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[Sinapus]

Computron2000 wrote...

The words of all these "ignore objectives/revive" infiltrator idiots are so obvious.

Holy-Hamster wrote...
A) something that doesn't change the infiltrator much at all

Good for you!

Now now, we're being meanies by disapproving of his/her unholy glee at this so we should stop and let the little one gloat.

Or something.

[Lee80]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i never disputed that it was lessened, i just stated that regardless of the boost, its still a bigger boost than anyone else gets..
the classes that were made to use shotguns don't get anything that boosts shotgun dmg, therefore infiltrators are still better with shotguns than vorcha, even if the dmg boost was 10%.
80% is still amazing.
the fact remains that even with this dmg reduction, infiltrator is still by far the best shotgun class.

I never said it was broken.  I said for myself it isn't nealry as good an option anymore.  I'm not taking just the 10% reduction, because of the change I have to take duriation for the character to play the way I'm used to...so for me it's a change from 90% to 40%...that's a pretty big change.  is it still useable, sure, but is it less attractive then a sniper rifle with the level 6 evolution?  Indeed it is.  That's the only thing I was trying to say.  Honestly you seem to just want to argue for no apparent reason about something I stated as an opinion. 

[darkpassenger2342]

Lee80alabama wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i never disputed that it was lessened, i just stated that regardless of the boost, its still a bigger boost than anyone else gets..
the classes that were made to use shotguns don't get anything that boosts shotgun dmg, therefore infiltrators are still better with shotguns than vorcha, even if the dmg boost was 10%.
80% is still amazing.
the fact remains that even with this dmg reduction, infiltrator is still by far the best shotgun class.

I never said it was broken.  I said for myself it isn't nealry as good an option anymore.  I'm not taking just the 10% reduction, because of the change I have to take duriation for the character to play the way I'm used to...so for me it's a change from 90% to 40%...that's a pretty big change.  is it still useable, sure, but is it less attractive then a sniper rifle with the level 6 evolution?  Indeed it is.  That's the only thing I was trying to say.  Honestly you seem to just want to argue for no apparent reason about something I stated as an opinion. 

regardless of how big a change it is, it is still the best class with a shotgun.
so i guess you won't be using a shotgun anymore, because you dont get to do double dmg. fair enough.
i suppose to you, the other 5 classes are still worthless compared to infiltrator, and you will continue to play it for no other reason than advantages. point taken.
 I will continue to rock shotguns on non infiltrator classes, and win on gold, laughing every time i fire a shot  at how infiltrators are upset they got " gimped" when they still get to do almost double dmg.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 27 juin 2012 - 10:18 .

[Abraham_uk]

I find I am more useful as one of the other 5 classes than I am as an infiltrator.
Am I the only one on this thread who feels this way?

[Lee80]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Lee80alabama wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i never disputed that it was lessened, i just stated that regardless of the boost, its still a bigger boost than anyone else gets..
the classes that were made to use shotguns don't get anything that boosts shotgun dmg, therefore infiltrators are still better with shotguns than vorcha, even if the dmg boost was 10%.
80% is still amazing.
the fact remains that even with this dmg reduction, infiltrator is still by far the best shotgun class.

I never said it was broken.  I said for myself it isn't nealry as good an option anymore.  I'm not taking just the 10% reduction, because of the change I have to take duriation for the character to play the way I'm used to...so for me it's a change from 90% to 40%...that's a pretty big change.  is it still useable, sure, but is it less attractive then a sniper rifle with the level 6 evolution?  Indeed it is.  That's the only thing I was trying to say.  Honestly you seem to just want to argue for no apparent reason about something I stated as an opinion. 

regardless of how big a change it is, it is still the best class with a shotgun.
so i guess you won't be using a shotgun anymore, because you dont get to do double dmg. fair enough.
i suppose to you, the other 5 classes are still worthless compared to infiltrator, and you will continue to play it for no other reason than advantages. point taken.

Wild assumptions much?  I play engineer the most, though I do use all the classes from time to time minus Vanguard.  All the classes are great at doing certain things.  I change characters based on team mates and/or my mood.  

[Computron2000]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Lee80alabama wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i never disputed that it was lessened, i just stated that regardless of the boost, its still a bigger boost than anyone else gets..
the classes that were made to use shotguns don't get anything that boosts shotgun dmg, therefore infiltrators are still better with shotguns than vorcha, even if the dmg boost was 10%.
80% is still amazing.
the fact remains that even with this dmg reduction, infiltrator is still by far the best shotgun class.

I never said it was broken.  I said for myself it isn't nealry as good an option anymore.  I'm not taking just the 10% reduction, because of the change I have to take duriation for the character to play the way I'm used to...so for me it's a change from 90% to 40%...that's a pretty big change.  is it still useable, sure, but is it less attractive then a sniper rifle with the level 6 evolution?  Indeed it is.  That's the only thing I was trying to say.  Honestly you seem to just want to argue for no apparent reason about something I stated as an opinion. 

regardless of how big a change it is, it is still the best class with a shotgun.
so i guess you won't be using a shotgun anymore, because you dont get to do double dmg. fair enough.
i suppose to you, the other 5 classes are still worthless compared to infiltrator, and you will continue to play it for no other reason than advantages. point taken.

Those krogan shotgunners are definitely by far worse shotgun classes than the glass cannon... Suggest you play all the classes and actually learn about each class or you'll come off not really knowing what its about

[darkpassenger2342]

Lee80alabama wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Lee80alabama wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i never disputed that it was lessened, i just stated that regardless of the boost, its still a bigger boost than anyone else gets..
the classes that were made to use shotguns don't get anything that boosts shotgun dmg, therefore infiltrators are still better with shotguns than vorcha, even if the dmg boost was 10%.
80% is still amazing.
the fact remains that even with this dmg reduction, infiltrator is still by far the best shotgun class.

I never said it was broken.  I said for myself it isn't nealry as good an option anymore.  I'm not taking just the 10% reduction, because of the change I have to take duriation for the character to play the way I'm used to...so for me it's a change from 90% to 40%...that's a pretty big change.  is it still useable, sure, but is it less attractive then a sniper rifle with the level 6 evolution?  Indeed it is.  That's the only thing I was trying to say.  Honestly you seem to just want to argue for no apparent reason about something I stated as an opinion. 

regardless of how big a change it is, it is still the best class with a shotgun.
so i guess you won't be using a shotgun anymore, because you dont get to do double dmg. fair enough.
i suppose to you, the other 5 classes are still worthless compared to infiltrator, and you will continue to play it for no other reason than advantages. point taken.

Wild assumptions much?  I play engineer the most, though I do use all the classes from time to time minus Vanguard.  All the classes are great at doing certain things.  I change characters based on team mates and/or my mood.  

you stated in one of your initial posts that you only like to play optimal classes with the optimal skill set.
don't backtrack and then accuse me of wild assumptions, i am basing it off of what you said in the first place, not overstepping my bounds and jumping to conclusions. you basically said that shotgun infiltrator was no longer useful, because you have to spec for duration, and you are WRONG. you are still much better than every other class with a shotgun.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 27 juin 2012 - 10:23 .

[Snoopy1955]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

infiltrators spend more time reviving people thatn other jobs because they dump aggro onto others, causing them to die more often..
Its so funny so many people think they were the hero, when they were the assailant.
the game NEVER "NEEDED" infiltrators lol.
 look, i play infiltrator at times myself, I approve of these changes, they were necessary.
Never, at any time, did i ever think that victory hinged on it.
 theres nothing admirable about raising people when you participated in their death.
 infiltrators dont do any raising any other class wouldnt do, or is incapable of doing. its all about the player.

Well, I'll certainly have to have participated in their death now, because I have two seconds less distance between me and anyone I can save now. As an infiltrator who doesn't spam TC for damage, I am upset because my ability to help my team as an infiltrator is negatively impacted. I'm not saying that infiltrators are the only ones who can revive and do objectives, I'm just saying that since that is what I do with my infiltrator already, and that is all my infiltrator is really good at because I already take the durration to make me more effective at it, this two second reduction hurts me.

I don't like dying immediately after reviving someone who was half a map away from me. That is what is happening now. Your cries for balance have made me a less effective team player, and that is just fact. It isn't going to stop me from trying to do devices and revive people. It is going to stop me from smiling and saying nothing the next time someone on here goes off on infiltrators for "not doing their jobs". As everyone keeps saying here, obviously infiltrators aren't the only ones who can deactivate devices and revive people, and this change has certainly removed any doubt of that.

[darkpassenger2342]

Lee80alabama wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Lee80alabama wrote...

JackGradus wrote...

My only problem with the nerf is that it'll make bonus power even less popular than it was before.  You essentially have to choose the duration bonus in order to meaningfully use that power, and without the 40% bonus the power is naturally quite crippled compared to what it would've done pre-nerf.  Making bonus power builds even less viable compared to standard builds is not the way I would've gone, personally.

I agree.  The balance changes have really limited the viable options for Infiltrators for me.  Now I have to take duration (as I really do need more then 5 seconds to do what I like to do with the class) and now sniper rifles are the only viable weapon class.   I shall miss shot gun infiltrating.  yes I know some can and will still do so, but for me it just doesn't work anymore.  

how so??? you still get a bigger boost to shotgun dmg than ANY OTHER class, even the ones designed for shotguns?? so what if its not a huge multiplier anymore, its still better shotgun dmg than ANY OTHER class can achieve.

Note that I said for myself...  In my book shotguns are harder to use, and the pay off was worth it before when they did excellent damage...now the pay off is less and not worth it for myself.  I like to play the most optimal build of any given character I use.  SR are clearly the winner now.    As for that last part about any other class, that's really not something I'm sure on, but I will say that the Vorcha seem to do better with Shotty's then infiltrators to me.  -shrug- 

there it is.

[Lee80]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Lee80alabama wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Lee80alabama wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i never disputed that it was lessened, i just stated that regardless of the boost, its still a bigger boost than anyone else gets..
the classes that were made to use shotguns don't get anything that boosts shotgun dmg, therefore infiltrators are still better with shotguns than vorcha, even if the dmg boost was 10%.
80% is still amazing.
the fact remains that even with this dmg reduction, infiltrator is still by far the best shotgun class.

I never said it was broken.  I said for myself it isn't nealry as good an option anymore.  I'm not taking just the 10% reduction, because of the change I have to take duriation for the character to play the way I'm used to...so for me it's a change from 90% to 40%...that's a pretty big change.  is it still useable, sure, but is it less attractive then a sniper rifle with the level 6 evolution?  Indeed it is.  That's the only thing I was trying to say.  Honestly you seem to just want to argue for no apparent reason about something I stated as an opinion. 

regardless of how big a change it is, it is still the best class with a shotgun.
so i guess you won't be using a shotgun anymore, because you dont get to do double dmg. fair enough.
i suppose to you, the other 5 classes are still worthless compared to infiltrator, and you will continue to play it for no other reason than advantages. point taken.

Wild assumptions much?  I play engineer the most, though I do use all the classes from time to time minus Vanguard.  All the classes are great at doing certain things.  I change characters based on team mates and/or my mood.  

you stated in one of your initial posts that you only like to play optimal classes with the optimal skill set.
don't backtrack and then accuse me of wild assumptions, i am basing it off of what you said in the first place, not overstepping my bounds and jumping to conclusions. you basically said that shotgun infiltrator was no longer useful, because you have to spec for duration, and you are WRONG. you are still much better than every other class with a shotgun.

This is my last post to you, because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.  I said I like to use my characters with an optimal build...not that I like to use only optimal characters.  Also I should have gone into more detail on that, because I mean optimal to myself not on paper the very best build possible...because that is very subjective given that probably the best engineer would be the ones with Grenades and I hate grenades so yeah....I do have them on my male Quarian, because he just needs something, but I mostly use the geth or salarian engineer.  Geth with heal turret cause I want to stay alive and help my teammates.  yay for healing class.  

[eran5005]

Yeah i'm loving the change as well, can't have your cake and eat it anymore with infiltrator.
But i think the only place it will be noticeable is on Gold, Bronze & Silver usually are no problem even without an infiltrator.

[Computron2000]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...
you stated in one of your initial posts that you only like to play optimal classes with the optimal skill set.

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Lee80alabama wrote...
Note that I said for myself...  In my book shotguns are harder to use, and the pay off was worth it before when they did excellent damage...now the pay off is less and not worth it for myself.  I like to play the most optimal build of any given character I use.  SR are clearly the winner now.    As for that last part about any other class, that's really not something I'm sure on, but I will say that the Vorcha seem to do better with Shotty's then infiltrators to me.  -shrug- 

there it is.

You accuse the fella of ONLY using optimal classes. Guess what you quoted? Him/Her saying that he/she only likes to use optimal builds for ANY classes he/she uses.

And you say you're being wildly accused? Seriously?

[darkpassenger2342]

ironically, by leveling a M quarian infiltrator with shields instead of grenades you show us all you don't know how to build a character anyway. im glad you are done posting to me, you spent an hour contradicting yourself.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 27 juin 2012 - 10:35 .

[LordSerion]

What's the max duration now? Because if it's got lower, than the hack objectives will slaughter people way more.

[Tonymac]

I dunno yet - I am going to have to run around this evening with my INF and see if he can still put out the juice.

Scoreboards is all about e-peen in my opinion. They matter for nothing but chest thumping pride. As an Infiltrator, for me the pride part is - I got in there and saved so-and-so. I cannot tell you how many times I end up having to drop everything and go save someone from turrets or phantoms - or just a room full of bad stuff.

Do I come out on top score? A lot of the time, yes. A lot of games I run that are bronze and silver in randoms I double peoples score, roughly. Its a fun class to play - and its great to get in there and whup the enemy - or save peoples bacon. As an infiltrator I have saved many a game with revives, as well as killing a LOT of the enemy, sneaking up on unsuspecting turrets - that sort of thing. I think that anyone who likes the infiltrator and likes being a team player will tell you - we do it because we like saving people, and we love kicking butt. I go off on my own so I am not kill stealing. I also prefer my targets only reacting to me - much easier to predict what they are going to do.

However, if the developers want to make it so I cannot cloak as often, or reduce my cloaks duration, or my overall damage, then you will find the team player attitude on the drop-off. I'm not sure why you are taking a baseball bat to my testicles - I didn't do anything to you. When someone has a favorite class that they are a serious machine at playing - why do you kill that class? Are you so full of hate that you cannot stand anyone having fun? Is it the scoreboards?

Do you guys even play infiltrators? Stop hating and see what we have to do - cause if theres an objective, I'm ON it. I have to be - most people do not even try if there is an infiltrator in game. "Why am I on the objective - let the Salarian do it!"

Well, go ahead and nerf the class then - make it suck as bad as the other classes do. I won't be a team player, I won't save lives, and they can sit there dead and watch me solo the map.

[xandrian29]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

ironically, by leveling a M quarian infiltrator with shields instead of grenades you show us all you don't know how to build a character anyway. im glad you are done posting to me, you spent an hour contradicting yourself.

Can I ask you a serious question?  Are you actually mentally retarded, just stupid, or spoiling for an internet e-peen showdown?

Lee80alabama wrote...

I do have them [grenades] on my male Quarian,
because he just needs something, but I mostly use the geth or salarian
engineer.

Looks to me like they're QME has grenades.  Not once in any post did Lee80alabama claim to sacrifice grenades for shields.

I've read your entire exchange with Lee80alabama.  He/She never once contradicted anything they said.  They had to make several clarifying statements because you seem to have a hard time comprehending simple sentences.  You on the other hand misrepresented what was said by Lee80alabama on more than one occasion.

Modifié par xandrian29, 27 juin 2012 - 10:57 .

[kr3g]

My thoughts about new changes?

Revive yourself folks. 4 seconds my ass...

[Holy-Hamster]

Tonymac wrote...





Do you guys even play infiltrators? Stop hating and see what we have to do - cause if theres an objective, I'm ON it. I have to be - most people do not even try if there is an infiltrator in game. "Why am I on the objective - let the Salarian do it!"

Play infiltrator all the time.  Played like 10 games after the changes have gone through.  Revived teammates and did objectives just fine.  

Objectives - Look around, make sure the area is clear.  If it is surrounded by enemies, I dunno....shoot them?  If it's in an open area surrounded by enemies, then you're goign to need back up.  That's what the whole point of a team is.  But most of the time it's the same as usual, cloak to objective and go do it.

Reviving teammates - Don't just rush in like you're so used to doing.  Make sure you have an exit strategy or take down the enemies before you revive.  

People are so used to the crutch that is 8 seconds that they can't think outside of the box with only 4.  It's not that bad.  Infiltrators are STILL one of the most powerful classes.

Modifié par Holy-Hamster, 27 juin 2012 - 11:01 .

[billy the squid]

^Whilst I'm tempted to be vindictive and let players bleed out at my feet, I won't. But I always have my Infiltrators specced for sniper damage, the reductions I think are somewhat excessive, but I can still throw out huge damage with a Widow or Javelin. So, I don't actually loose out.

It's the chaps who sit in cover and wait for me to do objectives which are going to suffer. If they want to me to grab an objective, then they either need to provide one hell of a distraction or do it themselves. So I'm no longer putting my neck on the line doing every objective and reviving the team, as I actually can't now. And I don't see why I should respec my characters for everyone else's benefit by taking Tac cloak duration evolutions.

[darkpassenger2342]

actually, he complained shotgun infiltrators are broken, and they arent. if you cant keep up, maybe you shouldnt read so fast.
maybe you should try to make your own points instead of being a nosy neighbor with nothing important to say.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 27 juin 2012 - 11:04 .

[xandrian29]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

actually, he complained shotgun infiltrators are broken, and they arent.

No they didn't.  Again you misrepresent what they said earlier in THIS VERY thread on THIS VERY page.  I feel sorry for any teacher you've ever had... and your parents.

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

maybe you should try to make your own points instead of being a nosy neighbor with nothing important to say.

As this is a public forum, I don't NEED to raise my own points simply to question your motives for hostility towards another poster.  As far as your statement as having something important to  say: I would argue that twisting someones words for the better part of this page, just for the sake of starting an internet cat-fight, is about the most pointless thing a person could do.

Modifié par xandrian29, 27 juin 2012 - 11:14 .

[darkpassenger2342]

one day you might make a great hall monitor. until then, your words are little more than wasted space.

[xandrian29]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

one day you might make a great hall monitor. until then, your words are little more than wasted space.

Dude, just put your helmet on before you hurt yourself.

Have nice day!

[xtorma]

xandrian29 wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

ironically, by leveling a M quarian infiltrator with shields instead of grenades you show us all you don't know how to build a character anyway. im glad you are done posting to me, you spent an hour contradicting yourself.

Can I ask you a serious question?  Are you actually mentally retarded, just stupid, or spoiling for an internet e-peen showdown?

Lee80alabama wrote...

I do have them [grenades] on my male Quarian,
because he just needs something, but I mostly use the geth or salarian
engineer.

Looks to me like they're QME has grenades.  Not once in any post did Lee80alabama claim to sacrifice grenades for shields.

I've read your entire exchange with Lee80alabama.  He/She never once contradicted anything they said.  They had to make several clarifying statements because you seem to have a hard time comprehending simple sentences.  You on the other hand misrepresented what was said by Lee80alabama on more than one occasion.

chill my friend, you can get banned for this.

[Zaxares]

While my snipers are groaning at the nerfs, overall I have to say I like this change. Infiltrators basically now have to choose between duration and damage, which means more variety on the battlefield. Considering that the new Gear kinda makes damage a bit of an overkill anyway, most of my Infiltrators will now respec to duration.