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[o Ventus]

They gain the knowledge and understanding of EVERYONE; all past generations and all species as well as the knowledge of the reapers.  Since going with Synthesis means in your game it was the only solution, everyone understands why.

Irrelevant. If a mass murderer offers you superpowers, would you be wary, or just take it?

[Taboo]

Yes. Yes. Please keep presenting Synthesis this way. You dig your own grave.

[gert56nom]

Reaper synthesis opinions by mass effect characters

"No, No glands, replaced by tech, no digestive system replaced by tech, No soul, replaced by tech, Whatever they were gone forever. Understand now

No art , no culture, closer to husks than slaves, tools for reapers, protheans dead, collectors just final insult."

"The reapers are repulsive, they are devoted to nothing but self-preservation, "

characters willing to die than go along with reapers, every time I see synthesis I remember these

[Wulfram]

If Shepard in Control counts as being dead, despite an AI with his thoughts and memories still existing, shouldn't the same logic apply to EDI in Synthesis?

She is changed into a new being. This new being may like what she is, but was it worth the murder of the old EDI?

[TJX2045]

o Ventus wrote...

They gain the knowledge and understanding of EVERYONE; all past generations and all species as well as the knowledge of the reapers.  Since going with Synthesis means in your game it was the only solution, everyone understands why.

Irrelevant. If a mass murderer offers you superpowers, would you be wary, or just take it?

This is irrelevant because the writers made the story so that is not even anything worth bothering with.  They wrote it in a way that Synthesis brings peace.  All the others bring peace too but Synthesis is the only one that keeps everyone alive and at peace without sacrificing your anti-cycle beliefs or sacrificing all synthetics.

I don't understand why we're even going back and forth over this.  It's not worth it.  They're not changing the ending.  Might as well just go with it.  You still bought the game, you still have it.  Either throw it away or just shrug and choose your other options when you replay it.

I for one believe that Synthesis is better than it was and I am not going to ruminate and speculate over these endings anymore.  Less frustration and headache over the most poorly handled controversy I've seen in my entire life.

Modifié par TJX2045, 27 juin 2012 - 05:53 .

[MisterJB]

gert56nom wrote...
"No, No glands, replaced by tech, no digestive system replaced by tech, No soul, replaced by tech, Whatever they were gone forever. Understand now

No art , no culture, closer to husks than slaves, tools for reapers, protheans dead, collectors just final insult."

Because, if technology is used for evil, it can never be used for good?
Looking at the distinct cities created by the different species, it is obvious their retained their "soul".

"The reapers are repulsive, they are devoted to nothing but self-preservation, "

EDI was partially wrong. The Reapers were devoted to the preservation of organics species. As they themselves were the last testimony of their respective species, it is no wonder self-preservation would be a concern.

Modifié par MisterJB, 27 juin 2012 - 05:54 .

[tanuki]

Oh, and EDI sounded preaching and brainwashed too<_<
"We are all happy now and building new future together and our friends Reapers help us with their infinite knowledge"

[Jadebaby]

Tekkez wrote...

Synthesis doesn't even belong in the ME universe, shouldn't be an option.

It's so stupid and painful to see.

And the cataylst pretty much saying 'Synthesis is great, pick it, pick it now, it's the best choice and everyone will be happy for ever and ever' is ridiculous.

Destory is fine by me. All the races can keep their uniqueness and keep going on with life as if it was pre-Reaper once everything is fixed.

this^

[gert56nom]

a memorial plaque on a wall is a testimony of a persons respective life,

freedom is something you can pass on

Modifié par gert56nom, 27 juin 2012 - 06:04 .

[LTKerr]

Tekkez wrote...

Synthesis doesn't even belong in the ME universe, shouldn't be an option.

It's so stupid and painful to see.

And the cataylst pretty much saying 'Synthesis is great, pick it, pick it now, it's the best choice and everyone will be happy for ever and ever' is ridiculous.

Destory is fine by me. All the races can keep their uniqueness and keep going on with life as if it was pre-Reaper once everything is fixed.

+10000

[WYLDMAXX]

MisterJB wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
Are you legitimately implying that you think it isn't forced?

It's forcing synthetics to understand organics. It is not forcing synthetics to act a certain way towards organics.
It could even be that it is simply giving emotions to synthetic like EDI demonstrates and nothing else.
Knowledge is not as deadly as ignorance.

Geth are at peace with Quarians.EDI is envolving on her own. What is need for Synthesis again?

[DarthSliver]

I personally did destroy ending, ill probably watch the others on youtube for now. At this time i just dont have any plans to beat it again anytime soon. I am in the state that the EC shouldve been on the disc and not as an extra add on because of how disgusting its original state was at.

[Unschuld]

TJX2045 wrote...

I don't understand why we're even going back and forth over this.  It's not worth it.  They're not changing the ending.  Might as well just go with it.  You still bought the game, you still have it.  Either throw it away or just shrug and choose your other options when you replay it.

No, it's not about changing the endings. Its about letting people know that it's bad and they should feel bad.... oh hell, picture time.


 
 

[fainmaca]

I'm going to describe my feelings on Synthesis in a way that may be more relatable than an entire rewrite of the entirety of creation at the basest of levels.

I'm a redhead, among the minority of hair colours. We get a fair amount of flack over it (kick a Ginger day, people?) What's more, there has been some speculation that we are going extinct, being pushed out by other, more commonn hair colours.

Now, what if someone looked at those facts and decided that the best way to solve these two problems (the persecution and impending extinction) of gingers was to arbitrarily and above all permanently cause our hair colour to change, so that one day I woke up with black or brown hair, without asking my say in the matter? Sure, they did it out of good intentions, but it'd still be a violation of my right to choose what happens to my own body. i might experience the benefits of never having any slurs hurled at me in the street, and I'd certainly stand out less among my peers, but it'd still be a violation of my very being. Now picture that increased tenfold when its not just my hair, but my very genes that were changed. I can't imagine anything more repulsive. I wouldn't thank the person who did that, i'd resent them. Worse, i may end up hating them, and this new body that isn't my own.

How many of you out there have something about your body that makes you YOU? Piercings? tattoos? Freckles? What would you do if someone removed them 'for your own good'?

Have fun with your Reaper future. i choose the future on my own terms.

[I_Jedi]

Alexlightning wrote...

I just watched it, I was grossed out when I saw jokers arm.

This was disterbing on so many levels, there eyes turned green.
not to mention that you just mutilated everyone in the galaxy. shephard is the biggest molester in history.

many people will commit sucide, there was a good thread on this before EC.
you just violated everyone in the galaxy, some people have commited suicide after gaining 30 pounds, you just changed there dna, they are now glowing and have flashlights in there eyes!

this will end in mass sucide and paranoia.

is this what bioware considers a "happy" ending, its disgusting and immoral.
this is beyond words, it is incomprehensively bad writing. this is worse then before EC.

before EC we had no idea what it did, now we see it and it is terrible.

I cant even fathom who would choose this.

You may notice that there are no husks around during and after the slides.

And yes, I did synthesis originally, and I did it again.

[Sidewinder_617]

TJX2045 wrote...

 You know what's funny, actually?  Everyone loved their newfound knowledge and no one killed themselves.  And everyone was at peace.


The end.

You, my friend, just summed up why so many people on this distressed world shudder at the very idea
of a galaxy devoid of factions, prejeduices, races or even origin. "if there's no one to poke at, no one to hate,
then what's the point to life?" they ask. well, go out and try hate and fight everyone and see how that goes.
Maybe then you'll see what we're so pleased with this "horrific" outcome.

[Vexille]

EDI is also the ultimate unreliable narrator... of course it was a good change for her... she was a glorified fleshlight before the flash, shes as biased as they come. I would have liked to hear the opinion of the organics on this change... they were the ones who would actually notice getting violated on a molecular level.

I mean... the reapers kill trillions of people, destroy countless civilizations and in the end nothing bad happens to them? Looks like theres no justice in this utopia either

[Balek-Vriege]

Vexille wrote...

EDI is also the ultimate unreliable narrator... of course it was a good change for her... she was a glorified fleshlight before the flash, shes as biased as they come. I would have liked to hear the opinion of the organics on this change... they were the ones who would actually notice getting violated on a molecular level.

I mean... the reapers kill trillions of people, destroy countless civilizations and in the end nothing bad happens to them? Looks like theres no justice in this utopia either

From what we find out about the Catalyst and the Reapers (which each Reaper would know of post Crucible), is that the Catlayst was fully in control of them.  They were not allowed to truly think for themselves save for carrying out the cycles.  Although they stored the intellect, memory, culture and knowledge of their respective races, they were as much a tool as a husk is.  Were they truly guilty of genocide or is it the Catalyst?  I say the Catalyst.  Even the Catalyst describes them as being like a flame.  Just because it burns does not make it evil since its just carrying out its natural purpose:  The Catalyst's purpose.

Post Synthesis they are given new purpose and individuality.  They would actually be the wisest and smartest beings around with them finally being "unshackled."  You could say Synthesis frees them from the cycles just as it does any other race.

Synthesis is all about restitution, not retribution.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 28 juin 2012 - 03:41 .

[priestess of blood]

OP, this is what the Synth ending always was, they just explained it in more horrifying detail.

[d-boy15]

this song is fit for synthesis ending, heard it from "meet the pyro" of TF2

[priestess of blood]

d-boy15 wrote...



this song is fit for synthesis ending, heard it from "meet the pyro" of TF2

Haha it does fit, even the visuals for meet the pyro work with Synth in peoples minds, and Synth in reality

Modifié par priestess of blood, 28 juin 2012 - 04:06 .

[Bomma72]

The outcome is not what is wrong with the ending, though that to me reminded me of a North Korea propaganda tape. It is the execution. No one not even Sheppard has the right to change someones body without there permission even if it is for the right reasons. It is morally and ethically wrong.

It kind of scares me that people don't understand that.

[Kileyan]

ShadowJ20 wrote...

It was a little creepy with the green lighting but it had the best outcome. Control looked creepy.

IMHO the synthesis option is the control option for organics. We all get implanted with a bunch of tech, crap gets wired into our brains, we all think hivemind happy thoughts. We are the friggin borg with slackjawed smiles on our face because we don't know any better.

[davo058]

Synthesis is that evil and hopeless super villian plan that wants humanity to evolve or reach its destiny etc. It's exactly why i choose Destroy. I didn't just fight for all organic life to go and ruin it all with some science experiment.

[Aylyese]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

But but they're all smiling...it must be good! Right?

No.. Because those are the exact same smiles/images in the Control and Destroy endings, making them utterly irrelevant. Bioware has learnt nothing. When you want someone to replay for a different ending, you flaming well give them a different ending. FFX2 copped a lot of criticism, but I will take its "A, B or C Endings that everone gets" over this A, A or A ending that everyone gets.

Ok, I am being a little unfair to EC, there are some bigger differences between endings now than there was before, but they were the ones that promised at least this in the first place. That it is still poorly executed makes me realise that as a game developer, Bioware got lucky picking up a decent enough story. That it allowed it to be completely screwed in their care shows what rank amatuers they really are.