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[Vexille]

Armass81 wrote...

Vexille wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

kblaze13 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Youd reject utopia if it was offered to you?

In a heartbeat.

Humanity doesn't thrive in peace, we excel in conflict.

look at the science achivements throughout history it was always driven by a need to out do, outbuild, or outfight, another human or group of humans.

Not sure about the asari, but pretty sure the Turians, and Krogan are also along the same lines as humans, which is oddly enough why they probably have as much dislike as they do respect for us. Since as different as humans are to them, they are at the core VERY similar.

So if you love conflict, enlist into the next war. Then come back to me with whatever syndrome you have and say to me how fun it was and how you wish this could continue for all time. War is not pretty and its the worst form of conflict.

Id say peace is still preferable...

conflict is part of human nature, its never going away. War does however spark inovation... do you realize how much of the everyday tech we use was orginially designed and funded for military purposes?

Small conflict probably yes, but given enough time, wisdom and life id say we can grow out of the big ones. Like war. Ideal world doesnt mean everyone has to be a saint.

get real hippy, weve had war since one caveman decided to beat another caveman to death with a rock over food...
as long as there are humans there will be war

[jpraelster93]

sythesis still sucks

[darthnick427]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I utterly detest Synthesis. It is awful beyond belief.

Pretty sure you and I agree on things more than anyone else on BSN. *bro fist*

[Alexius]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

I am uncomfortable at best with synthesis... But there's something about EDI's statement of 'I am alive' that just kinda warms my heart, making me consider it as something that is at least somewhat good.

^This.
I actually stopped the game for several minutes to think whether I should go with Destroy or Synthesis. I went with the first one, but when I saw the Synthesis ending on Youtube it was heart-warming.

Still, Synthesis doesn't make me comfortable enough to choose it... not that Destroy made me comfortable, mind you, but oh well. It's just... too perfect. I feels like I'm forcing peace instead of achieving it, and there's no lesson there.

[ThinkIntegral]

Armass81 wrote...

Ideal world doesnt mean everyone has to be a saint.

Yes. Doesn't mean there can't be healthy competition either.

[Mister_Tez]

charon45 wrote...

Synthesis is probably still the worst ending for me. The EC hyping it up as the pinnacle of life just reaffirmed that for me. Man and machine both reach the apex of their existence and will unlock the knowledge of countless civilizations before it and become masters of the universe in moments. No thanks. I think the point of civilization is to strive to improve. Getting up jumped and then having the keys to something greater dumped into your lap seems way too easy. It is a bad premise for an ending, IMO.

I didn't like it in the original ending, and I don't like it now.

The way the Catalyst was hyping it up in the EC put me off it even more than before. I cannot trust it... As far as I was concerned, the Catalyst was only hyping up Synthesis so much because it did not want the Reapers to be destroyed. It put a huge positive spin on Synthesis, a bit of one on Control, and a massive negative spin on Destroy. Hearing its true voice when I tried the Reject ending sealed the deal: don't trust the Catalyst.

Even if the Catalyst hadn't tried to manipulate Shepard into choosing Synthesis, I still would not choose it because IMO it went against two core themes of the series: Free will / self determination and diversity.

Modifié par Mister_Tez, 27 juin 2012 - 05:30 .

[ThinkIntegral]

Vexille wrote...
get real hippy, weve had war since one caveman decided to beat another caveman to death with a rock over food...
as long as there are humans there will be war

Obviously, but that doesn't mean it can't be reduced.

[Cyricsservant101]

Armass81 wrote...

kblaze13 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Youd reject utopia if it was offered to you?

In a heartbeat.

Humanity doesn't thrive in peace, we excel in conflict.

look at the science achivements throughout history it was always driven by a need to out do, outbuild, or outfight, another human or group of humans.

Not sure about the asari, but pretty sure the Turians, and Krogan are also along the same lines as humans, which is oddly enough why they probably have as much dislike as they do respect for us. Since as different as humans are to them, they are at the core VERY similar.

So if you love conflict, enlist into the next war. Then come back to me with whatever syndrome and armsand legs you have left and say to me how fun it was and how you wish this could continue for all time. Unless you return in a coffin... War is not pretty and its the worst form of conflict.

Id say peace is still preferable...

I can't speak for kblaze13, but I'll enlist if you promise to weld an alarm clock and a toaster to your head... then hold down your next door neighbor and do the same to him.

Personally, I'm not willing to sacrifice free will for (what will probably only be temporary) peace.  Besides, Destroy and Control can arguably give us temporary peace too while still allowing for diversity and autonomy of self.

[The Elite Elite]

Yeah, I find the rainbows and roses happy ending of Synthesis to be barf worthy. Yes! Because of space magic we all have synthetic and organic DNA and that means we all live in peace and harmony! The Reapers now want to help us rebuild and tell us all about the organics they slaughtered in previous cycles. There's no more poverty or sickness and everything is just grand!

[Nageth]

I'm not following where synthesis = loss of free will. The only option I saw that resulted in any loss of free will was control. Saying synthesis is a loss of free will is like saying the internet making information flow easily also results in a loss of free will.

I'll give you synthesis being the fan service puppies and cupcakes ending, though.

Modifié par Nageth, 27 juin 2012 - 05:31 .

[cgvhjb]

ThinkIntegral wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Ideal world doesnt mean everyone has to be a saint.

Yes. Doesn't mean there can't be healthy competition either.

Which equals stagnation, not to mention organic life being able to instantly network means that you're essentially creating a gestalt consciousness which isn't really a good thing. Personally I hate the synthesis ending not only for the fact that it had a ton of plot holes whose only explanation "its space magic" but because it creates a world here core precepts that have shaped and defined organic life are now rendered pointless and much of the indivuality inherent in life is removed. So what synthesis created conformity and understanding and all it cost organic life was their individuality and uniqueness.

Not really sure that trade off is worth it.

I'm not following where synthesis = loss of free will. The only option I
saw that resulted in any loss of free will was control. Saying
synthesis is a loss of free will is like saying the internet making
information flow easily also results in a loss of free will.

I'll give you synthesis being the fan service puppies and cupcakes ending, though.

People assume synthesis equals a certain loss of free will because of what's been said about non organic life. Think about it as hybrid beings all life can instantly network their minds and achieve consensus like the Geth, all knowledge is shared so no is really special or unique anymore and everyone and given that the need "free think" or invent solutions to issues as an individual is now removed (remember everyone can network together to come to a consensus decision about things) you basically just fill a role that the collective thoughts of your peers believe you should fill.

Kind of sounds like a hive mentality to me.

Also sounds like the death of true innovation.

Modifié par cgvhjb, 27 juin 2012 - 05:42 .

[Cyricsservant101]

Nageth wrote...

I'm not following where synthesis = loss of free will. The only option I saw that resulted in any loss of free will was control. Saying synthesis is a loss of free will is like saying the internet making information flow easily also results in a loss of free will.

I'll give you synthesis being the fan service puppies and cupcakes ending, though.

My impression is that it alters your brain chemistry, which is why there won't be any conflict in the future.  As someone else mentioned, it's somewhat reminiscent of the Helios ending from Deus Ex 2.

Modifié par Cyricsservant101, 27 juin 2012 - 05:39 .

[Mister_Tez]

Nageth wrote...

I'm not following where synthesis = loss of free will. The only option I saw that resulted in any loss of free will was control. Saying synthesis is a loss of free will is like saying the internet making information flow easily also results in a loss of free will.

I'll give you synthesis being the fan service puppies and cupcakes ending, though.

I don't recall the rest of the galaxy choosing to be "synthesised" or whatever you want to call it.

[Bill Casey]

ZIPO396 wrote...

I still don't know how it stops sentient beings from creating future synthetics. So Catalysts worst fear still isn't stopped.

Because it rewrites everyone...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 27 juin 2012 - 05:37 .

[ZIPO396]

Bill Casey wrote...

ZIPO396 wrote...

I still don't know how it stops sentient beings from creating future synthetics. So Catalysts worst fear still isn't stopped.

Because it rewrites everyone...

That just makes that ending so much worse. But we can't really know if it does that.

Modifié par ZIPO396, 27 juin 2012 - 05:41 .

[HenchxNarf]

You must not have been paying attention. "Synthetics will have an understanding of organics and organics of synthetics." Which pretty much ends the cycle forever. There never has to be another harvesting because there's not going to be a need for super computers to do stuff for us.

[kblaze13]

go play ME2 or find a youtube of Mordin talking with Shep after his loyalty mission. it's the conversation where he does his much loved singing. Leading up to it however Mordin goes into how the collectors stopped being protheans becaouse they were "replaced by tech" to put it simply.

something like lift is too heavy, you create wheel, etc. etc. it basically completely covers what I feel is wrong with the synth ending.

[Dridengx]

David7204 wrote...
 I mean, what kind of a story is that? It isn't one.

I don't want Garrus and Tali and Liara

A good one. And if you don't want something pick a different ending crybaby

[M. Hanky]

just goes to show that no matter what anyone does, some people will still stay all day on the forums whining about everything. Can't please everyone.

[Necrotron]

The premise seems to do nothing to prevent future conflict, not do anything to resolve the 'problem' that lead to the creation of the Reapers in the first place. Won't half-synthetic beings develop at various rates and some become better than others and eventually create conflicts and try to wipe out the others?

I don't see how making everything half-synthetic will prevent wars from breaking out in any way.

[im commander shep]

One question with synthesis ending. So any future games will now feature the the whole galaxy full of techno zombies with green glowy eyes.

I don't see that as a viable ending, if synthesis is picked the ME universe is over and we already know there will be more games DLC.

[WizenSlinky0]

HenchxNarf wrote...

You must not have been paying attention. "Synthetics will have an understanding of organics and organics of synthetics." Which pretty much ends the cycle forever. There never has to be another harvesting because there's not going to be a need for super computers to do stuff for us.

If you honestly believe that then...I'm not really sure what to say. So long as our bodies, and our minds, have limits we will seek to build something to expand them. Synthesis doesn't actually solve anything unless it really is the pinacle of evolution. In that case everyone is pretty much dead anyway. Stagnated life is not a good thing. There is no end to evolution. If there is then it's likely the death of us all.

[Nageth]

Mister_Tez wrote...

Nageth wrote...

I'm not following where synthesis = loss of free will. The only option I saw that resulted in any loss of free will was control. Saying synthesis is a loss of free will is like saying the internet making information flow easily also results in a loss of free will.

I'll give you synthesis being the fan service puppies and cupcakes ending, though.

I don't recall the rest of the galaxy choosing to be "synthesised" or whatever you want to call it.

How many things happen to you that you don't choose? Quite a bit, yet people still think they have free will.

As far as the brain chemistry changes, I still don't see how that automatically = loss of free will. Could be the equivalent of suddenly doing base 2 math instead of base 10. I'd hardly call that a loss of free will.

[cgvhjb]

Bathaius wrote...

The premise seems to do nothing to prevent future conflict, not do anything to resolve the 'problem' that lead to the creation of the Reapers in the first place. Won't half-synthetic beings develop at various rates and some become better than others and eventually create conflicts and try to wipe out the others?

I don't see how making everything half-synthetic will prevent wars from breaking out in any way.

Why fight a war when all beings can now network together and reach a consensus on an issue?

[Cyricsservant101]

HenchxNarf wrote...

You must not have been paying attention. "Synthetics will have an understanding of organics and organics of synthetics." Which pretty much ends the cycle forever. There never has to be another harvesting because there's not going to be a need for super computers to do stuff for us.

No need for super computers to do stuff for us?


You realize AI can be created solely for convenience, right?  Initially, the Geth were substantially inferior to the Quarians, created merely to perform certain functions.  They were created for convenience, efficiency, and profitability, not because the Quarians wanted to create something that would surpass them.

Modifié par Cyricsservant101, 27 juin 2012 - 05:44 .