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[Imryll]

Unlike some, I was really pleased to have an older woman as a possible party member.  What's pleased me much less is her stereotyping.  Perhaps dialogue that I've yet to encounter will change my opinion, but at this point I'm feeling disappointment.  Older women are as individual as any other group of people. DA offers two opposing stereotypes: the witch (Flemeth) and the ultra-nurterer, Wynne.

Having an older woman offer advice is fine, but why not more helpful and perceptive (and possibly entertaining) advice?  I'll grant that her comments on the pitfalls of romance with Alistair provide useful foreshadowing (although somewhat less useful when your character has just said to her, "You know about me and Zevran?"), but having her whine about the noise you and Zev are making and having someone who has spent her life guiding apprentices be unable to see that Zev might have more than one thing on his mind, just places her too neatly in a box. Unless wicked, old ladies advocate doing one's duty and avoiding sex.

And why so many references to old bones and spring chickens?  Seriously, do the writers' older female acquaintances talk like that?  And do they speak in ... such ... a ... measured ... way?   You established early on that Wynne's white hair and slightly lined face were the products of age. Other than when necessary in establishing her nature as a spirit vessel, why keeping hammering on the age key when you could have introduced more individual qualities?

P.S.  Flemeth was great.  

[sarahbau]

I liked Wynne at first. She was in my party for a pretty long time, until she started preaching to me (especially about things I didn't even say/do!). I think she asked me about what I thought about being a Grey Warden. I said it meant protecting Ferelden and serving the people, or something like that. She then went on a rant about how I need to think of others instead of doing it all for my own glory. I also didn't like that she opposed my relationship with Alistair. I replaced her with Morrigan after that.

[chessnut0]

Wynne's character is not perfect, but IMHO she is more tolerable than Morrigan. To me the swamp-witch is a real b**** and I can't wait to replace her with Wynne. Anybody who disapproves when I try to help orphans against monsters has no place by my side.

[XOGHunter246]

They should of made more evil characters like morrigan for evil pc annoying seeing morrigan disapproves this she disapproves that and everybody else approves vise versa

[Freckles04]

I like Wynne. I think she's a much-needed voice of guidance for the young Wardens. A moral compass, so to speak. I never found her advice jarring, because it was always intended in the best manner.



And as for stereotyping...I think people should look beyond the surface. Have you heard the "where babies come from" banter between her and Alistair, yet? She's got a mischievous streak, for sure.

[Imryll]

I suppose I posted in part because I've seen so many younglings post that they don't want an old lady in their party, and I feel that Bioware really missed an opportunity of including a character who was first herself and secondly a non-standard demographic. Instead, I feel we got a demographic with a quirk (spirit vessel).

Edit: No I've not heard that banter between Alistair and Wynne.  I'll look forward to it.

Modifié par Imryll, 14 décembre 2009 - 07:16 .

[houdinimachine]

I think Wynne is the way she is because of the spirit inside of her. She still shows the occasional mischievous streak though especially around Alistair or Oghren. That said, I hope the next old lady in a Bioware game acts more like Betty White's character from Boston Legal as opposed to her character from Golden Girls.

[Thiefy]

I think she was made to be the way she is because all your other party members have the option to be mischevious, misguided or too pragmatic.



I think she is supposed to be the lawful/good moral compass. Alistair may want to be, but is too yonug and involved in certain events to have the necessary objectivity (is that a word?) for some scenes.

[T-Kay]

Wynne's personality is sort of motherly and never really bothered me. Especially funny moments between her and Alistair. The one thing that did bug me about her is her initial list of spells. It's horrible and she really doesn't learn anything useful until the later stages in the game. She's definitely gimped in the damage department.

[Phex]

Well... Wynne knows quite a bit about alcohol and could probably take on Ohgren in a drinking contest. How's that for a break from the stereotype box?



I think Wynne is great.

[XOGHunter246]

bet she was a right little morrigan in her days

[Chragen]

Wynne has a totally different side to her, but you only really see it in the party banter. Towards the PC in general conversation she tends to me the more wise old woman who tries to give you advice and guide you.

Would have been fun to see the other shades of her personally in conversation with the PC. Though I personally like her non the less. She is one of the few characters that talk to you and don't just answer your questions.

[Riot Inducer]

Wynne is alright her advice can be nice (or annoying) depending on your character, but it does sometimes feel like the age card gets thrown about too much sometimes. We get it, Wynne is old by Ferelden standards and she should already be dead by all accounts, let it go.



The thing that really turns me off about her though is her disapproving of any romance you engage in. I really wanted a dialogue option to go off on a rant at her for that. Seriously no matter your origin you've had nothing but hardship and loss since the beginning of this journey and now you find some happiness (and stress relief) amidst everything and the old bat wants to nag you out for that?

[Imryll]

Interesting ... she's been pretty quiet when I've included her in parties. It may well be that I've coincidentally missed her more charming moments.

[The Angry One]

I like Wynne, and like that an older woman is in the party.

But for god's sake I wish she'd stop acting like she was 90 with her "old bones" and "past my time" and all that. I know you're old, stop reminding me in every single conversation!

[Chragen]

Imryll wrote...

Interesting ... she's been pretty quiet when I've included her in parties. It may well be that I've coincidentally missed her more charming moments.

She has some cool banter with both Oghren and Zevran, but there's not a lot of banter so it does get pretty quiet.

[The Angry One]

Makes you wonder what kind of spirit is in her. Sure she says it's a spirit of faith, but that's based on nothing but.. er.. faith.

Betcha she actually has a spirit of free love.

[robertthebard]

Well, she is old, and she's spent a larger portion of that old being a teacher/mentor to mages. Old habits die hard, and that's the way I take that part of her personality. She's not falling into a stereotype, she's old enough to be the reason for the stereotype.

[Herr Uhl]

imported_beer wrote...

She later admits she was wrong. How many characters do that?

Gregoir, Jowan, Branka and Loghain right off the bat.

[The Angry One]

Herr Uhl wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

She later admits she was wrong. How many characters do that?

Gregoir, Jowan, Branka and Loghain right off the bat.

Alistair (multiple times), Avernus, Bryce, Zathrian (well after being beat up)...

[Imryll]

Well, she's had the opportunity to be witty with Oghren, Alistair, and Zev, but hasn't done so. Perhaps the AI is trying to create a rift between us.



And now I'm curious ... just how old is she meant to be? I was thinking 60ish (whatever the Ferelden equivalent would be), but perhaps she is meant to be older?

[The Angry One]

imported_beer wrote...
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About your ROMANCE?!!

That's rather a moot point since virtually nobody speaks to you about your romances aside from those who are jealous/being cheated on.

Modifié par The Angry One, 14 décembre 2009 - 07:58 .