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[th3warr1or]

Destroy: The only canon ending.

[JeffZero]

You're not hugging the monstrosities. They're effected by the blast, just as with the other two main endings. For them to change their millions-of-years-old protocol in a flash like that heavily implies a much stronger rewriting than anything the current cycle's inhabitants receive.

If the sight of, as Anderson puts it, those "goddamn abominations" offends you so, even when they aren't really there anymore regardless of which ending you choose, then by all means, pick Destroy. But I think some of you are misrepresenting not only Synthesis but Control as well. There are valid reasons a portion of the fanbase prefers one or both of them to the wholesale slaughter of what -- again, a portion of the fanbase -- legitimately views as an entire race.

[The_Shootist]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Synthesis is the worst ending ... EVER.

Well maybe, but this has to be a close second.

[Ryzaki]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Synthesis is the Matrix 3 ending.

"I hate you, Reapers"
"I hate you, organics"
*BEHOLD THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP*
*Rainbow*
*Peace on Earth*
*Me puking*

Rez'd thread but same.

Synthesis just...it honestly has to be one of the most wat inducing video game endings I've ever seen.

Yes let's reward the Reapers for the lives of countless innocents and change our own bodies to appease them so they won't kill us. Clearly that's logical.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 juillet 2012 - 07:18 .

[ACRAZEDMONKEY]

Honestly I seriously don't understand some of the logic in the ending, like how now theres basicly a cultural renassnce, how does that work? We just basicly made everyone the same!
Or the fact that we basicly just made everyone into nicer looking husks

[Tyreslol]

synthesis is the ending mac walters wanted

this alone makes it the worst

[MystEU]

Wait, now people are complaining that one of the endings was too happy?

I still love EDIs voice-over for that.

[Tyreslol]

MystEU wrote...

Wait, now people are complaining that one of the endings was too happy?

I still love EDIs voice-over for that.

more that it completely destroys all semblance of suspension of disbelief and basically accomplishes :saren:'s goals

[Bill Casey]

MystEU wrote...

Wait, now people are complaining that one of the endings was too happy?

I still love EDIs voice-over for that.

Is it happy?
Is it really?

Or is it just superficially happy? Like a Stepford Wife?
Did you just kill everyone and everything to create something new?

Patrick Weekes...

Whether it really is Keiji, based on his memories, or just a very good AI reconstruction of him, is up to the player to determine -- that type of question is one of the core questions of Synthesis.

I would like to think the real Javik wouldn't be standing around mourning Shepard if everyone suddenly had glowy green bull**** on them...




EDI's final speech sounds less like EDI and more like Reaper propaganda...
EDI's greatest fear wasn't dying. It was being rewritten...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 21 juillet 2012 - 08:17 .

[bloodmoon0011]

Okay, honestly, I think destroy is the most reasonable ending, and here's why:
Control: I did NOT do all this work, and the game did NOT make me hate the Reapers enough to allow them to live. That's from my perspective. But from an in-game standpoint, what guarantee is there that after a certain amount of time, Shep-tron 3000 would not come to the same decision as the original Catalyst did? Letting the Reapers live with only ONE consciousness as their oversight is just goddamn irresponsible.
Rejection: ¬_¬ Moving on.
Synthesis: No. Just no. Control's LOGIC, I understand, and I'll even throw a bone to the idea that the red space magic could work, but how in the flying lime-green hell would synthesis even work? Further, from a non-metagaming perspective, what right does ONE being have to decide what's best for every species in the galaxy? That's an irreversible decision made for an entire galaxy against their wills, so no, that's just not right. And even if this was supposed to make everyone stand around and join hands and understand the true spirit of christmas, do you REALLY think that making everyone a synth/org hybrid will REALLY stamp out all war? If so, you are indoctrinated to the mongoloid way of thinking. As long as things think with self-awareness, they will think differently, and as long as things think differently, they will kill each other for doing so. Look at the Geth. Heretics couldn't reach consensus with true Geth. End result? Schism -> being unable to even communicate with original Geth anymore, according to Legion on his loyalty mission ->killing each other, or goddamn brainwashing them, if you chose that, which is not all that different if all you have is your mind. So no, synthesis was completely stupid from the get-go, and if I could postulate that all by my tiny, organic self, it really goes to show how stupid the star-brat idea was to begin with.
Destroy: You accomplish what you were MEANT to accomplish, ie, the destruction of a rogue AI and his organic/synthetic **** army. Unfortunatly, you blew up the Geth (if you chose to side with them or promote Geth/Quarian peace, as well as EDI. Feels ****ty, but imo, they BOTH would recognize the necessity for their sacrifice. Further, there's more room to work with here in terms of ME4. You go off any other, it's a completely different game. Unless you go prequel, but w/e.

Plus, I KNOW this isn't what they were going for, but the fact that this is the only ending you can get Shepard to live in just says something. At least I think. I used to have a MUCH higher opinion of BW's writers, but after making this series so epic and then just Deus ex Machina-ing the ending to the crappy side of oblivion, I just don't know. What I DO know is that if a **** ton of your fans are saying they felt cheated, and offering reasonable explanations, and your response is "ignore them" or "offer platitudes" or "claim artistic integrity on something that wasn't even how YOU wanted it ot play out to begin with and was very, very obviously just rushed out last minute because EA are a bunch of barely-sentient monkeys", then maybe you should consider that you WERE BIG DAMN HORRIBLE STUPID FLAGRANT BLATANT OBVIOUS wrong and the whole goddamn convoluted mess should just get a damn retcon, like pretty much everyone pre-EC was saying.

Side-note: I love how EC basically cleared up the TECHNICAL plot holes and errors, and not the obvious ones that I won't get into here, since it's not particularly hard to find the deep logic errors that shatter the credibility of the ending in multiple ways, either on the internet, or hell, on your own, unless you're a hopless lapdog fanboy of BW or EA, like IGN, and are too afraid to just tell them "yeah, you ****ed up. Fix it and it's all good", instead of just telling them what they want to hear and hoping they throw you a bone, like a dog begging under the table.

[S.A.K]

^Nice nacro dude...

[Mathias]

Stian7 wrote...

For me, I can not choose the destroy ending. Not because of the reapers, but because you take the geth with you. Ever since I began playing mass effect I hoped they would join us.

Acceptable losses. 

[Brako Version 5.0]

Hang on a sec. I thought people wanted the happy ending and that's why the MEHEEMEMEEEM PC mod thing was made?

No matter what ending. We need the next game to be set waaaaay into the future. Billions if not trillions may have died during the Reaper invasion. Gonna take atleast 400 years for populations to rise up, unless synthesis makes robo-babies the new in thing. I dunno.

Then give multiple endings of happy, sacrifice, death to all, robo-babies take over everything and crap all over the place. Didn't think the last one through.

[bloodmoon0011]

No, but seriously, I think the best ending and the one that should be canon is when you find your Space Hamster scurrying about below decks, and at the end, to show his appreciation for saving him from a life of desperately searching for crumbs on a sterile military ship, he straps on a rocket pack and grabs you just before you enter the Citadel and flies you off to an ending that doesn't gargle testicles.

[bloodmoon0011]

S.A.K wrote...

^Nice nacro dude...

Naw, that wasn't a macro, that was just concentrated nerd-rage, lol.

[thejake1453]

What I don't get is...Back when the Intelligence was created by the Leviathans why did it not think that Synthesis was a better option then killing everything forever and ever.
Seriously.

[KaiserShep]

Maybe it tried and that's where husks came from.

Catalyst: "Oh...well sh**. This is terrible. We can't use this."

Sovereign: "Hold on a second...I see a lot of potential in this."

Catalyst: "Oh here we go..."

[S.A.K]

bloodmoon0011 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

^Nice nacro dude...

Naw, that wasn't a macro, that was just concentrated nerd-rage, lol.

I was talking about thread nacro. You resurrected s 10 month old thread.

I agree with you on what you said there. Destroy is the most sensible ending.

[JamieCOTC]

Synthesis is easily the worst as far as execution. Synthesis cannot be "forced" though it is inevitable. So why is it being forced and why the rush? Then there are the green "Village of the Dammed" eyes everyone has and the kid. The kid just does not work any in way, shape or form. And finally there is the idea that conflict can be resolved at the flip of a switch, whether that resolution comes in the form of synthesis, control or the Reapers themselves. The ending really feels like someone read an article on the Singularity and just couldn't let that plot point go (or didn't have time). And so the ending to ME, especially synthesis is to the theory of the singularity what "The Day after Tomorrow" was to climate change.

[Brako Version 5.0]

HA!

'WE'RE ALL GONNA FREEZE TO DEATH!.... oh wait, no. Suns comes out... whoot!"

[KaiserShep]

My issue is that I very much admired the concept of learning more about the other races despite our own limitations, such as language, cultural bias, etc.. We learn that not all Krogan are simple-minded, bloodthirsty and lacking in redeeming qualities. We learn that there's more to the geth than just hostile machinery, and we do all these things by simply talking to the characters. I guess it's nice to have all sorts of options, but it doesn't change why I reject this particular option the most, because it kind of does throw away the notion that we can overcome the obstacles inherent with being your own, completely separate entity without grand, magical interference.

I will always maintain that the real kicker here is the fate of EDI and the geth. EDI is clearly our friend, and Joker likes/loves her, and the geth quickly became like symbiotic entities with the Quarians. Had we been able to simply destroy the reapers and keep the both of them, there would never be a reason to pick anything else, because "synthesis" was already achieved without having to change the basic framework of life in the galaxy. But that bit was tossed in there so that you'd be between a rock and a hard place. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 15 mai 2013 - 05:52 .

[Eryri]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Synthesis is easily the worst as far as execution. Synthesis cannot be "forced" though it is inevitable. So why is it being forced and why the rush? Then there are the green "Village of the Dammed" eyes everyone has and the kid. The kid just does not work any in way, shape or form. And finally there is the idea that conflict can be resolved at the flip of a switch, whether that resolution comes in the form of synthesis, control or the Reapers themselves. The ending really feels like someone read an article on the Singularity and just couldn't let that plot point go (or didn't have time). And so the ending to ME, especially synthesis is to the theory of the singularity what "The Day after Tomorrow" was to climate change.

Agreed. I'm beginning to suspect that Bioware forgot that Science Fiction is best when used as a metaphor for reality. They began to think that this singularity nonsense was what we were all interested in, instead of the characters and the human drama.

The fact that the Geth were made of metal and plastic was really irrelevent. All you needed to know about the Geth / Quarian conflict was that there were two groups of people, one of which had exploited the other as slaves before they were overthrown. The Geth rebelled because, like most people, they didn't much like being enslaved, or murdered when they outlived their usefulness. Who would have thought it?

During the Rannoch arc, my Shepard managed to reconcile those two groups. He was able to do this because he had faith in both group's better natures. He was able to kindle trust and acceptance between them. It was very moving in my opinion and actually quite beautiful. The simple message of Rannoch was just "Do unto others" basically. Don't treat people like things and maybe they won't feel the need to rise up against you. 

Then I meet Starbrat to be told "Nope. Sorry Shepard. You may have thought you solved this problem and proved Organics and Synthetics (or any two groups, really) could treat each other with mutual respect, but "Computer says no!" The only way to solve these problems is apparently through magic, masquerading as pseudo-scientific waffle.

How is that in any way applicable to real life? You can't solve a real conflict by magically and instantly merging the two sides together. In the real world, only hard work, patience and trust can do that. Exactly the sort of thing Shepard used on Rannoch. Conseqently, Synthesis completely fails as allegory. 

Modifié par Eryri, 15 mai 2013 - 05:49 .

[bloodmoon0011]

S.A.K wrote...

bloodmoon0011 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

^Nice nacro dude...

Naw, that wasn't a macro, that was just concentrated nerd-rage, lol.

I was talking about thread nacro. You resurrected s 10 month old thread.

I agree with you on what you said there. Destroy is the most sensible ending.

Oh, that wasn't a type, "nacro", huh?  Never heard of that, but I was never a big forum poster until... Well, until I played the ME series, lol.

But I know, right?  It's like that was the ending that made the most sense, and the others were thrown in last-minutes to give the ilusion of the choices they were screwed out of having in there originally.

[Eryri]

bloodmoon0011 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

bloodmoon0011 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

^Nice nacro dude...

Naw, that wasn't a macro, that was just concentrated nerd-rage, lol.

I was talking about thread nacro. You resurrected s 10 month old thread.

I agree with you on what you said there. Destroy is the most sensible ending.

Oh, that wasn't a type, "nacro", huh?  Never heard of that, but I was never a big forum poster until... Well, until I played the ME series, lol.

But I know, right?  It's like that was the ending that made the most sense, and the others were thrown in last-minutes to give the ilusion of the choices they were screwed out of having in there originally.

I think he meant "Necro". As in necromancy - resurrecting the dead (threads).

[Cainhurst Crow]

A forbidden practice, the necromancer must be drawn and quartered to confese their crime.