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[Rishavs]

Badpie wrote...

I'm baffled as to why this doesn't make sense to some of you.

Anora IS QUEEN. Which means she has a claim to the throne. Only a Therin can challenge that - and they did, which is why they had the landsmeet.

So Alistair was all set to take the throne, but he did NOT take it yet! HE WAS NOT KING!

And you have about as much claim to the throne as a dead cat. You're not a Therin, you weren't married to a Therin. Period.

Even if Anora had been killed. If both Anora and Alistair died, next in line for the throne would be Eamon since his sister was Queen before.

That's the way it works. Tough ******. Stop moaning.

I am more baffled why it makes no sense to some of you. the way the game presented the scenario, it was all but given that Alistair and me would be King and Queen. Anora was out of the picture except as a deux ex machina she just pops up in the end with no explanation at all.

oh btw, Alistair IS the King. Coronation is just a ceremony. He already has all the powers of the King. Again, if AListair is not the king how the hell does his command supercedes that of the Queen Anora?

Pimpmyvanagon wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

And I'm really sorry that you resort to personal insults.

Agreed that personal attacks are bad form, and it would be nice if folks could refrain from doing so.

Agreed. though i thought my post was more inspired by Morrigan's quote to Alistair in the Kokaori Wilds.  Maybe she shouldn't have started it by calling me blind then. Anyway, i apologise if I offended. it was certainly the intent but now I see, the wrong one. Anyway, enough bickering from my side. goodday to you all fine people. it was a good discussion. and Pimp, your arguments are better contructed than mine. carry on the fight.

Modifié par Rishavs, 14 décembre 2009 - 09:52 .

[SarEnyaDor]

Saying that your logic is flawed is not an insult anymore than saying that you thought the cannon would fire 500 feet but you were mistaken is.



I'm sorry if you took the way I was bowing out of the conversation as an insult to begin with and that made you turn all nasty, that wasn't my intent. I certainly didn't think I was dishing anything out other than I was leaving the thread now, but I happened to refresh before I navigated away.



I just don't get your venom, is all.

[Rishavs]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Saying that your logic is flawed is not an insult anymore than saying that you thought the cannon would fire 500 feet but you were mistaken is.

I'm sorry if you took the way I was bowing out of the conversation as an insult to begin with and that made you turn all nasty, that wasn't my intent. I certainly didn't think I was dishing anything out other than I was leaving the thread now, but I happened to refresh before I navigated away.

I just don't get your venom, is all.

ok listen. I apologise. i am frustrated and angry. and i didnt take offense at your arguments against my logic. logic against logic is neat. i took offense to you calling me blind. and i doubt that was your intent. so just forget about it all.
I am not really venomous most of the time. but my 200+ hour playthrough got watsed. so give me some leeline please.
I think i'll take a long break and cool off. Apologies too those i ticked off.

[Wrathra]

Rishavs wrote...

oh btw, Alistair IS the King. Coronation is just a ceremony. He already has all the powers of the King. Again, if AListair is not the king how the hell does his command supercedes that of the Queen Anora?

I think that Alistair is technically the King-Elect, the equivelant to the President-Elect here in the US.

Kind of like Obama, even though he was elected, was not actually in power until January 21. He can stay stuff, set up his cabinet, etc.  But up until then, Bush was still president. (Yes, I know it's American politics, but still, it seems kind of similiar).

That's how I interpret it.

[Pimpmyvanagon]

Rishavs wrote...
it was a good discussion. and Pimp, your arguments are better contructed than mine. carry on the fight.

I'm not sure that there's really a fight to carry on. It seems to me that we're pretty much just restating ourselves now, so unless there's something new to consider (additional insights from Mr. Gaider or some fact presented in the game that we've overlooked) I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Nosuchluck]

Bah nvm posted to late.

Modifié par Nosuchluck, 14 décembre 2009 - 10:05 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

David Gaider wrote...

If you're impression that your character would be able to claim the throne -- a Grey Warden who was briefly engaged to another Grey Warden who never became King -- simply because Anora is dead, then you aren't paying attention. The only reason Alistair is even considered is because he's a Theirin.

Certainly, killing Anora and Alistair leaves it open for you making a claim, but at that point you're playing an entirely different game and one that probably involves more civil war (as I'm not sure even Arl Eamon would be so grateful so as to overlook the fact that you're attempting to wrest control of a throne that doesn't even belong to you).

Rishavs, I refer you to this post in this topic.

If you had a point, Mr Gaider would have no doubt admitted you are right, the fact he hasn't and the fact he made this post proves that you are talking out of your backside. Now even had Alistair been made King, you were a Princess-Consort just like Phillip is Prince-consort to Queen Elizabeth and thus NO power whatsoever thus definitly not queen.

If you can't get this into your head then it is obvious why your scheme failed.

The only way you would have had power would have been for Alistair to have lived and you to be Queen or General of his armies OR for you to support Anora to be Queen and be the General of her armies.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 14 décembre 2009 - 10:16 .

[Rishavs]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

If you're impression that your character would be able to claim the throne -- a Grey Warden who was briefly engaged to another Grey Warden who never became King -- simply because Anora is dead, then you aren't paying attention. The only reason Alistair is even considered is because he's a Theirin.

Certainly, killing Anora and Alistair leaves it open for you making a claim, but at that point you're playing an entirely different game and one that probably involves more civil war (as I'm not sure even Arl Eamon would be so grateful so as to overlook the fact that you're attempting to wrest control of a throne that doesn't even belong to you).

Rishavs, I refer you to this post in this topic.

If you had a point, Mr Gaider would have no doubt admitted you are right, the fact he hasn't and the fact he made this post proves that you are talking out of your backside. Now quit whining like a pathetic little girl and accept that even had Alistair been made King, you were a Princess-Consort just like Phillip is Prince-consort to Queen Elizabeth and thus NO power whatsoever thus definitly not queen.

If you can't get this into your head then it is obvious why your scheme failed.

The only way you would have had power would have been for Alistair to have lived and you to be Queen or General of his armies OR for you to support Anora to be Queen and be the General of her armies.

i thought we agreed on not using insults.
Anyway there is no point on replying to your words. As Pimp said, we agree to disagre in here. take it for what it is worth.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Even though I didn't agree anything, I have removed the insulting comment.



Anyway apology accepted and I am sorry if you found my previous comment insulting, it was a retaliation for the comments you had aimed at other people (especially the brain transplant comment) and I had no right to do so.

[Pimpmyvanagon]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

If you had a point, Mr Gaider would have no doubt admitted you are right, the fact he hasn't and the fact he made this post proves that you are talking out of your backside.

No offense intended to Mr. Gaider, but I would expect a writer to stand by his work.

EDIT:

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Now even had Alistair been made King, you were a Princess-Consort just
like Phillip is Prince-consort to Queen Elizabeth and thus NO power
whatsoever thus definitly not queen.

As has been pointed out already in this thread more than once, Anora was princess-consort to Cailan, and she has no claim to the throne by blood. This apparently did not serve as much of a barrier to her eventually becoming queen in her own right. This has led some players to speculate that the Warden could have done the same thing, if not for the game arbitrarily preventing it.

I hate restating myself so much but I am getting the impression that my posts are being skimmed over due to the speed with which the thread is moving. Apologies if this is not the case.

Modifié par Pimpmyvanagon, 14 décembre 2009 - 10:33 .

[Drider-man]

I'm not sure where you all got the idea that Anora was princess-consort or anything of the sort. She was married to the King and is clearly mentioned as being Queen Anora several times throughout the game.
Why, exactly, there's a differentiation between her position and yours, should Alistair ascend to the throne with you as his consort I'm not 100% sure, but the end result is that she has a claim to the throne by virtue of being the queen already.

Edit: I assume the difference lies in her being royalty, through Marics royal appointment of Loghain, of a sufficient level while you are only minor royalty, or something along those lines. Honestly, I mostly speed-read through all the Banns and Arls and whatnot, seeing as knowing the exact layout of the Ferelden royal hierarchy wasn't really integral to my enjoyment of the story

Modifié par Drider-man, 14 décembre 2009 - 11:13 .

[Pimpmyvanagon]

Drider-man wrote...

Edit: I assume the difference lies in her being royalty, through Marics royal appointment of Loghain, of a sufficient level while you are only minor royalty, or something along those lines.

Loghain is Teyrn of Gwaren. Your character's father, if you chose the human noble origin, was Teyrn of Highever. Equal social station.

[David Gaider]

Drider-man wrote...
I'm not sure where you all got the idea that Anora was princess-consort or anything of the sort. She was married to the King and is clearly mentioned as being Queen Anora several times throughout the game.

I'll point out that as of the Landsmeet Anora does nat have a claim to the throne -- she is on the throne. She is the ruling monarch of Ferelden, and whether she stays there or whether Alistair successfully challenges her right to it is the question.

Yes, she gets put into a tower at the end of the Landsmeet if Alistair is becoming the sole king (or marrying the player). She is not being arrested for treason or any such nonsense -- Loghain is the traitor, not Anora. She might have betrayed you in the course of the Landsmeet, but she certainly didn't partake in any treachery against the country (that anyone, including you, is aware of anyhow).

So Alistair, the expected King-to-be, dies in the battle at Denerim. What then? They keep Anora in prison, she who was removed from the throne to begin with by Alistair's superior claim, or... what? Put a Grey Warden on the throne, one who isn't the last Theirin and whose main claim restson the fact she was about to marry the King-to-be? What do you think the nobility of Ferelden is going to do, exactly?

I get that some of you really wanted to be the ruler of Ferelden. I'm sorry that the story didn't go the way that you wanted, but denying the facts presented in the game because they don't fit your desired outcome is a bit lame. This is what happened. Chill out.

[Drider-man]

David Gaider wrote...

Drider-man wrote...
I'm not sure where you all got the idea that Anora was princess-consort or anything of the sort. She was married to the King and is clearly mentioned as being Queen Anora several times throughout the game.

I'll point out that as of the Landsmeet Anora does nat have a claim to the throne -- she is on the throne. She is the ruling monarch of Ferelden, and whether she stays there or whether Alistair successfully challenges her right to it is the question.

Yes, she gets put into a tower at the end of the Landsmeet if Alistair is becoming the sole king (or marrying the player). She is not being arrested for treason or any such nonsense -- Loghain is the traitor, not Anora. She might have betrayed you in the course of the Landsmeet, but she certainly didn't partake in any treachery against the country (that anyone, including you, is aware of anyhow).

So Alistair, the expected King-to-be, dies in the battle at Denerim. What then? They keep Anora in prison, she who was removed from the throne to begin with by Alistair's superior claim, or... what? Put a Grey Warden on the throne, one who isn't the last Theirin and whose main claim restson the fact she was about to marry the King-to-be? What do you think the nobility of Ferelden is going to do, exactly?

I get that some of you really wanted to be the ruler of Ferelden. I'm sorry that the story didn't go the way that you wanted, but denying the facts presented in the game because they don't fit your desired outcome is a bit lame. This is what happened. Chill out.

So you're agreeing with my statement here, right? She has a claim to being the queen by virtue of being the frickin' queen. Makes sense to me (and incidentially to my male rogue who recognised a good deal when he saw it and married her). But what exactly makes you consort and her straight out queen?

Also, pimpmyvanagon, you might be the descendant of a Teyrn but you're not the next in line, your older brother is. Not that I'm sure that makes a difference but it's my best bet

Modifié par Drider-man, 14 décembre 2009 - 11:37 .

[Felene]

David Gaider wrote...

Drider-man wrote...
I'm not sure where you all got the idea that Anora was princess-consort or anything of the sort. She was married to the King and is clearly mentioned as being Queen Anora several times throughout the game.

I'll point out that as of the Landsmeet Anora does nat have a claim to the throne -- she is on the throne. She is the ruling monarch of Ferelden, and whether she stays there or whether Alistair successfully challenges her right to it is the question.

Yes, she gets put into a tower at the end of the Landsmeet if Alistair is becoming the sole king (or marrying the player). She is not being arrested for treason or any such nonsense -- Loghain is the traitor, not Anora. She might have betrayed you in the course of the Landsmeet, but she certainly didn't partake in any treachery against the country (that anyone, including you, is aware of anyhow).

So Alistair, the expected King-to-be, dies in the battle at Denerim. What then? They keep Anora in prison, she who was removed from the throne to begin with by Alistair's superior claim, or... what? Put a Grey Warden on the throne, one who isn't the last Theirin and whose main claim restson the fact she was about to marry the King-to-be? What do you think the nobility of Ferelden is going to do, exactly?

I get that some of you really wanted to be the ruler of Ferelden. I'm sorry that the story didn't go the way that you wanted, but denying the facts presented in the game because they don't fit your desired outcome is a bit lame. This is what happened. Chill out.

Yes, this proofs my logic is correct!

Anora is made queen regnant after Cailan's death.

Beware of the rage from all the queen wanna be fangirls, Mr. Gaider.

It might be deadly.

Modifié par Felene, 14 décembre 2009 - 11:40 .

[Dark83]

In this thread: OP doesn't pay attention, makes spurious assumptions, gets bit in the ass for basing decisions purely on her assumptions.

[EricHVela]

I *really wanted* some ice cream.



Actually, I just want realistic shadows. I'm okay with the rest. I can rewrite a lot of that stuff if it gets my small clothes in a knot too much. (Toolset 4 evah!)

[Louis deGuerre]

I feel sorry for the girls this happened to.

Yet I have to laugh

And Louis approves Prince's Bride quotes ! + 100 (love)

[mchsiung]

outplayed



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[Tirigon]

David Gaider wrote...

I'll point out that as of the Landsmeet Anora does nat have a claim to the throne -- she is on the throne. She is the ruling monarch of Ferelden, and whether she stays there or whether Alistair successfully challenges her right to it is the question.

Yes, she gets put into a tower at the end of the Landsmeet if Alistair is becoming the sole king (or marrying the player). She is not being arrested for treason or any such nonsense -- Loghain is the traitor, not Anora. She might have betrayed you in the course of the Landsmeet, but she certainly didn't partake in any treachery against the country (that anyone, including you, is aware of anyhow).

So Alistair, the expected King-to-be, dies in the battle at Denerim. What then? They keep Anora in prison, she who was removed from the throne to begin with by Alistair's superior claim, or... what? Put a Grey Warden on the throne, one who isn't the last Theirin and whose main claim restson the fact she was about to marry the King-to-be? What do you think the nobility of Ferelden is going to do, exactly?

I get that some of you really wanted to be the ruler of Ferelden. I'm sorry that the story didn't go the way that you wanted, but denying the facts presented in the game because they don't fit your desired outcome is a bit lame. This is what happened. Chill out.

Why couldnt you just say: "Either make me your King, or I´ll go to Orlais, wait for Ferelden to fall, and save a more grateful people." That would allow you to become Ruler, and at least with some origins, for example city elf, dwarfen noble or mage you would even have  a good reason not to help the fereldans - I mean, after playing the city elf origin as a woman I really wished I could wait for the darkspawn to kill all these human nobles, who seemed to be more cruel than any Hurlock I met so far.

Besides, you could fight a civil war AGAINST Eamon, if he doesnt support you - at least if you  help the werewolves, Branka and the mages. I doubt the Fereldan army would stand a chance against the army you would have then.

[Invalidcode]

Besides, you could fight a civil war AGAINST Eamon, if he doesnt support you - at least if you  help the werewolves, Branka and the mages. I doubt the Fereldan army would stand a chance against the army you would have then.

No one will help you against Eamon, maybe the werewolves(doubt it).

[Bibdy]

Invalidcode wrote...

I goaded Alistair into sacrificing himself.

This is your downfall.

Remember Alistair said it himself that when he falls in the battle, Anora takes the throne.
Listen to what the king/your husband say next time, maybe.

BAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAhahahahahahahaahah...hahahah...hah...

Oh what, you're serious?

[galesong1234]

Rishavs wrote...

Seriously WTF!!!
how the **** did Anora become the queen?
I had executed everything so meticulously. The plan wazs precise and perfect. How the **** am i not the queen?

I had Anora support me in the landsmeet only to betray her after Loghain was taken care of, choosing to put my spineless puppet Alistair on the throne with me as the queen.
So Alistair was king with me as the queen. Anora was safely in prison.

In the final fight I made sure that no help was given to Eamon during the fight so that he perishes. I goaded Alistair into sacrificing himself. Now there was only one claim left to the throne. Me. Absolute power.
I should have returned to the Palace as the grieving widow, the Hero, the savior of the land. The Queen of Ferelden. how the **** did Anora become the queen. she was in the goddamned prison!! The plan was fullproof.  Did i hit a bug or miss a dialog option?

This is seriously the worst game ending I have ever played. EVER ****ing EVER!!
A Knight Commander??!! Screw you Anora. screw you Bioware.

After so long I played a game where I could build up towards the end and you torpedo over the very story of the game. bah! Absolute wastage of my 200+ hours (with 2 characters) that I put in this stupid game.
I can't believe that I had gotten so emotionally invested in this game and the ending just ruins the entire experience.

Find answers in posting ROMANCING ALISTAIR: WHAT ENDING TO PICK? YOU CHOOSE....

[Tirigon]

Invalidcode wrote...

Besides, you could fight a civil war AGAINST Eamon, if he doesnt support you - at least if you  help the werewolves, Branka and the mages. I doubt the Fereldan army would stand a chance against the army you would have then.

No one will help you against Eamon, maybe the werewolves(doubt it).

The werewolfes would probably (Why should they not? You helped them, Eamon didnt), the golems HAVE to, because they dont have a free will, the dwarfen King might help you too (after all you made him king, so he owes you everything) and the mages, well... They believed Uldred and fought for him when he promised freedom from the chantry, you would simply have to do the same. Besides, a lot of the Fereldans would be on your side, I think. There are people who would rather be ruled by a hero who saved the world then by a traitor´s daughter.
There might even be a few more allies..... For example the city elves and the Dalish. In case you helped Kolgrim at the Urn of Sacred Ashes you could even count upon a bunch of fanatics, too.
And then, war against Eamon is the worst-case scenario rather than the plan. I guess a lot of the Redcliff people would like you to be King, as you have saved them from certain death when the undeads attacked. And Eamon should support you, unless he´s an ingrateful sucker. ( What he is, unfortunately. Wished there was a second way in Redcliff, too.)

[Invalidcode]

They have to & will help you against the Blight, but not a civil war against Eamon.



Just to make sure: We are talking about the a possible civil war against Eamon after the Blight is over right?