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[DarklighterFreak]

played SI, top scored once again. A bit annoyed w the nerf, however, the damage nerf only made me take that 0.2 sec more lining up each shot to put the bullet right between the eyes. The duration.... that really fkd up. it was already short enough to put u in some trouble while doing objectives. Now.... let the krogan sentinel do it LOL

[InfamousResult]

Kick In The Door wrote...

 You think you hated us before? Haha! Just wait until I don't rez your ****** for running into the mob of banshees and brutes and objectives? Not my problem, all I care about is me!

Running into the mob of banshees? Sure, go ahead and ignore that guy. He was bad.

Running into the mob of brutes? Same thing. I wouldn't blame you for letting him just bleed.

Running over to the objective? What? Why does THAT person suddenly deserve to die?

[Fox-snipe]

CHAw wrote...

whateverman7 wrote...

this is what i dont understand about people being happy they changed infiltrators: why are you happy that bw is trying to dictate what characters we, the players, should play?....i dont use infilitrator like that, but so what if people picked infilitrator 33% of the time in gold matches? that's their choice....you, i, nor bw has the right to try to tell anyone what character, class, or weapons to use in the game...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

We prefer not to nerf weapons or abilities, but some strategies just become too dominant which hurts replayability. We want to make as many strategies as possible viable on all difficulty levels so the game stays fresh. The vast majority of balance changes have been attempts to bring up weaker strategies so they can compete with the stronger ones.

 

I can't tell if you're trying to counter whateverman7's statement, but the part I highlighted from Eric's quote has just been reversed thanks to the duration nerf.

[Edit]Maybe if you could activate Cloak while in the process of dealing with an objective it wouldn't be so bad.  Now there's not even any point in Cloak automatically disabling once an objective completes.

Instead, you now NEED your team to give some cover fire while working an objective, which does not help matters.  It will only attract additional enemies to that position.

Modifié par Fox-snipe, 27 juin 2012 - 12:15 .

[neteng101]

InfamousResult wrote...

Refusing to revive teammates is simply being spiteful.

So was people that called for a class to be nerfed because they got outscored, don't see how that's not spiteful behavior either.  Touche!

But I really don't condone just trying to ignore dying teammates...  given the window is much smaller though, it will take some timing and less of a blindly rushing to their aid now.  Might actually be an additional challenge.  Capping objectives will require more covering fire too.

Only thing is people will still complain, and probably more so now, as they'll see less frequent revives and jumping right at objectives.  Then again, whiners will always whine.  Maybe for the rest its all good, a good player can adjust somewhat to the changes.   A more sensible nerf would have been 6 seconds vs. 4 seconds though.

[Pitznik]

Kick In The Door wrote...

 You think you hated us before? Haha! Just wait until I don't rez your ****** for running into the mob of banshees and brutes and objectives? Not my problem, all I care about is me!

Yeah, it works both ways, unless you think you'll be immortal with your short cloak. Either don't rez me and don't get rezed yourself next time, or die trying to solo. We both lose gear and time, you realize that?

[macarius5]

will check it later, how the changes in TC affects my gameplay. Use TC mostly on damage boost.

[InfamousResult]

neteng101 wrote...

So was people that called for a class to be nerfed because they got outscored, don't see how that's not spiteful behavior either.  Touche!

Show me somebody who actually made that claim. Then you can have your touche.

During this ENTIRE debacle, I never saw scoreboard ever mentioned except by the people on the anti-nerf side of the argument. If you're just going to make baseless accusations, they can certainly go both ways, and I'll be happy to throw some back at you.

[ryoldschool]

Pitznik wrote...

Kick In The Door wrote...

 You think you hated us before? Haha! Just wait until I don't rez your ****** for running into the mob of banshees and brutes and objectives? Not my problem, all I care about is me!

Yeah, it works both ways, unless you think you'll be immortal with your short cloak. Either don't rez me and don't get rezed yourself next time, or die trying to solo. We both lose gear and time, you realize that?

Infiltrator is my favorite class in me3.   I don't think anyone wants their favorite class to get a nerf.   I mean you get excited when you just get a level 4 shotgun damage gear then you lose 10% the very next day.    Maybe it will drive some people from playing them - evidently that was bioware's purpose - since that was the concern they gave us.

[Yajuu Omoi]

rmccowen wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

"Don't expect us to help you", "don't expect us to carry you", blah blah blah.

You shouldn't have been able to carry an entire team in the first place. Good for Bioware, knocking this power down off it's glorified pedestal.

We couldn't carry before, we save you from heavies like we were MEANT to.

We saved you when you fell. like we were MEANT to.

But now we can't. And won't even try.

So, because you can no longer simultaneously do everything, you're going to do nothing instead? That seems... less than constructive.

What??

Didn't say anything like that. We were the support class. and now we can't do that. all we can do is sit in the back, hide behind everyone else, and peck at enemies. we can't revive you, can't cap your objectives, and can't snipe. what do you expect?

[Yajuu Omoi]

SquirrelWiz wrote...

Want to know the irony of the situation?

If a infiltrator goes for damage people will complain he isn't a team player.

If he goes for duration people will complain that his damage sucks and he's dragging the team down.

THIS

[Pitznik]

ryoldschool wrote...


Infiltrator is my favorite class in me3.   I don't think anyone wants their favorite class to get a nerf.   I mean you get excited when you just get a level 4 shotgun damage gear then you lose 10% the very next day.    Maybe it will drive some people from playing them - evidently that was bioware's purpose - since that was the concern they gave us.

Point is not to get rid of Infiltrators, but to stop people think that they can't win, or will have a hard time, without playing one. So everyone will pick a class/race based on his preference.

I think you won't even really ntice that nerf that much, and if it is too big, it can be always reversed, nothing is set in stone, and balance changes happen every week.

[InfamousResult]

I1 Trust wrote...

Both the infiltrator and multiplayer are dead for me until they fix this.

Alright, bye.

[Pitznik]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...


What??

Didn't say anything like that. We were the support class. and now we can't do that. all we can do is sit in the back, hide behind everyone else, and peck at enemies. we can't revive you, can't cap your objectives, and can't snipe. what do you expect?

Whatever you mean by support class, Infiltrator's weren't one. Being the most efficient in killing enemies (of all kinds) is hardly a support.

[Kel Riever]

I'm going to still take the Infiltrator and play. There clearly must be something wrong with me, because, well, I just don't sit in the corner with my Infiltrator and Krysae X, spamming shots all day long.

[Holy-Hamster]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

SquirrelWiz wrote...

Want to know the irony of the situation?

If a infiltrator goes for damage people will complain he isn't a team player.

If he goes for duration people will complain that his damage sucks and he's dragging the team down.

THIS

Or you can do both and still be awesome.  But that would require tactics.  You know the whole "tactical cloak" instead of "I WIN" button.  

If these changes affect you that badly then I'm sorry.

You sucked to begin with.  Time to find a new class or go back to silver.  

All this QQ is hilarious.  Play infiltrator 80% of the time and I love the changes. 

[Sousabird]

Cool Beans, I hope this doesn't ruin my Claymore wielding Quarian Infiltraitor

[Feneckus]

All that whining is pathetic.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

What exactly did Bioware do to the Infiltrator class?

[Kick In The Door]

InfamousResult wrote...

Kick In The Door wrote...

 You think you hated us before? Haha! Just wait until I don't rez your ****** for running into the mob of banshees and brutes and objectives? Not my problem, all I care about is me!

Running into the mob of banshees? Sure, go ahead and ignore that guy. He was bad.

Running into the mob of brutes? Same thing. I wouldn't blame you for letting him just bleed.

Running over to the objective? What? Why does THAT person suddenly deserve to die?

I'll admit, I'm a bit of a sensationalist.

I wanted in on the drama 

[Xytraz]

Playing Infiltrator on Gold I always chose Duration boosts for the Cloak to revive team mates and complete objectives I always got all four Nodes unless there was another Infiltrator and staying in the Hack and killing enemies before they could get too close to threaten the team.

Whiners have spited themselves since now I at-least, will be choosing a power build to make up for lost score, not doing the Node waves (Since I won't have a decent cloak duration) I also won't be risking myself to revive a team mate (Also since I won't have the cloak duration)

The main class for doing objectives originally were/still are Vanguards, can't sit still for 3 minutes, really?

[Kick In The Door]

Holy-Hamster wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

SquirrelWiz wrote...

Want to know the irony of the situation?

If a infiltrator goes for damage people will complain he isn't a team player.

If he goes for duration people will complain that his damage sucks and he's dragging the team down.

THIS

Or you can do both and still be awesome.  But that would require tactics.  You know the whole "tactical cloak" instead of "I WIN" button.  

If these changes affect you that badly then I'm sorry.

You sucked to begin with.  Time to find a new class or go back to silver.  

All this QQ is hilarious.  Play infiltrator 80% of the time and I love the changes. 

We get it! You're Solid Snake, you're Altair, you're the lightning! You run this s***! You're the man with the golden eyeball! 

Modifié par Kick In The Door, 27 juin 2012 - 12:32 .

[ryoldschool]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

What exactly did Bioware do to the Infiltrator class?

June 12
Hunter Mode Power
- Base damage bonus decreased from 10% to 5%
- Rank 3 damage bonus decreased from 5% to 2.5%
- Base vision range decreased from 20 meters to 15 meters
- Evolution 5 vision range bonus increased from 50% to 60% 

June 26

Tactical Cloak Power
- Base duration decreased from 8 to 4 seconds
- Evolution 1 duration bonus increased from 50% to 150%
- Base damage bonus decreased from 50% to 40%
- Evolution 6 sniper rifle damage bonus decreased from 40% to 25%