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[Yakko77]

Of all the things I wanted explained, it was the Shep alive scene in the destroy ending. I probably shouldn't get my hopes up I'm thinking. I highly doubt they're release a post game DLC that only affects those who chose destroy and had a high enough EMS for Shep to live.

[priestess of blood]

Yakko77 wrote...

Of all the things I wanted explained, it was the Shep alive scene in the destroy ending. I probably shouldn't get my hopes up I'm thinking. I highly doubt they're release a post game DLC that only affects those who chose destroy and had a high enough EMS for Shep to live.

Would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath for it either, the citadel and relays surviving is enough for me to head-canon that my femshep survives.

[katerinafm]

I think a lot of players are confused because the breathing scene happens after you get the 'aftermath' scenes? I think they just didn't add the breathing file inside the EC destroy file. The events are not in chronological order. They chose to let it come after, though it's pretty obvious that if Shepard is to survive at all he is found before the Citadel is rebuilt and probably before the Normandy starts heading back. The scenes are just not in the 'correct' order. He doesn't start breathing after however long it takes them to build everything, come on.

As for the scene on the ship, your LI seems to get a 'feeling' that Shepard is still alive and doesn't put the name on the wall (why it happens only in Destroy. Maybe communications were broken from the crucible blast and they still didn't know so they assumed Shepard was dead. Or the rest looked sad because they were just having a moment to look at the memorial wall and mourn the lost. They may be speculations, but they all come to the conclusion that Shepard is alive, the galaxy is well and it's more than likely that there is eventually a reunion with your LI.

[bondiboy]

He is alive ...but he is not coming back . Maybe a guest appearance in a future DLC

[Alexius]

That Citadel shot makes it look like a good place where Shepard could be. To me, the other scenes haven't actually happened yet, it's just what will happen according to what Hackett describes.
So when Shepard breathes there's a good chance it isn't long after the Crucible fired.

[MC_Loki]

Warbuckaz wrote...

MC_Loki wrote...

Warbuckaz wrote...

Bioware said keep your save file. So, if your shep bit the dust then you wont get the option to be, see, or meet shep in your Mass Effect 4 game.

The "keep your save file" comment was mostly directed towards PO'd players who were very flamboyant with their "I'm going to uninstall 4EVR! / Taking this turd to Game$top" rageposts.  It was a plea from Bioware to give them a chance to make things right.

Secondly, if Bioware *was* going to make ME4 and have it set post-Crucible, the chances of it being on current gen consoles is slim to none.  There's probably a few prototype devkits floating around in-house inside Sony and Microsoft, but next gen stuff is going to be rolling out within the next couple of years, and to top it off, the new iteration of the Unreal engine will be rolling out as well.  If ME4 is in the works, EA is probably going to direct Bioware to hold off so they can come out strong when next gen hits the shelves.  Thusly, importing saves from current gen to next gen consoles could be a bit of a pain, even with cloud profiles.

tl;dr version:  Won't see any post-Crucible DLC, and ME4 (if it is even going to be a thing) is too early in development stages to make Jessica's "keep your files" tweet relevant for post-trilogy stuff.

you think they are going completely nix backwards compatibility in the next -gen consoles? IMO that would be a huge mistake.

Sony's got a pretty solid track record for not having backwards compatibility.

Safe to assume Microsoft is going to have to bite the bullet and license Bluray tech for its next rig.  Yes, I know standard Bluray players can read DVDs just fine, but there's no telling what Microsoft is going to do.

And completely disregard PC as a weight factor.  The market is solid, but most studios are geared for consoles as their primary focus when it comes to AAA titles.

[RACDB]

DLC leading into ME4 will probably explain it.

[Creighton72]

Umm they did explain the ending and the Shepard breathing part. Posted by a mod.

Shepard lives. Probably why he called it the Shepard lives ending.

http://social.biowar...x/12756781&lf=8

[Apocsapel91]

Well, LI reunion is implied. i.e. Shepard is alive and LI refuses to place nameplate on the Memorial wall. Also, it appears the Citadel was not completely annihilated in the blast and is maintaining orbit. I just wish they actually showed the reunion.

[Icesong]

thisisme8 wrote...

The fact that people don't understand the breathing scene leads me to believe they've never seen or read any other stories in their lives. That is one of the most common storytelling tools around.

Yeah, and I've never liked it any time it's happened. Common storytelling tools aren't automatically good ones.

[Makaveli The Don]

This is what I was most looking forward to and of coarse Jack.

Speculating doesnt work in the ME world imo.

[Captain_Obvious]

If they wanted Shepard alive, they should have shown Shepard alive in the game. Waking breath or last gasp? Once they put it in the game, we'll know for sure. Since they didn't put it in the game, I say Shepard's dead.

[Mcfly616]

Gterror2 wrote...

bigbade wrote...

...I thought it was obvious. Destroy shows the Citadel in ruins but still intact, looks very city-like in fact. Shepard does indeed wake up on the citadel. He's surviving a **** load of laser/blood loss/tube explosions sure but he's still up there and tali (or your LI) knows it, thus why they don't hang up the nameplate on the memorial wall

Destroy ending shows the citadel rebuilt, so why didnt they find Shepard?

No....it shows a vision of it rebuilt, as Hackett is narrating that it is possible to rebuild it.....Destroy ending ends with your L.I. and crew coming back to find you because deep down they know youre alive....


Note: the scene in Destroy, with the citadel rebuilt is a vision of the potential future because of Shepard.....it is not in.fact, already rebuilt

[Reorte]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

If they wanted Shepard alive, they should have shown Shepard alive in the game. Waking breath or last gasp? Once they put it in the game, we'll know for sure. Since they didn't put it in the game, I say Shepard's dead.

It feels like they are being childishly stubborn about refusing to end on a concrete positive note for Shepard and LI. It's pointless trolling - "we know you wanted a reunion so we're just going to dangle a hint of one so you can never be completely satisfied." It's a pretty contemptible attitutude. Still, at least an improvement on what we had.

I wouldn't go as far as to say he's dead since dead - best possible result means that Shepard definitely dies?

[shadey]

I think they only added it to please fans otherwise every choice ends up with shepard dying there probably would have been alot of nerd rage, even more so.

They're done with shepard's story though so it will never to be addressed, they're leaving it up to player imagination

[thisisme8]

Icesong wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

The fact that people don't understand the breathing scene leads me to believe they've never seen or read any other stories in their lives. That is one of the most common storytelling tools around.

Yeah, and I've never liked it any time it's happened. Common storytelling tools aren't automatically good ones.

I'd argue that common storytelling tools are useful, but their reception is varied.  I personally think they are great ways of letting the reader decide what happens at the end.

Look at Hart's Hope and The Giver.  Both are great examples of books with open endings.  I'll even go so far as to say The Giver should be required reading for anyone interested in science fiction.

[jakal66]

apparently Bioware is saying he lives, they just were too lazy to show us the actual reunion...oh craps...much better ending though...but yes this part pissed me off a bit, perhaps a future dlc expands on that?Doubt it

[The Invisible Commando]

If you look carefully, Shepard DOES survive the explosion. How he got back to London is still stupid speculation.

[Und3rstndCHAOS]

Lookout1390 wrote...

Garlador wrote...

Everyone! Listen! I will now explain the breathing scene.

...

... It means Shepard is breathing, thus alive. Shepard is alive.

Thank you. You're all welcome. I'm glad you all can sleep at night again. No, don't thank me. It's what I do.

You forgot to explain the part where he/she survives the explosion of the citadel, and the fall from atmosphere.

And how with all this rebuilding going on, Shepard is still nowhere to be found.

We'll his body could take awhile to find because on the Codex under Keepers it says most of the inside of the Citadel is unable to be accessed, so he could be there just trapped.

[Und3rstndCHAOS]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Gterror2 wrote...

bigbade wrote...

...I thought it was obvious. Destroy shows the Citadel in ruins but still intact, looks very city-like in fact. Shepard does indeed wake up on the citadel. He's surviving a **** load of laser/blood loss/tube explosions sure but he's still up there and tali (or your LI) knows it, thus why they don't hang up the nameplate on the memorial wall

Destroy ending shows the citadel rebuilt, so why didnt they find Shepard?

No....it shows a vision of it rebuilt, as Hackett is narrating that it is possible to rebuild it.....Destroy ending ends with your L.I. and crew coming back to find you because deep down they know youre alive....


Note: the scene in Destroy, with the citadel rebuilt is a vision of the potential future because of Shepard.....it is not in.fact, already rebuilt

Yea its more like a flashforward.

[Icesong]

thisisme8 wrote...

Icesong wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

The fact that people don't understand the breathing scene leads me to believe they've never seen or read any other stories in their lives. That is one of the most common storytelling tools around.

Yeah, and I've never liked it any time it's happened. Common storytelling tools aren't automatically good ones.

I'd argue that common storytelling tools are useful, but their reception is varied.  I personally think they are great ways of letting the reader decide what happens at the end.

Look at Hart's Hope and The Giver.  Both are great examples of books with open endings.  I'll even go so far as to say The Giver should be required reading for anyone interested in science fiction.

I don't think the comparison to other mediums is so easily made. A few intermingling elements make it difficult for me to accept a completely open-ended fate: that this is my character, the issue of canon, and the potential for future meddling. You might think that the first thing should make me happy with the ambiguity then, but bear with me.

I think I've said it in this thread already but let's talk DAO. In DAO, if you're still alive, your story is ended in a place that's mostly open ended. You're safe, people know you're alive, and then your fate going forward is decided by what you say after the coronation. The epilogue isn't that constricting. This leaves intact most the endings a player would want except for things like, I don't know, getting knocked off the battlements and presumed dead yet you managed to slip away undetected.

In losing those few endings what you gain is protection for the other endings. Canon-protection. Because when something like DA2 or worse rolls around and calls into question what you've been imagining all this time, at least certain things can't be taken away from you.

Also, your ME2 guides made the game a lot more enjoyable for me. Thanks for that.

Modifié par Icesong, 27 juin 2012 - 09:21 .

[Mcfly616]

Und3rstndCHAOS wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Gterror2 wrote...

bigbade wrote...

...I thought it was obvious. Destroy shows the Citadel in ruins but still intact, looks very city-like in fact. Shepard does indeed wake up on the citadel. He's surviving a **** load of laser/blood loss/tube explosions sure but he's still up there and tali (or your LI) knows it, thus why they don't hang up the nameplate on the memorial wall

Destroy ending shows the citadel rebuilt, so why didnt they find Shepard?

No....it shows a vision of it rebuilt, as Hackett is narrating that it is possible to rebuild it.....Destroy ending ends with your L.I. and crew coming back to find you because deep down they know youre alive....


Note: the scene in Destroy, with the citadel rebuilt is a vision of the potential future because of Shepard.....it is not in.fact, already rebuilt

Yea its more like a flashforward.

Precisely

[TJX2045]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

priestess of blood wrote...

Considering the relays and the citadel don't blow up now, since that got ret-conned, it is more feasible that shepard survives.

Plus there is also the change in the memorial scene if you chose the destroy ending.

I've heard that. Apparently, Shepard's name is already on the board in control/synthesis, but they seem to hesitate (I always choose destroy) in the destroy ending. That coupled with the lift off scene with the Normandy made me double-take about my feelings towards the ending of the EC DLC, as there may be hope for rescue/reunion DLC.

No, when I chose Synthesis (Because I wanted to see the differences between Destroy and that one, I'd never choose Control personally) the LI hesitates before finally putting the name up.  In Destroy they don't.  Since I did Destroy first I was unsure if they thought he was dead or not.  That slight difference is an implied "There's no way he is dead."  In Synthesis it would make sense that they would know since everyone gains past and present knowledge of everything.

Control?  Not sure how that works.