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[WYLDMAXX]

Javik will not take synthesis well and more likely kill himself.  I can not let the last Prothean die on my watch. 

[TJX2045]

WYLDMAXX wrote...

Javik will not take synthesis well and more likely kill himself.  I can not let the last Prothean die on my watch. 

Speculaton. 

[Blacklash93]

o Ventus wrote...
Transhumanism is nice, but not when it's forced onto people who may otherwise not want it. Never mind that knowledge and understanding can be accumulated by other means.

Ideals and concern for the opinions of others are nice too, but ultimately people will learn to deal with this change and, if the end is any indication, how it transformed them into something better than they were.

We can look at what Synthesis would really be like and the logistics behind such a transhumanism occurence... or we can look at what it actually is in the context of the MEverse, which is nothing but beneficial.

[MisterJB]

Tal_Elmar wrote...
Would you think there are no suicides? No wars between husks and once-organics? That everyone would just accept what Shep done? An idealistic wishing

So? Life is not perfect, it will never be.
However, Synthesis brings great advantages that would not be possible otherwise. For one, peace and cooperation with the Reapers.

[arkhine]

It was forced on them but the game seems to set this up as the 'happy solution to all problems' ending.

[billida]

it is even more disgusting than before.
the green eyes on a baby krogan is way beyond creepy. they have fought to make babies again, and now, they will have hybrids babies.

the writer who thought about synthesis as the utopian ending has serious issues. It looks like ethnical cleansing through uniformisation. Horrible.

[fainmaca]

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

So having access to unlimited knowledge, understanding and the chance to transcend into something far greater is creepy? really humanity is doomed

Transhumanism is nice, but not when it's forced onto people who may otherwise not want it. Never mind that knowledge and understanding can be accumulated by other means.

This.

Exactly. I mean, wasn't that somewhat the point of what Mordin said in ME2 about limitations? Knowledge and advancement needs to be gained on our own terms, not forced upon us by the person who happens to find the button to do so. What Synthesis is is the end of culture and the beginning of stagnation. I also hate the way EDI's perspective (Pinocchio much?) is almost like a propaganda speech to promote the ending. Diversity is what makes us great, and with this ending we lose the entire synthetic and organic perspectives, replacing them with the homogenised middle path.

[o Ventus]

MisterJB wrote...

Tal_Elmar wrote...
Would you think there are no suicides? No wars between husks and once-organics? That everyone would just accept what Shep done? An idealistic wishing

So? Life is not perfect, it will never be.
However, Synthesis brings great advantages that would not be possible otherwise. For one, peace and cooperation with the Reapers.

Control does the same thing in regards to the Reapers.

But, y'know, small details.

[MisterJB]

Control could be seen as continuing the enslavement of entire species as well as giving ultimate power to a single individual.

[Taboo]

I''ll be honest. This new ending has made me dislike Synthesis even more. You're going to a hard time defending it.

It is the Idealist's wet dream, a cop out, you refuse to believe that people can coexist due to differences.

You do not believe all people are inherently equal, and that means...

[o Ventus]

MisterJB wrote...

Control could be seen as continuing the enslavement of entire species as well as giving ultimate power to a single individual.

And Synthesis could be seen as mass genetic rape and drivings of mass suicide, followed by a small ground war between the husks and the hybrids.

I'll take the former.

[MisterJB]

Hardly, it enables synthetics to understand organics and organics to compete with synthetics.
That is it. No one is made the same, no one is brainwashed. The Paragon version has utopian undertones because Paragon Shepard promoted peace and cooperation but the same thing also happens in Paragon Destroy.

Even EDI admits that this is a chance for a better world, not a certainty.

[Tal_Elmar]

MisterJB wrote...

Tal_Elmar wrote...
Would you think there are no suicides? No wars between husks and once-organics? That everyone would just accept what Shep done? An idealistic wishing

So? Life is not perfect, it will never be.
However, Synthesis brings great advantages that would not be possible otherwise. For one, peace and cooperation with the Reapers.

better let people choose their own path. Peace with the Reapers? Perhaps. But will there be peace and prosperity in all Galaxy, like shown in the slide-show? I doubt it. Either this, or all races were brainwashed at the same time some 'robotic DNA' was inserted into them

[TJX2045]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I''ll be honest. This new ending has made me dislike Synthesis even more. You're going to a hard time defending it.

It is the Idealist's wet dream, a cop out, you refuse to believe that people can coexist due to differences. 

But it's not a refusal to believe that people can coexist with differences.  Like the catalyst explained, Organics want perfection through technology (we all want things simplified; otherwise there wouldn't be smartphones); Synthetics want to understand the meaning of everything and what life is like as an organic.  They are still different and are unique races and all, they just have a common goal and understanding of one another...

Isn't that what we all would really want in real life?  To understand each other so there is no war?  Sure we could do that without Synthesis, but in the ME world, Synthesis just made it happen faster and 100%.

o Ventus wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Control could be seen as continuing the enslavement of entire species as well as giving ultimate power to a single individual.

And Synthesis could be seen as mass genetic rape and drivings of mass suicide, followed by a small ground war between the husks and the hybrids.

I'll take the former.

 
So you'd rather continue the cycle?  I'll take utopia or destruction of all synthetics over that anyday, thank you very much.

Modifié par TJX2045, 27 juin 2012 - 05:19 .

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Control could be seen as continuing the enslavement of entire species as well as giving ultimate power to a single individual.

And Synthesis could be seen as mass genetic rape and drivings of mass suicide, followed by a small ground war between the husks and the hybrids.

I'll take the former.

I'll take Destroy and rebuild the Geth. And EDI.

[Bomma72]

To those who chose synthesis, would you want this decision forced on you? Also imagine afterwards there you are making peace with a husk who had just been your wife or child. It is too disgusting to contemplate.

On the other hand this is why the EC works (Good Speculation for everyone.)

[o Ventus]

MisterJB wrote...

Hardly, it enables synthetics to understand organics and organics to compete with synthetics.
That is it. No one is made the same, no one is brainwashed. The Paragon version has utopian undertones because Paragon Shepard promoted peace and cooperation but the same thing also happens in Paragon Destroy.

Even EDI admits that this is a chance for a better world, not a certainty.

So you can interpret Control as one thing, but my interpretation of Synthesis is wrong?

Please tell me I'm not the only one seeing this double standard.

[MisterJB]

That was meant for Taboo and his claim Synthesis removed diversity.

[ioannisdenton]

i ll play the idiot: OP what is Synthisis????

[Shadow_Phoenix]

I think Synthesis is getting misinterpreted. From what I can tell, every race is still unique, otherwise the slide show would be showing everyone in the same outfits and all intermingled with one another. All that has changed is that they have been synthetic and organic are one. Meaning that organics can interface with technology, not just read a the information on a monitor. Geth, on the other hand, is a little more confusing. Did they get organic bits? Probably not. I would say it's as the star child said and they have an understanding of organics. I think that can be interpreted in many ways, but I think that means they can now think like their fleshy counterparts. Either way, a Geth is still a Geth, and Krogan still kick ass. I'm sure they will even have conflicts in the future when personal beliefs conflict, much like the Geth had their own civil war.

However I do find the ending disturbing on certain levels. The fact the star child say there is no choice but to destroy, control, or synthesis makes me want to chose the newest option and let the new species decide. The lack of choice for all species is terrifying in some ways, but when it comes down to the options.

The Red ending destroys all synthetic life, so Shepard now has to kill Edi and the Geth as well as the enemy. Depending on your shepard you might be alright with that, but I know a paragon would never murder an ally if they had another option. Not only that but the star child prophetic vision of organics being destroyed by future synthetics is a real possibility. That or a new race of reapers could be made to keep the balance, and thus the cycle continues.

The Blue ending is basically becoming the enemy. This ending is more appealing, as Shepard lives on in some form. However the Commander is a Reaper now, carrying their knowledge as well as his/her own. If knowledge is power and power corrupts, then it could be said that the words in the new, extended endings echos a slightly tyrannical feeling. Even if that were not the case, the Reaper-Shep might come to the decision that the cycle of wiping out advanced life must continue while observing the synthetic/organic conflicts that may come to pass. Thus the cycle continues again.

I've already discussed the green ending a little, but this one does end the cycle completely with both Organics and Synthetics ending and becoming the "final evolution." That disturbs me more than the lack of choice for all. As the late great Mordin Solus would have said "No evolution means stagnation, no progress, no better than collectors." I take this to mean that synthetic and organics becoming the same thing, and then continuing to evolve in a new final form, but it's still not a pleasant thought that all life will get lazy and then destroyed by something else ready to move up the food chain. Regardless, as the Starchild said, Synthesis is inevitable, though I think it would have been nice for everyone had a choice.

[o Ventus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'll take Destroy and rebuild the Geth. And EDI.

Me too. I was referring strictly between Control and Synthesis.

[MattFini]

Nothing in Synthesis tells me how it could concretely prevent another genophage, for example, so everyone jumping up and down for peace seems a bit naive.

[Taboo]

MisterJB wrote...

That was meant for Taboo and his claim Synthesis removed diversity.

I said nothing of diversity.

You make people understand each other. That's a forced change. Nice work, you have done what no authoritarian in the past has been able to do, force an understanding.

That's absurd.

[MisterJB]

MattFini wrote...

Nothing in Synthesis tells me how it could concretely prevent another genophage, for example, so everyone jumping up and down for peace seems a bit naive.

Synthesis is meant to prevent conflicts that are specific between organics and synthetics. It doesn't affect how two organic races might view or act towards each other.

[Taboo]

MisterJB wrote...

MattFini wrote...

Nothing in Synthesis tells me how it could concretely prevent another genophage, for example, so everyone jumping up and down for peace seems a bit naive.

Synthesis is meant to prevent conflicts that are specific between organics and synthetics. It doesn't affect how two organic races might view or act towards each other.

LOLWUT?