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[spirosz]

It's an interesting concept. but I was laughing when I saw the husk and alliance soldier looking at each other, they might as well been holding hands and singing some Beatles songs.

I don't like the idea of it being forced upon people and I don't like that it seems all rainbows and sunshine, happy-happy bull**** because there would be no need for the other endings, when this one is clearly related to a Utopia future with no drawbacks. All I see is more efficient killers for the future to deal with.

Anyway, I understand the idea of it, I just don't agree with it.

[antares_sublight]

MadRabbit999 wrote...
Then why not worry about the economy in the galaxy? We cannot have a stable economy on our planet, let alone how complex and fragile would be spanning out through hundreds of planets... do you really think they would ever recover the market crash that the reaper would bring upon them?

Again, it's a sci-fi story, you cannot make sense of everything.

Economic devastation is not comparable with a radical upheaval of the fundamental makeup of all life in the galaxy. Synthesis is pure nonsense, it's indefensible. You can be ok with that and wave it off as science fiction, but you have no basis to try and defend it in any way.

[zambot]

The great thing about synthesis is that it's space magic. With space magic, you can make anything happen. With your space magic, people commit suicide. With my space magic, people are all permanently wearing Google glasses and surfing the web while walking down the street.

[Tankcommander]

Shallyah wrote...

That's what synthesis has always been. The EC didn't change anything, just made it more graphical.

The husk....the husk! *Shudders*

[Abreu Road]

I still don't like Synthesis. Final step on evolution is the end of evolution. I don't like this concept.

But EDI made the ending bearable and I might say, very enjoyable. Her voiceover was very good and also the text was good to. When she hugs the LI is also a good scene, and you could kind of see that she was crying - a organic "quality", we might say.

Still, I would not choose Synthesis for any of my characters. I would just assume that Destroy does not kill EDI or the Geth that I help to achieve peace and that makes a perfect ending for me. I think I had the right to ignore Bioware cluster**** once and a while.

[Seryl]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

... but I think it is like a more gentle, and less devastating form of lobotomy....

That's the ending you're defending? Really?

Gee whiz, where do I sign up? When you put it like that, how could anybody possibly have any problems with it?

[MadRabbit999]

antares_sublight wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...
Then why not worry about the economy in the galaxy? We cannot have a stable economy on our planet, let alone how complex and fragile would be spanning out through hundreds of planets... do you really think they would ever recover the market crash that the reaper would bring upon them?

Again, it's a sci-fi story, you cannot make sense of everything.

Economic devastation is not comparable with a radical upheaval of the fundamental makeup of all life in the galaxy. Synthesis is pure nonsense, it's indefensible. You can be ok with that and wave it off as science fiction, but you have no basis to try and defend it in any way.

Just like you do not have any basis in proving that it is possible to go faster than light speed, so none of these stuff can be proved... seriously you need to enjoy it for what it is not try to read logic into fictional events.

You know how big does a comet crashing on earth need to be to destroy all life? About the size of an aircraft carrier... so why the reapers did  smash themselves into earth at FTL? Even just 1 reaper would have been enough to extinguish all life.... again, because it is FICTION.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 27 juin 2012 - 04:14 .

[TJX2045]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

Sythesis is horrifying and will be forever flawed. The premise is organics kill synthetics because they are different. Humans kill humans and they are the same. So, making the same does not stop war. Unless you removed their emotions and free will. At that point they are machines without individual personalities. Case closed.

I think the idea is that synthesis gives everyone some degree of connection and shared understanding, meaning war would be less likely because conflict is borne of disconnection and lack of understanding.

Yeah.  It's not genocidal like many people originally thought.  The Catalyst explains more in depth if you ask him: "Organics seek perfection through technology.  Synthetics seek perfection through understanding."

That's all Synthesis does.  Makes Organics perfected and Synthetics fully understand.

He says later that they tried similar things before (possibly like Saren did) but the conflict remained and organics were not ready.

[fainmaca]

Tankcommander wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

That's what synthesis has always been. The EC didn't change anything, just made it more graphical.

The husk....the husk! *Shudders*

I'm just waiting for all the 'Husky the Husk for Squadmate/LI' threads to start popping up.

[richard_rider]

fainmaca wrote...

Tankcommander wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

That's what synthesis has always been. The EC didn't change anything, just made it more graphical.

The husk....the husk! *Shudders*

I'm just waiting for all the 'Husky the Husk for Squadmate/LI' threads to start popping up.

It's not Husky the Husk, it's Howard the Husk.

Modifié par richard_rider, 27 juin 2012 - 04:25 .

[tanuki]

It's creepy and laughable (because of it's stupidity) at the same time.

Synthesis looks like Bioware tried too hard to make it look utopian and good (as it's undoubtedly their favorite ending) to the point of nausea.
It's basically ponies puking rainbows, so where are all these people who yelled that happy endings are not realistic in the mature game like ME3? I wanna see what they say about synthesis now.

And also I agree with those who said people was brainwashed. Besides, all husks are now "synthesized" among everybody else and are sentient again... and that thought alone is very disturbing if one willing to take it seriously.

[DKJaigen]

So having access to unlimited knowledge, understanding and the chance to transcend into something far greater is creepy? really humanity is doomed

[Tankcommander]

Abreu Road wrote...

But EDI made the ending bearable and I might say, very enjoyable. Her voiceover was very good and also the text was good to. When she hugs the LI is also a good scene, and you could kind of see that she was crying - a organic "quality", we might say.

Still, I would not choose Synthesis for any of my characters. I would just assume that Destroy does not kill EDI or the Geth that I help to achieve peace and that makes a perfect ending for me. I think I had the right to ignore Bioware cluster**** once and a while.

Yup.

[Comsky159]

Yeah it was even more disurbing than I first thought. Not worth it.

[MisterJB]

DKJaigen wrote...

So having access to unlimited knowledge, understanding and the chance to transcend into something far greater is creepy? really humanity is doomed

People fear change.
Notice how Destroy that simply returns the Galaxy to the status quo is the most adored ending.

Modifié par MisterJB, 27 juin 2012 - 04:36 .

[MattFini]

Synthesis is a terrifying wasteland of abominations.

[o Ventus]

DKJaigen wrote...

So having access to unlimited knowledge, understanding and the chance to transcend into something far greater is creepy? really humanity is doomed

Transhumanism is nice, but not when it's forced onto people who may otherwise not want it. Never mind that knowledge and understanding can be accumulated by other means.

[MisterJB]

Ashley_82 wrote...

It's creepy and laughable (because of it's stupidity) at the same time.

Synthesis looks like Bioware tried too hard to make it look utopian and good (as it's undoubtedly their favorite ending) to the point of nausea.
It's basically ponies puking rainbows, so where are all these people who yelled that happy endings are not realistic in the mature game like ME3? I wanna see what they say about synthesis now.

And also I agree with those who said people was brainwashed. Besides, all husks are now "synthesized" among everybody else and are sentient again... and that thought alone is very disturbing if one willing to take it seriously.

The Husk proves Synthesis brings about a new age and that with it comes wonders (limitless knowledge) and horrors.
Still, that poor man could probrably be reconstructed.

With that being said, I do think Bioware went overboard with the happyness in all three Paragon endings. It's like they feared if they showed the more bleak consequences of all choices, people would rage again.

[Felene]

Just saw this synthesis joke on the other thread, too funny.

annihilator27 wrote...

anorling wrote...

Indeed. It is clearly biased toward synthesis. Happy happy joy joy The techno-zombies are here!

Stargazer: "And then the Reapers decided to stop murdering billions after billions and everyone suddenly became best friends forever instead"!
 
Deluded kid: Oh look! It's Harby The Friendly Reaper teaching the children about ancient civilizations. Now everything is forgiven"
 
Harby: "HOOOONK! There is a realm of adventure and fun times so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it little one!"

Lmfao, I can imagine Harbinger doing that. Harbinger "The Shepard was my best friend"

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

So having access to unlimited knowledge, understanding and the chance to transcend into something far greater is creepy? really humanity is doomed

Transhumanism is nice, but not when it's forced onto people who may otherwise not want it. Never mind that knowledge and understanding can be accumulated by other means.

This.

[tardis_type_40]

DKJaigen wrote...

So having access to unlimited knowledge, understanding and the chance to transcend into something far greater is creepy?

I don't know about any of this creepy talk -- I haven't actually taken the ending yet -- but I reckon if forcing a genetic change on every lifeform in the universe doesn't give you pause, then something is slightly off kilter about your moral compass.

As I've said before, it isn't the idea of Synthesis that bothers me, it's the notion that Shepard would make that decision for everyone else in the universe that rubs me wrong. The character I played through three games would never choose Synthesis while there are other options available.

[TJX2045]

I don't know about you, but I'd rather transcend than continue an endless conflict. Not that Synthesis fully solves all conflicts, that's still an issue I have with the ending, but it solves most of them and is better than the original ending.

To the people who say they are under mind control...who is controlling them? Shepard? It's basically made everyone like the Geth consensus. No one is under mind control. People share understanding.

I think the reason many people still dislike Synthesis is that they assume it is a New World Order style mind control...I originally thought it was but I see no indication of someone puppeteering them.

[Tal_Elmar]

Synthesis is not just terrifying..it's disgusting. EDI sounds like a communist propaganda and everyone looks..no, not even like husks, but like creepy zombies.

Would you think there are no suicides? No wars between husks and once-organics? That everyone would just accept what Shep done? An idealistic wishing

[TJX2045]

laecraft wrote...

Their minds have been altered too, so they now think that glowing like that is perfectly normal.

The final evolution of species has no suicidal thoughts. They're perfect, and they know it.

Listen to this guy.

Stop speculating.  I did.  My head hurts less.  They wrote it so that everyone is perfect and no one is suicidal or under mind control.  Sounds impossible, sure, but it's their prerogative.  They aren't changing the ending.  Just let it go...or choose destroy.

There's plenty of other stories that have impossible endings too.  At least it makes some sort of sense now.

Modifié par TJX2045, 27 juin 2012 - 05:03 .