigon]

I wish there was a dialogue option like: "I shall be the Ruler of all of Ferelden, and everyone disagreeing can kindly kill himself now, I have no time to do it myself." It would fit to my bloodmages character so well to become dictator, and honestly - she´d rule a lot better than Anora or Alistair.....



There should also be an option to become Alistairs queen as a non-human.

[Count Viceroy]

Dalereth wrote...

Where's that crier in Orzammar when you need him...

Epic err win. :innocent:

[Allyahnah]

Pimpmyvanagon wrote...

Allyahnah wrote...
The only thing accomplished at the Landsmeet was the outcome that Alistair would be a better King than Loghain. Alistair himself says loud and clear that if he doesn't return from battle, Anora will be Queen.

You don't think a ruthlessly pragmatic player character (or, you know, a sane one) might possibly want to say something to Alistair about his decision? Especially as Anora has amply demonstrated that she very much wants to be queen and has no qualms with resorting to dishonest or underhanded methods to achieve her ambition?

It's kind of crazy. Alistair demands that she renounce her claim to the throne, and then puts her second in the line of succession a minute later.  Talk about quickly reversing a decision. And your player character just stares on in slack-jawed bemusement.

I agree that this is quite inane, but my argument is that it happened and you can't say that it didn't happen and get upest about it, is all. I personally would like the ability to become Queen without needing to marry a King to do so. We may be in "olden days" but we're still in a fantasy realm of dragons and Darkspawn. It's not totally out of the realm of imagination. However, the game writers didn't write that ending in there and their explanations are sound and logical to suit their game in their opinions and, being that none of us are capable of writing and mass producing our own RPG, it's just something we'll have to put up with.

[tmp7704]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Yes, but you couldn't claim the throne for yourself until Ali is dead.

I wonder about it actually. Alistair's claim is because of the blood but just how important that is when it comes to picking the ruler? (keeping in mind the nobles are supposed to have the last word, and seeing how Anora is a viable candidate even though technically she's just a noble who was married to that blood for a short while)  Would be nice if the writers could shed some light on it.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Poor Alistair. Serves you right, you harpy.

[Rishavs]

Allyahnah wrote...
You might have thought it through but you didn't read and/or misinterpretted. Alistair was never crowned King. He basically told the Landsmeet that Anora was going to prison until after the war. Once the war was over, if Alistair returned, he'd THEN be King and would THEN marry you. If he didn't return, ANORA would be Queen. He states this clearly in the Landsmeet. Go listen to it again. Read carefully.

Now if you want to complain that your character should get the OPTION to be Queen, then I agree. But don't argue that the story was wrong because it clearly wasn't.

I just finished the landsmeet again. some salient points for you.
Alistair DOES NOT states anywhere that Anora wil be queen. as I said before that dialog doesn't even comes up if you choose Alisatir to be the king with yourself as the queen. i suggest you fire an old save and try those dialog options now. Anora is safely rotting in the prison in my game.
AListair says that till the war is over Eamon will be his regent.
Alistair is referred to as "your highness" by others. he is is for all intents and purposes the King. A coronation is NOT required be the king. its just an official ceremony where the king would take the crown and all his nobles will kiss his ring.
Alistair says "when i'll be back i'll once again take up my duties". Alistair is the King and he decided to give the regency to Eamon for the duration of the war. if you read the dialog, its easy to see that Alistair is recognised by everyone to be the King. Also, it was well announced in front of everyone that I would take the throne with him as his queen.

sao as you see, my position on the  argument for me to be the queen is stronger than yours.

[SarEnyaDor]

It all depends on your other choices as well, whether or not Alistair is hard or soft affects the dialogue, too. So do your responses. It depends on more than one dialogue tree, but he often says she'll remain in the tower for now in case he doesn't make it through the fight there will be a monarch for Ferelden and he'll deal with her IF he makes it back. That is the whole reason he doesn't kill her but locks her in the tower.

[Russscott]

Wouldn't Teagan be next in line if Eamon's family had claim to the throne and Eamon was dead?

[Wrathra]

Rishavs wrote...

Seriously WTF!!!
how the **** did Anora become the queen?
I had executed everything so meticulously. The plan wazs precise and perfect. How the **** am i not the queen?

I had Anora support me in the landsmeet only to betray her after Loghain was taken care of, choosing to put my spineless puppet Alistair on the throne with me as the queen.
So Alistair was king with me as the queen. Anora was safely in prison.

In the final fight I made sure that no help was given to Eamon during the fight so that he perishes. I goaded Alistair into sacrificing himself. Now there was only one claim left to the throne. Me. Absolute power.
I should have returned to the Palace as the grieving widow, the Hero, the savior of the land. The Queen of Ferelden. how the **** did Anora become the queen. she was in the goddamned prison!! The plan was fullproof.  Did i hit a bug or miss a dialog option?

This is seriously the worst game ending I have ever played. EVER ****ing EVER!!
A Knight Commander??!! Screw you Anora. screw you Bioware.

After so long I played a game where I could build up towards the end and you torpedo over the very story of the game. bah! Absolute wastage of my 200+ hours (with 2 characters) that I put in this stupid game.
I can't believe that I had gotten so emotionally invested in this game and the ending just ruins the entire experience.

Didn't Alistair say when he had Anora arrested that if he died, she would take his place? She even commented that he showed her more compassion than she would have shown him.  

Sorry.

[Rishavs]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

It all depends on your other choices as well, whether or not Alistair is hard or soft affects the dialogue, too. So do your responses. It depends on more than one dialogue tree, but he often says she'll remain in the tower for now in case he doesn't make it through the fight there will be a monarch for Ferelden and he'll deal with her IF he makes it back. That is the whole reason he doesn't kill her but locks her in the tower.

In my case;
me>> Alistair, you have to deal with her!
Ali>> B-but I can't kill her. i guess ... (stammering) put her ina tower or something.

there's a reason why my charactr wanted to marry Alistair. he is absolutely spinless. At least he was in my playthrough.

Wrathra wrote...

Didn't Alistair say when he had Anora
arrested that if he died, she would take his place? She even commented
that he showed her more compassion than she would have shown him.  

Sorry.

again. that dialog is highly situational. anyway, the way i played the game, i had Alistair put Anora in a prison and take me as his queen.. there is no way he can say that some other woman will be on the throne if he dies.

Russscott wrote...

Wouldn't Teagan be next in line if Eamon's family had claim to the throne and Eamon was dead?

except that Eamon has no claim to the throne at all. he even admits that when Alistair tells him to become the king in Redcliffe.
but yes, i shoul;d have taken Teagn out too. to think, i killed Connor but forgot Teagan. bah. <_<

Modifié par Rishavs, 14 décembre 2009 - 08:03 .