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[Urdnot Amenark]

MetioricTest wrote...

And did anyone else notice that the new Stargazer looks/sounds like an asari? O_o

Yeah, I totally noticed that myself. I liked the twist they put into the ending so it wouldn't seem so similar; I got tired of hearing Buzz Aldrin anyway.

[The_Shootist]

chemiclord wrote...

Grubas... I would readily agree that shooting the Catalyst triggering the "refuse" ending IS a slap in the face to the bitter, whiny fans who demanded Bioware change the ending to cater to their complaints.

Difference is, I think those fans deserved to get slapped, so I'm okay with it.

Crap in, crap out.

Fact: No one will make bumperstickers that say, "Shepard Lives". Too bad, that.

[clennon8]

JohnTheJohn wrote...

What did you all expect when you picked refuse? "Oh the entire game they've told us that we need the crucible cause the reapers can't be defeated conventionally, but I'm sure they were just pulling our leg"

Jamie9 wrote...

A random BSN-er plays Mass Effect 3.

Every character in that game told him he couldn't beat the Reapers conventionally.

Goes ahead and tries to beat the Reapers conventionally.

Cycle dies.

A random BSN-er plays Mass Effect 3.

Every character in the game (other than indoctrinated villains) told him the Reapers must be destroyed.

Goes ahead and picks Synthesis. Gets "best" ending possible.

Proceeds to tell people that picking Refuse is stupid because it goes against everything they were told throughout the game. 

[Goldark77]

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

And did anyone else notice that the new Stargazer looks/sounds like an asari? O_o

Yeah, I totally noticed that myself. I liked the twist they put into the ending so it wouldn't seem so similar; I got tired of hearing Buzz Aldrin anyway.

No offense to Buzz Aldrin, whom I respect very greatly, but there's a pretty clear reason why Buzz Aldrin is an astronaut and not a voice actor.

Every time he says, 'my sweet,' it breaks me completely out of the immersion.  Ugh.

[Blue Gloves]

Good post OP- I rather liked the refuse ending, though only one of my Shepards was so squeaky that she'd actually go for it. I've only done two playthroughs,and I'm a destroyer all the way- but that's kinda the point, that the EC actually prompted me to do a replay w/ my other favorite Shep, when previously, I'd thought that I'd never play it through again. The non extended ending just left me feeling too hollow. I still think synthesis is utterly ridiculous because I refuse to believe that science will EVER quantify the human "spirit" beyond isolating chemical signals and genetic markers for certain traits, but at least they attempted an explanation for their odd space magic. I still think control is too risky b/c Shep clearly can't trust the catalyst for one and for two she will no longer be human and how can she know that she'll never decide reaping makes sense? At least we get to see the suddenly sunshiney, happy go lucky, lend a hand reapers rebuilding the galaxy in true, girl scout shepard fashion now, though.

So really, it's just like you said: Could it have been better? Yes, definitely it could, and probably should, have. Does it render Mass Effect unplayable like the original endings? No, and I'm actually looking forward to the new DLC now.

[Phydeaux314]

I didn't like the refusal ending. Oh, I understand why people would, and it's a similar reason why I'm not a fan of Synthesis, but I still thought that both destruction and control in the EC were quite well done.

That doesn't mean I like the consequences of them, or that I didn't wish it was a little more "sweet" and a little less "bitter" but I still vastly prefer it to the original material.

Anyway. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[MetioricTest]

Galbrant wrote...

Refusal is Bioware spiting their fans, The fact you can trigger the scene by shooting the catalyst speaks volumes on their intent. Why waste time inputting a code just to trigger that scene? The catalyst was just a hologram he can't be hurt, but he throws a hissy fit and kills everybody. because Shepard decided to take a pot shot at him. Don't get me wrong I still pick refusal every time, well if I can ever get up the energy to even do my second playthrough. The sad part is though Refusal is better than the other three garbage they called endings.

chemiclord wrote...

Grubas... I would readily agree that
shooting the Catalyst triggering the "refuse" ending IS a slap in the
face to the bitter, whiny fans who demanded Bioware change the ending to
cater to their complaints.

Difference is, I think those fans deserved to get slapped, so I'm okay with it.

I really don't agree with/understand this trail of thought.

Why would they go to the effort of creating a brand new unadvertised ending including nice touches like So Be It! A new Stargazer scene, Liara's message and the fact you did in the end stop the Reapers.

Wouldn't a bigger insult be not giving that option at all? Or giving it but scrapping the new Stargazer/Liara/So Be It and just saying "Everbody dies."

It just seems crazy to me to say "They spent time, effort and money on this free DLC to insult us!" and it seems even crazier to imagine anyone on Bioware/EA's staff being okay with adding insults to an already unhappy fanbase.

If it was an insult, it's one of the worst constructed ones I've ever seen because I wasn't insulted by it in the least and found it entertaining. Meanwhile it cost them time, effort and money to employ.

JohnTheJohn wrote...

What did you all expect when you
picked refuse? "Oh the entire game they've told us that we need the
crucible cause the reapers can't be defeated conventionally, but I'm
sure they were just pulling our leg"

I wasn't expecting anything in terms of a new ending. I was expecting the Catalyst to reiterate that the crucible is my only option and continue to force me into the 3 choices. I actually said this in my opening post.

[Urdnot Amenark]

Goldark77 wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

And did anyone else notice that the new Stargazer looks/sounds like an asari? O_o

Yeah, I totally noticed that myself. I liked the twist they put into the ending so it wouldn't seem so similar; I got tired of hearing Buzz Aldrin anyway.

No offense to Buzz Aldrin, whom I respect very greatly, but there's a pretty clear reason why Buzz Aldrin is an astronaut and not a voice actor.

Every time he says, 'my sweet,' it breaks me completely out of the immersion.  Ugh.

He is better than Jessica Chobot though. She's more monotone than Mark Meer, and that's saying something.

[MetioricTest]

He is better than Jessica Chobot though. She's more monotone than Mark Meer, and that's saying something.

I love the conversation where she explains how her home was destroyed because it had a factory that made binoculars.

It was supposed to be sad and endear you to her but she delivered it in such a bad/uncaring way that it became hilarious. Especially bouncing off Shepard (especially the more emotional Femshep voice) who is actually doing a good job of relflecting sadness at what's she's saying.

[mauro2222]

The cheap plot solution is still there, in the form of a kid, so no... EC just added a turd over a turd.

[Urdnot Amenark]

MetioricTest wrote...

He is better than Jessica Chobot though. She's more monotone than Mark Meer, and that's saying something.

I love the conversation where she explains how her home was destroyed because it had a factory that made binoculars.

It was supposed to be sad and endear you to her but she delivered it in such a bad/uncaring way that it became hilarious. Especially bouncing off Shepard (especially the more emotional Femshep voice) who is actually doing a good job of relflecting sadness at what's she's saying.

Man I had to hear that like ten times - seriously, ten times - to understand what she was trying to save in her response. I still don't think I get it.

[Renmiri1]

Welcome to the club

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

EC is better than original, but its still bad, it is just not awful anymore.

[Massa FX]

My first EC playthrough was liberating at first. I shot the Reaper sherrif! But then I lost control of Shepard and watched her stand there alone waiting for her private blender suite. Seeing Liara's holo was nice... except everyone Shep fought to save is dead. And died horribly.

My problem with refuse is that its in character at first and then its not. And there's nothing players can do. Game over.

[gavinbrindstaar]

The main reason I didn't like the EC, and didn't like the original endings was the lack of scenes of our war assets. I think they really missed a big opportunity to turn it around. Imagine if in the rejection ending we got to see all of the war asset's, all of our squadmate's final stands. That was, and remains, my biggest complaint with the ending. The lack of seeing our war assets.

[MetioricTest]

gavinbrindstaar wrote...

The main reason I didn't like the EC, and didn't like the original endings was the lack of scenes of our war assets. I think they really missed a big opportunity to turn it around. Imagine if in the rejection ending we got to see all of the war asset's, all of our squadmate's final stands. That was, and remains, my biggest complaint with the ending. The lack of seeing our war assets.

I agree.

I'd have loved it if low EMS reject meant everybody died quickly and the Reapers discovered Liara's beacons. Cycles never end.

Then mid EMS means we held out for a century like predicted, Reapers don't discover the beacon and the cycles are stopped at great gost. Galatic society rebuilds from it's brutal battle with Reapers.

And high EMS means we held out for many centuries (Maybe even a thousand years), Reapers take heavy casualities but eventually wipe us out, Reapers don't discover the beacon and the cycles are stopped at a more minimal cost against the weakened Reapers. A stronger unified galatic soceity forged to defeat the Reapers lives on.