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[sp0ck 06]

Synthesis sacrifices individuality and things like revenge for the promise of a true evolution. EDI talks about having, through the Reapers, access to "unlimited knowledge" and possibilities, the chance to "transcend mortality." This comes at a cost, however. For one, you're basically doing what the Reapers want...however, if you buy what the Catalyst says, than the Reapers are not evil per se.

It's also arguably abandoning what it was that Shepard was fighting for...the belief that "each life is a special story," the value of life in of itself. The idea that life does not have to be progressing, there is inherent value just in the fact that it exists.

Its a question of what truly matters: life as it is, or striving towards life as it could be?

Personally, although its weird, I think its a great ending with the EC because it encourages *constructive* speculation and (if chosen) says lot about Shepard and what he has learned. I find there to be something just wrong about it but that doesn't make it a "bad" ending. If you don't like it choose a different ending....but even if I don't like it, some of my Shepard's might.

[forthary]

Synthesis was indeed inevitable. But not like this. It would have been different. People would have the option to choose to combine themselves with synthetic technology.

[nitefyre410]

sp0ck 06 wrote...

Synthesis sacrifices individuality and things like revenge for the promise of a true evolution. EDI talks about having, through the Reapers, access to "unlimited knowledge" and possibilities, the chance to "transcend mortality." This comes at a cost, however. For one, you're basically doing what the Reapers want...however, if you buy what the Catalyst says, than the Reapers are not evil per se.

It's also arguably abandoning what it was that Shepard was fighting for...the belief that "each life is a special story," the value of life in of itself. The idea that life does not have to be progressing, there is inherent value just in the fact that it exists.

Its a question of what truly matters: life as it is, or striving towards life as it could be?

Personally, although its weird, I think its a great ending with the EC because it encourages *constructive* speculation and (if chosen) says lot about Shepard and what he has learned. I find there to be something just wrong about it but that doesn't make it a "bad" ending. If you don't like it choose a different ending....but even if I don't like it, some of my Shepard's might.

 

Thats an interesting point about Synsthesis... I would pick it just to EDI/Tracia Helfer voice... oh god "DAT VOICE"   *feints*  

forthary wrote...

Synthesis was indeed inevitable. But not like this. It would have been different. People would have the option to choose to combine themselves with synthetic technology.

   

Maybe it is the ultimate end game but  you are it. Its should be up the everyone synthetics and organics to get there on there own.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 27 juin 2012 - 03:09 .

[Elite Midget]

NKKKK wrote...

tybbiesniffer wrote...

I didn't choose synthesis before the EC because I found it horrifying. After discussing it a little more with the catalyst in the EC, it seems even worse. I've never been a big fan of the idea that uniformity is good.

I didn't realize they were all dressed in red and marching down Earth? I saw all the species still being their respective selves.

For now. Eventually Synthesis will lead to its ultimate conclusion where everything will be the same. The change was still quite large even though it just occured, give it a few years and you wont even regonize the Krogan.

[Moofy76]

It doesn't mean uniformity at all.. just means that organics have become more "perfect" and that synthetics understand life.... synthesis is the ultimate evolution of life.

Don't make things up saying Krogans etc will change, that's jsut mumbo jumbo in your head lol.

Modifié par Moofy76, 27 juin 2012 - 03:12 .

[Vexille]

see... I dont understand how everyone goes, "BFFS?!?!" to the reapers who hours before were killing their friends and family...

the reapers kill TRILLIONS, wipe out civilizations and... face no consequences. I'm sorry but you expect me to believe the people whos lives and families were just destroyed by the reapers are going to just settle down with them?

I just cant imagine ever being happy with an ending where the reapers are not punished for the billions of years of pain and suffering they inflicted upon the galaxy.

[jli84]

Yes. Yes it is...

[MadRabbit999]

Yes OP.. they really look like they are in a living hell... things were so much better when there was wars,poverty, and sickness....

/sarcasm

Vexille wrote...

see... I dont understand how everyone goes, "BFFS?!?!" to the reapers who hours before were killing their friends and family...

the
reapers kill TRILLIONS, wipe out civilizations and... face no
consequences. I'm sorry but you expect me to believe the people whos
lives and families were just destroyed by the reapers are going to just
settle down with them?

I just cant imagine ever being happy with
an ending where the reapers are not punished for the billions of years
of pain and suffering they inflicted upon the galaxy.

Reapers are guns, they do not make choices, the Catalyst leads them.

You cannot blame guns for killing people, people(Catalyst) kill people right? :innocent:

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 27 juin 2012 - 03:30 .

[Moofy76]

Vexille wrote...
see... I dont understand how everyone goes, "BFFS?!?!" to the reapers who hours before were killing their friends and family...

the reapers kill TRILLIONS, wipe out civilizations and... face no consequences. I'm sorry but you expect me to believe the people whos lives and families were just destroyed by the reapers are going to just settle down with them?

I just cant imagine ever being happy with an ending where the reapers are not punished for the billions of years of pain and suffering they inflicted upon the galaxy.

It's not BFFs, I'm sure a lot of them would resent the reapers still, but the Reapers were controlled in some way.
What consequence would you like? Put in jail? Might as well put the Geth in jail too.. oh that's right they're helping the Quarians.. don't be happy with that ending then and just do the destroy option, which still isn't ideal really either.

Anyway Shephard is prety much a God in that ending with control ending.. which you must be referring to right?? The now serve Shepard.. he's making them work for him so it's like doing community work!
Synthesis enlightens everyone and gives them understanding and ultimate evolution.. they aren't going to be all sooky about what happened prior to then about who killed who.

[antares_sublight]

The circuit beards are AWESOME

[Ridwan]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Yes OP.. they really look like they are in a living hell... things were so much better when there was wars,poverty, and sickness....

/sarcasm

Vexille wrote...

see... I dont understand how everyone goes, "BFFS?!?!" to the reapers who hours before were killing their friends and family...

the
reapers kill TRILLIONS, wipe out civilizations and... face no
consequences. I'm sorry but you expect me to believe the people whos
lives and families were just destroyed by the reapers are going to just
settle down with them?

I just cant imagine ever being happy with
an ending where the reapers are not punished for the billions of years
of pain and suffering they inflicted upon the galaxy.

Reapers are guns, they do not make choices, the Catalyst leads them.

You cannot blame guns for killing people, people(Catalyst) kill people right? :innocent:

Cause turning green will make Steve magically forget that Joe slept with his wife.

[Vexille]

Moofy76 wrote...

Vexille wrote...
see... I dont understand how everyone goes, "BFFS?!?!" to the reapers who hours before were killing their friends and family...

the reapers kill TRILLIONS, wipe out civilizations and... face no consequences. I'm sorry but you expect me to believe the people whos lives and families were just destroyed by the reapers are going to just settle down with them?

I just cant imagine ever being happy with an ending where the reapers are not punished for the billions of years of pain and suffering they inflicted upon the galaxy.

It's not BFFs, I'm sure a lot of them would resent the reapers still, but the Reapers were controlled in some way.
What consequence would you like? Put in jail? Might as well put the Geth in jail too.. oh that's right they're helping the Quarians.. don't be happy with that ending then and just do the destroy option, which still isn't ideal really either.

Anyway Shephard is prety much a God in that ending with control ending.. which you must be referring to right?? The now serve Shepard.. he's making them work for him so it's like doing community work!
Synthesis enlightens everyone and gives them understanding and ultimate evolution.. they aren't going to be all sooky about what happened prior to then about who killed who.

so theres no justice or consequences in the "Synthesis utopia"?

its an amazingly bad ending that just gets worse and worse the second you put any thought into it

[MadRabbit999]

M25105 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Yes OP.. they really look like they are in a living hell... things were so much better when there was wars,poverty, and sickness....

/sarcasm

Vexille wrote...

see... I dont understand how everyone goes, "BFFS?!?!" to the reapers who hours before were killing their friends and family...

the
reapers kill TRILLIONS, wipe out civilizations and... face no
consequences. I'm sorry but you expect me to believe the people whos
lives and families were just destroyed by the reapers are going to just
settle down with them?

I just cant imagine ever being happy with
an ending where the reapers are not punished for the billions of years
of pain and suffering they inflicted upon the galaxy.

Reapers are guns, they do not make choices, the Catalyst leads them.

You cannot blame guns for killing people, people(Catalyst) kill people right? :innocent:

Cause turning green will make Steve magically forget that Joe slept with his wife.

Obviously Synthesis does not just turn people green, I didn't think I had to specify that....

It obviosuly alter's people mind and perception, creating a general awareness of one another, the proof is when we see the reaper stop attacking and the soldiers not cheering (They kind of go "Mhe"), it's like they do not see the point of fighting one another anymore.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 27 juin 2012 - 03:36 .

[Vexille]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Yes OP.. they really look like they are in a living hell... things were so much better when there was wars,poverty, and sickness....

/sarcasm

Vexille wrote...

see... I dont understand how everyone goes, "BFFS?!?!" to the reapers who hours before were killing their friends and family...

the
reapers kill TRILLIONS, wipe out civilizations and... face no
consequences. I'm sorry but you expect me to believe the people whos
lives and families were just destroyed by the reapers are going to just
settle down with them?

I just cant imagine ever being happy with
an ending where the reapers are not punished for the billions of years
of pain and suffering they inflicted upon the galaxy.

Reapers are guns, they do not make choices, the Catalyst leads them.

You cannot blame guns for killing people, people(Catalyst) kill people right? :innocent:

Cause turning green will make Steve magically forget that Joe slept with his wife.

Obviously Synthesis does not just turn people green, I didn't think I had to specify that....

It obviosuly alter's people mind and perception, creating a general awareness of one another, the proof is when we see the reaper stop attacking and the soldiers not cheering (They kind of go "Mhe"), it's like they do not see the point of fighting one another anymore.

makes sense, they were all brain washed and had their free will stolen

[antares_sublight]

It's all nonsense. If it actually worked the way BioWare wrote it, there would be massive species extinction of flora and fauna across the galaxy.

The introduction of totally new material into ALL organic life from the macro to the micro, material that requires increased energy usage, would result in a massive upheaval of all ecosystems.

As one simple example among the countless problems: Think about organic decay. Now all organic life has "synthetic" components, does it all decay? does it act like a pollutant on certain planets? that's a massive amount of new material pumped into every ecosystem, the evolutionary balance of life everywhere has been totally turned upside down.

Are processes that gave rise to species based on their evolutionary niche, like pollenation, still around? How many species have lost their evolutionary place in existance now?

[MadRabbit999]

Vexille wrote...

makes sense, they were all brain washed and had their free will stolen

If that was the case they would not bother rebuilding their culture (Krogans for instance) Or rebuilding societies at all.

It does not make you a mind slave, and I cannot tell you what it does, nobody can, becasue it is not explained, but I think it is like a more gentle, and less devastating form of lobotomy.... imagine as if everyone was high 24/7, ever seen how those people can get along and be happy all day no matter what?

[Vexille]

antares_sublight wrote...

It's all nonsense. If it actually worked the way BioWare wrote it, there would be massive species extinction of flora and fauna across the galaxy.

The introduction of totally new material into ALL organic life from the macro to the micro, material that requires increased energy usage, would result in a massive upheaval of all ecosystems.

As one simple example among the countless problems: Think about organic decay. Now all organic life has "synthetic" components, does it all decay? does it act like a pollutant on certain planets? that's a massive amount of new material pumped into every ecosystem, the evolutionary balance of life everywhere has been totally turned upside down.

Are processes that gave rise to species based on their evolutionary niche, like pollenation, still around? How many species have lost their evolutionary place in existance now?

the more you think about the synthesis ending, the dumber it gets

[ThePasserby]

 I regard the Synthesis ending as the wishful-thinking of a naive and philosophically shallow writer. This ending is the poster child for polishing a turd.

[MadRabbit999]

antares_sublight wrote...

It's all nonsense. If it actually worked the way BioWare wrote it, there would be massive species extinction of flora and fauna across the galaxy.

The introduction of totally new material into ALL organic life from the macro to the micro, material that requires increased energy usage, would result in a massive upheaval of all ecosystems.

As one simple example among the countless problems: Think about organic decay. Now all organic life has "synthetic" components, does it all decay? does it act like a pollutant on certain planets? that's a massive amount of new material pumped into every ecosystem, the evolutionary balance of life everywhere has been totally turned upside down.

Are processes that gave rise to species based on their evolutionary niche, like pollenation, still around? How many species have lost their evolutionary place in existance now?

Yes, and the Threshermaw, to support a life of that size would require an ammount of oxygen to survive in the atmosphere,  that would be fatal to humans and other species a like. What about mass fields, do we want o talk about those? How about Faster than light speed? This is not science, it is Science-FICTION.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 27 juin 2012 - 03:45 .

[Master Xanthan]

Alexlightning wrote...

I just watched it, I was grossed out when I saw jokers arm.

This was disterbing on so many levels, there eyes turned green.
not to mention that you just mutilated everyone in the galaxy. shephard is the biggest molester in history.

many people will commit sucide, there was a good thread on this before EC.
you just violated everyone in the galaxy, some people have commited suicide after gaining 30 pounds, you just changed there dna, they are now glowing and have flashlights in there eyes!

this will end in mass sucide and paranoia.

is this what bioware considers a "happy" ending, its disgusting and immoral.
this is beyond words, it is incomprehensively bad writing. this is worse then before EC.

before EC we had no idea what it did, now we see it and it is terrible.

I cant even fathom who would choose this.

The EC didn't suggest that any of the characters would commit suicide. It looked like peace to me. Though the one husk becoming synthesized was weird, though.

[antares_sublight]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Yes, and the Threshermaw, to support a life of that size would require a level of oxigen that would be fatal to humans and other species a like. This is not science, it is Science-FICTION.

First of all, that's not true at all. Go sum up the masses of all the elephants, rhinos and other large land animals and then compare that to the single large life form on that entire planet. Secondly, you emphasized the wrong part of SCIENCE-fiction. It's supposed to be somewhat believable under some stretched circumstances.

[sp0ck 06]

antares_sublight wrote...

It's all nonsense. If it actually worked the way BioWare wrote it, there would be massive species extinction of flora and fauna across the galaxy.

The introduction of totally new material into ALL organic life from the macro to the micro, material that requires increased energy usage, would result in a massive upheaval of all ecosystems.

As one simple example among the countless problems: Think about organic decay. Now all organic life has "synthetic" components, does it all decay? does it act like a pollutant on certain planets? that's a massive amount of new material pumped into every ecosystem, the evolutionary balance of life everywhere has been totally turned upside down.

Are processes that gave rise to species based on their evolutionary niche, like pollenation, still around? How many species have lost their evolutionary place in existance now?

Seemed to me like it would only affect sentient life, not plants and such.  I saw synthesis more as a merging of consciousness and awareness rather than physical transformation.  The green stuff was kind of dumb, IMO.  But what the Catalyst says:

"Organics strive for perfection through technology, synthetics strive for understanding"

To me this implies that synthesis fuses the understanding of organic life, self awareness, emotion, with the logical perfection of a synthetic mind, opening a new level of consciousness that is above petty feelings of anger, regret, jealousy, but still maintains the organic sense of value in life and one another.

So for everyone saying "every1 would be pissed at the reapers and there would be no peace," synthesis would put everyone on a level above such impulses.

[MadRabbit999]

antares_sublight wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Yes, and the Threshermaw, to support a life of that size would require a level of oxigen that would be fatal to humans and other species a like. This is not science, it is Science-FICTION.

First of all, that's not true at all. Go sum up the masses of all the elephants, rhinos and other large land animals and then compare that to the single large life form on that entire planet. Secondly, you emphasized the wrong part of SCIENCE-fiction. It's supposed to be somewhat believable under some stretched circumstances.

Yes because Treshermaws are the size of rhino or elephants....

You are the one wrong, check out dinosaurs, the level of oxygen required to support their giant mass was much higher than the one we have today on earth, and some theorizes quite possible lethal. Why do you think everythign was huge in the preistoric age, including insects? Because there was more oxygen.

How can you find ME Fields and FTL Speed credible, and   the rework of DNA not? (Which is something nowdays people experiments on). Is like saying, I beleive in blue magic, and yellow magic, but purple magic would be totally impossible, it makes no sense!

Also, it makes NO sense, that in a galaxy with, trillion and trillions of planets, only about 7 have achieved space flight... that is BS, and it was only sone because you cannot possible create so many species for a game without  making it a clusterf**k like starwars. Not to mention on how you can clean the galaxy of debris and trash elft by the previous civilization without living a single trace apart form the stuff burried under the ground.... have you got any idea how long would take for the reapers to searhc on every planet of the galazy and take away all buildings, infrastructures and any evidence of advanced civilizations?

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 27 juin 2012 - 03:58 .

[antares_sublight]

sp0ck 06 wrote...
Seemed to me like it would only affect sentient life, not plants and such.  I saw synthesis more as a merging of consciousness and awareness rather than physical transformation.  The green stuff was kind of dumb, IMO.  But what the Catalyst says:

Except not only does the Catalyst say ALL organic life, the game goes out of its way to show plants with circuit patterns.

sp0ck 06 wrote...
"Organics strive for perfection through technology, synthetics strive for understanding"

To me this implies that synthesis fuses the understanding of organic life, self awareness, emotion, with the logical perfection of a synthetic mind, opening a new level of consciousness that is above petty feelings of anger, regret, jealousy, but still maintains the organic sense of value in life and one another.

So for everyone saying "every1 would be pissed at the reapers and there would be no peace," synthesis would put everyone on a level above such impulses.

The game goes out of its way to say and show that it's a physical change for organics.

MadRabbit999 wrote...

antares_sublight wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Yes,
and the Threshermaw, to support a life of that size would require a
level of oxigen that would be fatal to humans and other species a like.
This is not science, it is Science-FICTION.

First of
all, that's not true at all. Go sum up the masses of all the elephants,
rhinos and other large land animals and then compare that to the single
large life form on that entire planet. Secondly, you emphasized the
wrong part of SCIENCE-fiction. It's supposed to be somewhat believable
under some stretched circumstances.

Yes because Treshermaws are the size of rhino or elephants....

You
are the one wrong, check out dinosaurs, the level of oxygen required to
support their giant mass was much higher than the one we have today on
earth, and some theorizes quite possible lethal. Why do you think
everythign was huge in the preistoric age, including insects? Because
there was more oxygen.

Hoe can you find ME Fields and FTL Speed and the reqork of DNA not? (Which is something nowdays people experiments on)

That's why I said "go SUM up the masses". There is one threshermaw, whose mass does not outweigh the mass of animal life on earth. The sum of dinosaur masses alive at any given time would be vastly larger than that one threshermaw.

I don't think you actually read what I wrote. I'm saying the instant addition of synthetic material causing a drastic, instantaneous modification of DNA would by all means be a devastating event on galactic life and ecosystems.

[MadRabbit999]

antares_sublight wrote...

I don't think you actually read what I wrote. I'm saying the instant addition of synthetic material causing a drastic, instantaneous modification of DNA would by all means be a devastating event on galactic life and ecosystems.

Then why not worry about the economy in the galaxy? We cannot have a stable economy on our planet, let alone how complex and fragile would be spanning out through hundreds of planets... do you really think they would ever recover the market crash that the reaper would bring upon them?

Again, it's a sci-fi story, you cannot make sense of everything.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 27 juin 2012 - 04:01 .