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[Ieldra]

I've finally seen all the high-EMS variants of the new EC endings. And I'm delighted to say that I like them all very much and can see any of them being chosen by at least one of my Shepards.

Destroy has lost quite a bit of its neo-Luddite feel, and now feels like a victory which can result in a good future. I can see people still having problems with the death of the synthetics, as I would have if I chose it, but Destroy is now revealed as the pro-organic choice that embraces the "chaos of organic evolution" and upholds the traditional definition of life and civilization without losing any of its potential. Still my least favorite ending because it's rather conventional, but it's good on its own terms. I haven't seen the low-EMS variants but I guess the damage to the relays will be more severe.

Control has gained a really awesome epilogue. It's made clear that Shepard becomes an "AI god" who protects the galaxy. "Forever" is a big word to use here, but she'll be the guardian of civilization for the foreseeable future, even counted in astronomical time. Organic life loses in freedom but gains in survival potential, as civilization is now guided by "the perfection of the machines". I wonder if there's a difference in this ending based on your Paragon/Renegade rating....

Synthesis is...what can I say...everything I hoped it would be. A future in which both synthetics and organics are improved by adding traits from the other side, eventually to become indistinguishable, with civilization to be ascended by adding the knowledge from all past cycles which was preserved in the Reapers. It has utopian aspects as well as creepy ones, but it's made clear it's a bright future and that there will be no stagnation. The future is unknown, with the challenges post-Synthesis civilization will have to meet being unfathomable for the present generation. 

And then the new "Reject" ending. Rejecting the choices will result - rather predictably - in a Reaper victory. It was always clear that the Reapers couldn't be beaten conventionally, but for those who feel that a fight to the death is preferable to taking any of the other choices, this ending still offers hope, though not for the present cycle.

So...yeah. The original endings were 3x disappointment, but the new ones are 4x awesome. Telling us more about the consequences of the choices was exactly what was needed, and they still leave enough interpretation space to speculate about the future. But more than anything else, the endings are revealed to be vastly different - as I'm sure was intended from the start, but never came across. The feeling many of us had "They all taste the same" has disappeared completely, at least for me.

Is ME3's ending saved? Can I now play my other Shepards without feeling ever more dread as I approach the ending of ME3? Definitely. There are still inconsistencies and things that make me shake my head, but....I find that I don't care all that much. The Mass Effect trilogy now has a fitting end, and I'll be happy to keep all my saves and wait for what's to come.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 juin 2012 - 12:24 .

[Tirranek]

Nice summary. I picked destroy again because I wanted to be honest to the original choice I made. Was interesting to see a lot of what I expected happened turned out to be pretty accurate, even if they had to dial back a few things. You can almost see the blinking arrows on the relays going 'ONLY THOSE BITS, OK? THE REST IS FINE.'

[Jenonax]

Nice Summary. I support Refusal as per sig, but am curious to know what you think of the new DNA line being canon now?

Sorry, I can't keep up with the synthesis thread, moves at FTL>

[flemm]

For me, there are two key differences.

The first is the one you state: the endings are clearly differentiated from one another, making the choice seem significant, whereas previously it did not.

The second is the one you imply: it is clear that, in each ending (including even possibly the "rejection" ending), galactic civilisation has an interesting and exciting future ahead of it.

So, massive improvements.

Modifié par flemm, 27 juin 2012 - 12:21 .

[Alex Kershaw]

I also like the new endings

[chibilombax]

Good post. I can sort of understand the other endings better and why people would pick them. Yet I just keep picking Destroy because it's just the right amount of bittersweet with a dash of hope at the end which is what good bittersweet does. I guess I just like doing that to myself a little. ( Heck I was a Anders romancer in DA2 that's more proof I torture myself with stories ) And yet say if Destroy wasn't an option. I'd pick refusal. Seems more fitting for my character. Yet I'm a total wuss and I'm not ready to have my shepard go meet Garrus up in that bar yet.

[Pasicrates]

I agree, I really liked the EC, especially the Rejection option. It was, in my opinion, the most emotional since after you see Liara's beacon and then here from the new Stargazer they defeated the Reapers. I really liked it.

[Shawn Marrster]

This DLC fixed many of the problems.
It's a chame that the original ending was so rushed.

But why can't we get one fary tale ending ? Destroy with high rating. Shepard alive and reunited with his LI?

[Taboo]

I KNOW.

But are you ready for the impending Synthesis debates?

[comrade gando]

this DLC didn't fix jack smack. we still got RGB (and refuse). and a bunch of videos and still images. real awesome... totally worth the wait. forget about all the plot holes in the last 20 minutes, starchild's yo dawg and space magic. /sarcasm

[AveryChim]

Well... I still didn't really like the endings, but I commend Bioware for trying to "fix" it. I accept that I'll never be satisfied with anything they put out... but at least they tried...

I do really like the control ending though... That one was awesome...

[chibilombax]

comrade gando wrote...

this DLC didn't fix jack smack. we still got RGB (and refuse). and a bunch of videos and still images. real awesome... totally worth the wait. forget about all the plot holes in the last 20 minutes, starchild's yo dawg and space magic. /sarcasm

They still could've done nothing. Or worse charge us for it. I know you're entitled to your opinion. And yet no one seems to say that to people who are finally calmed down after the EC. 

Which plot hole btw? I could only see the "how did they repair the relays?" since I only picked Destroy. But I stopped caring because I'm sick of being miserable about it all.

[Smeffects]

Honstly the ending are as imagined. At least for synethesis. The idea behind it is not that we lost everything that we are, simply that we now all share live simularly enough to be in peace and work togheter. People still eat, theres still desease, etc.

[Barnzy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

... I haven't seen the low-EMS variants but I guess the damage to the relays will be more severe....

Here's a vid of the low EMS Destroy option, its got a pretty good part with Hackett, but no epilogue slides. I guess everyone else died:

www.youtube.com/watch

[ssltrain]

My only complaint is, even though I picked "destroy" and still got the breath scene, the lack of reunion with my LI and no cheesy shot of Garrus and Shep throwing back a few beers on a beach (maybe in Rio with Jacob), living off the royalties from the vids.

Other than that, I liked the new endings. The control ending is both sci-fi-creepy and cool; reject is badass and gloomy and loved the kid's Reaper voice saying "so be it!"; haven't tried synthesis yet; destroy is hopeful and the only choice my Shep would make.

Still wish I could've finished it and found Miranda.

Modifié par ssltrain, 27 juin 2012 - 12:39 .

[taliefer]

chalk me up as another who doesnt think the ec changed anything. it still boils down to followin the advice of an untrustworthy source, that being a character tossed in at the last 5 minutes of the game.

all the EC did was spell out what people couldnt put together. control shep controls, synth rainbows and unicorns for all, and destroy, boom bang.

i dont understand how this changes anyones view of the endings. if yhou were happy before, you should be know, if you werent before...how does the ec help? and thats an honest question

[KotorEffect3]

comrade gando wrote...

this DLC didn't fix jack smack. we still got RGB (and refuse). and a bunch of videos and still images. real awesome... totally worth the wait. forget about all the plot holes in the last 20 minutes, starchild's yo dawg and space magic. /sarcasm

The EC was what they said it will be.  If you were expecting a complete rewrite of the ending than you were not paying attention to what bioware has said about the EC and you only have yourself to blame for your wishful thinking.  Either you can accept the endings or not but they aint changing.

[chibilombax]

taliefer wrote...

chalk me up as another who doesnt think the ec changed anything. it still boils down to followin the advice of an untrustworthy source, that being a character tossed in at the last 5 minutes of the game.

all the EC did was spell out what people couldnt put together. control shep controls, synth rainbows and unicorns for all, and destroy, boom bang.

i dont understand how this changes anyones view of the endings. if yhou were happy before, you should be know, if you werent before...how does the ec help? and thats an honest question

It helped a few things make more sense. There's only so much you can use your imagination for before you start to question the story teller. Why would joker fly away? What happens to all the aliens? More people were scared the galaxy would starve to death rather then worry over shepard. Most of the endings just show "Okay guys see? They're fine." And if you picked Destroy you get a hint of a reunion rather then just having the ship on some odd planet for ever and you're stranded. Pretty much patching over the giant plot holes. But leaving a few tiny ones ( Which is okay since it's sci fi ) in their place. No complaints really for me. Also I feel like playing the games again after the new endings. They didn't make me feel like I wasted five years of my life.

[frostajulie]

I too love the new endings and can see so much Shepard creation and building going into the why would she choose it.... ending

I also love that it was not the same ending but 5 so far that I have seen distinctly different endings. Control has a paragon and renegade version.

[blue water]

chibilombax wrote...

taliefer wrote...

chalk me up as another who doesnt think the ec changed anything. it still boils down to followin the advice of an untrustworthy source, that being a character tossed in at the last 5 minutes of the game.

all the EC did was spell out what people couldnt put together. control shep controls, synth rainbows and unicorns for all, and destroy, boom bang.

i dont understand how this changes anyones view of the endings. if yhou were happy before, you should be know, if you werent before...how does the ec help? and thats an honest question

It helped a few things make more sense. There's only so much you can use your imagination for before you start to question the story teller. Why would joker fly away? What happens to all the aliens? More people were scared the galaxy would starve to death rather then worry over shepard. Most of the endings just show "Okay guys see? They're fine." And if you picked Destroy you get a hint of a reunion rather then just having the ship on some odd planet for ever and you're stranded. Pretty much patching over the giant plot holes. But leaving a few tiny ones ( Which is okay since it's sci fi ) in their place. No complaints really for me. Also I feel like playing the games again after the new endings. They didn't make me feel like I wasted five years of my life.

Good summary.

[OutlawTorn6806]

I freaking loved it.

[Zardoc]

chibilombax wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

this DLC didn't fix jack smack. we still got RGB (and refuse). and a bunch of videos and still images. real awesome... totally worth the wait. forget about all the plot holes in the last 20 minutes, starchild's yo dawg and space magic. /sarcasm

They still could've done nothing. Or worse charge us for it. I know you're entitled to your opinion. And yet no one seems to say that to people who are finally calmed down after the EC. 

Which plot hole btw? I could only see the "how did they repair the relays?" since I only picked Destroy. But I stopped caring because I'm sick of being miserable about it all.

For starters, the Star Kid. He still speaks no sense. Second, the pick-up scene. Third, the handwaving of how the galaxy rebuilds. Fourth, Shepard surviving in Destroy. Fifth, Joker fleeing without trying to get you, with your squad basically encouraging him to leave you behind. To name a few.


And then of course we have stuff like Synthesis, which is a whole different problem.

Modifié par Zardoc, 27 juin 2012 - 12:56 .

[jtav]

Posted from elsewhere:

Okay, so I just watched all three and it's a tossup for me between Synthesis and Destroy. I love the utopian vibes of Synthesis, with the Reapers free and the galaxy embarking on new challenges. What a lot of you found creepy--Keiji, husks--I found sublime. I feel like Shepard's death earned something glorious.

As for Destroy, what a difference a few minutes of content makes. Yes, EDI and the geth die, but it's not treated callously and something very much like them may yet return. Galactic civilization will return to its former glory and this time we will understand the tools we use. The bonds between species have not been broken and I feel things will be better and more equal than they ever have been. Shepard will be there to help rebuild and will be able to have a life again and reunite with their love. I romanced Miranda so the thought of a life with her after so much pain and separation, well, I feel all warm and fuzzy.

Control I didn't like so much. I feel it's only a matter of time before AI!Shepard loses that human connection and starts treating people like ants. I'm sure some people love it, but I feel a shiver of revulsion. Not for me. Move on.

But I love the new endings overall. They're different, and none feels obviously better or worse.

[D24O]

As it stands I'm pretty satisfied with the EC. I would've liked a Fallout style epilogue for each character, and I would in no way object to the ever popular reunion with the crew in the event that Shepard lives, but those aren't necessary for me to feel some satisfaction with it. All in all, I'm glad this whole debacle is finally solved.

[BooBoo_swe]

Good reading.

I haven't tried the EC myself and i cant lower myself enough to do so. Knowing the starchild is still there is enough for me to denounce ME3 from existance. Magic, nomatter how it's explained, just dont belong in a Sci-Fi game without more afterthought than this. It's a shame and i wish i could be bought by the crap they spew and release to us but i've lost faith and the dlc came months to late. DA2 was a momentous muckup, i just didnt think they could do it with ME3.. I was so wrong.