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[Ragarnoy]

Synthesis creates monsters, that's it.

Everyone becomes the same person, everyone thinks the same way, so no one is different.
If everyone is the same person there's no point in living.
And everyone is glowing in green, it's freaking ugly and creepy.

Also it's space magic, it's impossible and, seriously ? The reapers are organics too ? That is SENSELESS "ye sry for destroyin the galaxy let me fix it lol"

[BarrelDrago]

What the point in living right now?

[Ildun]

Because I like peace.
Because I like Utopia.
Because I like everyone survive including synthetic like EDI.

Because it suits my ideology...which almost impossible to achieve in real life.
And thus, in my opinion it is the best "game ending".

Until 4th ending ruins it.

[umadcommander]

i watched synthesis on youtube and the look of horror on the husks face as it regains its awareness confirms the reasons i dont like synthesis

[Fox In The Box]

LoboFH wrote...

"I am alive...and I am not alone"

One of the best trilogy lines for one of the best trilogy characters. EDI was a a discovery.

That line is a little offputting to me, if it's meant as a response to the Synthesis ending. The game beats us over the head with how it's not necessary to have fleshy bits to count as life, and now she says that she's "alive" not because she's a thinking being with hopes and desires and morals, but because her body is more organic? What was the point with her character arc, then?

[LoboFH]

Ragarnoy wrote...

Synthesis creates monsters, that's it.

Everyone becomes the same person, everyone thinks the same way, so no one is different.
If everyone is the same person there's no point in living.

BarrelDrago wrote...

What the point in living right now?

Fox In The Box wrote...

LoboFH wrote...

"I am alive...and I am not alone"

One of the best trilogy lines for one of the best trilogy characters. EDI was a a discovery.

That line is a little offputting to me, if it's meant as a response to the Synthesis ending. The game beats us over the head with how it's not necessary to have fleshy bits to count as life, and now she says that she's "alive" not because she's a thinking being with hopes and desires and morals, but because her body is more organic? What was the point with her character arc, then?

One of the most interesting ideas in ME3 is the questioning of what is life. With the deeper knowledge of geth reality and the EDI's discovery journey I believe we can understand and empathize with the complex Synthesis solution.

In London you have an emotional last speech with EDI, she is saying in fact almost the same than in the line: "I am alive" and this happens before Synthesis.

Sorry, my english is terrible and I can't explain it better.

Modifié par LoboFH, 27 juin 2012 - 03:48 .

[Elite Midget]

Armass81 wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Being alive =/= Free

A Utopia is for idealists and fools.

thats a pretty limited vision...

Right.  Humans are limited. 

For now... we can get better.

That's why there is something called ageing. No matter what you do Humanity only has so much time to accomplish something Eventually you'll die as you live, imperfect and that's all right since that means no one can ever replace you.

[ShadyKat]

Because it's the "Happy ending".

[Elite Midget]

Ildun wrote...

Because I like peace.
Because I like Utopia.
Because I like everyone survive including synthetic like EDI.

Because it suits my ideology...which almost impossible to achieve in real life.
And thus, in my opinion it is the best "game ending".

Until 4th ending ruins it.

Not everyone survives. Shepard dies and doesn't see the fruits of his/her labors. For all he/she knows the Crucible didn't work.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 27 juin 2012 - 04:13 .

[nitefyre410]

Fox In The Box wrote...

LoboFH wrote...

"I am alive...and I am not alone"

One of the best trilogy lines for one of the best trilogy characters. EDI was a a discovery.

That line is a little offputting to me, if it's meant as a response to the Synthesis ending. The game beats us over the head with how it's not necessary to have fleshy bits to count as life, and now she says that she's "alive" not because she's a thinking being with hopes and desires and morals, but because her body is more organic? What was the point with her character arc, then?

 

My thoughts exactly, despite how well Tracia Helfer delivered that line or how feel EDI was  my favoriate character in that whole third game.  The line was amazing heart warming but she was just as alive(in my eyes) before synsthesis than after, It was like the writers were missing the point of their  own themes.  

[ckriley]

I said immediately after my original playthrough of the original endings that synthesis was, in fact, the best ending. Even though everyone on here screamed it was the worst. It just didn't feel that way for me and has always been the canon ending for my Shepard.

Now after playing the EC, it's confirmed more than ever. So much for everyone on the forums saying it's the forced change of yadda, yadda, yadda. Looks like every freaking species in the galaxy is not only perfectly okay with synthesis, but THRIVES because of it.

Synthesis just seemed natural from the start. :-)

[Blacklash93]

There's thematic contradictions as well as conflicts with character development, but Synthesis is ultimately the happiest ending for the MEverse. I understand why people don't agree with it, but whatever ideals and real-world logic they adopt does not apply to what is the undisputedly best outcome for the galaxy for all intents and purposes.

There are reasons to oppose the idea of Synthesis, but then there's misconceptions like this:

Synthesis creates monsters, that's it.

Everyone becomes the same person, everyone thinks the same way, so no one is different.
If everyone is the same person there's no point in living.
And everyone is glowing in green, it's freaking ugly and creepy.

taking away the free will

no war

It's only creepy, and it will be to an extent to everyone, because it's an alien and unknown change to the nature of all life. Not because it's evil.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 27 juin 2012 - 05:06 .

[Comsky159]

I can't imagine how people see this as a good ending. Reminiscent of the end to 1984 in how it twists our perceptions of humanity by lacing it with an ironic 'sweetness'.

I found it disturbing; actually went with the new ending ultimately, only one that could satisfy me.

[skarbonke]

for me synthesis is the best ending just because of EDI and geth. The scene in the end where EDI almost starts to cry and gets a hug from my LI is heartbreaking and awesome

Modifié par skarbonke, 27 juin 2012 - 04:47 .

[Rikketik]

nitefyre410 wrote...
My thoughts exactly, despite how well Tracia Helfer delivered that line or how feel EDI was  my favoriate character in that whole third game.  The line was amazing heart warming but she was just as alive(in my eyes) before synsthesis than after, It was like the writers were missing the point of their  own themes.  

Way I see it, just before the final push, EDI said she felt alive, but at the end of the ride she was still an AI in a robot body. After the Synthesis ending, she was alive in the same way every human, turian or asari was alive. (I hope this doesn't sound too vague.)

As for the Synthesis ending itself, well, I won't deny that it felt a little far-fetched and the scene with the husk was a bit narmy. But I liked the overall theme, which wasn't that every species in the galaxy suddenly became the same or that everyone lost their individuality, but that every race understood each other. The Reapers, the Geth, even organic races like Krogan and Salarians... before the ending, they were just completetly unable to comprehend each other. And thus they fought each other, because that's what you do when you think you're right and you feel someone else is wrong. You even see it here on the BSN (albeit at a much smaller scale): people think their ending is the best and they just can't understand why someone else would think another ending is the best. Hence the flamewars. But now that there's understanding between the races of the galaxy, there's also peace. Hell, the Reapers even (eventually) help rebuild.

I've also seen a lot of people laugh at the husk scene and joke about what it would be like to suddenly wake up in the body of a husk. But I don't think that is the case. Husks, banshees, marauders... they were all slaves of the Reapers before the synthesis. Why would they suddenly get their minds back after the Synthesis? If you ask me, the surprised look on that husk's face isn't because the husk itself is surprised, but because the Reaper who is controlling him is.

[MattFini]

It's creepy. It's morally wrong. It's pretentious.

As for the implications? I said this in another thread so forgive me if you've seen it: immediately following the Reaper war you have husks living side-by-side with humans, turians, asari, etc.

Consider the people who were in reaper interment camps all throughout the invasion. Are they supposed to be cool with seeing the giant squids zipping around overhead like nothing ever happened?

And what about those who saw their parents, spouses, children and friends turned into husks!? Now they've got to live side-by-side with these grotesque reminders of their loved ones?

How about no? Synthesis is such a stupid ending for this, and many other reasons. It's got nothing to do with MASS EFFECT on the whole and in fact feels like it was ripped out of some other game altogether.

[Ieldra]

Let's clear a few things up:
(1) Krogan are still krogan, humans are still humans, etc..... diversity is maintained.
(2) There is no indication at all that everyone thinks the same way. There is no hint of "universal peace". Peace is made with the Reapers, that's all, and that's usually seen as a good way to end a war. Why not here? Doesn't mean everything is perfect forever after.
(3) There will be no stagnation. EDI says it - civilization is on its way into an unknown future. As I see it, post-Synthesis civilization will explore new horizons and meet new challenges, some of which would be unfathomable to those who came before.
(4) What happens with the husks is a matter of speculation. They may have become alive, infused with a part of the Reaper gestalt mind as avatars of them (I think this is more likely), or gained individual consciousness, but while they'll possibly be part of civilization now, I can't imagine them to live side by side with humans for quite some time. Not until the wounds from the war have healed.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 juin 2012 - 05:12 .

[MattFini]

Ieldra2 wrote...
(4) What happens with the husks is a matter of speculation. They may have become alive, infused with a part of the Reaper gestalt mind as avatars of them, or gained individual consciousness, but while they'll possibly be part of civilization now, I can't imagine them to live side by side with humans for quite some time.

Unfortunately, that's the implication that the cut scene now gives us.  The husk and the solider exchange a look of understanding.  

The husks - cruel, existing mockerys of their victims - gain awareness and understanding.  And then they go on to survive.  

The psychological damage  done by this, not to mention co-existing with our harbingers of doom, are likely to ruin the lives of so many traumatized survivors. 

[OchreJelly]

Rikketik wrote...

Way I see it, just before the final push, EDI said she felt alive, but at the end of the ride she was still an AI in a robot body. After the Synthesis ending, she was alive in the same way every human, turian or asari was alive. (I hope this doesn't sound too vague.)

*Snip*

I seem to recall the Catalyst AI saying that synthesis didn't alter synthetics beyond helping them understand organics more. I'm not sure how that would make her be more alive than she already was.

Correct me if I'm missing something here, of course...

Modifié par OchreJelly, 27 juin 2012 - 05:57 .

[Rikketik]

MattFini wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
(4) What happens with the husks is a matter of speculation. They may have become alive, infused with a part of the Reaper gestalt mind as avatars of them, or gained individual consciousness, but while they'll possibly be part of civilization now, I can't imagine them to live side by side with humans for quite some time.

Unfortunately, that's the implication that the cut scene now gives us.  The husk and the solider exchange a look of understanding.  

The husks - cruel, existing mockerys of their victims - gain awareness and understanding.  And then they go on to survive.  

The psychological damage  done by this, not to mention co-existing with our harbingers of doom, are likely to ruin the lives of so many traumatized survivors. 

But only with the mindset they had before the synthesis. If there is mutual understanding after it, then the psychological damage would not be as severe.

This whole discussion reminds me of the conversation between Adams and Ken whether EDI is the Normandy or if she's just part of it. At one point Adams says "[Ken has] to look beyond that limited definition of life". It's the same with synthesis: you have to look beyond that limited "Reapers are the enemey, grr!" mindset. I mean, the slides show the Reapers and the formerly organics work together in harmony. Why are you trying to bend that to "but the survivors must be traumatized!" when the game implies that they aren't?

@ OchreJelly: I don't remember that, but I will have to watch the scene again to be sure. If you're right, her statement indeed becomes a bit more cryptic.

[Hicks233]

They'll be peaceful and happy until they find something kill each other over.

YOUR EYES ARE TOO GREEN
YOUR EYES AREN'T GREEN ENOUGH
RAWWWRGHHHH!

<_<

[IronSabbath88]

You know, for as much as BioWare pushes Synthesis as a good thing, Legion himself wouldn't approve of it. He told us to build our own future. Building our own future definitely does not entail mixing DNA with every synthetic (*cough* reaper *cough) being in the galaxy...

[generalofmars]

step 1) space magic
step 2) new DNA
step 3) ???
step 4) profit!

[Omeganian]

The post credits ending doesn't make sense. Why would a future with humans and AI merged forget details?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It's a pretty color of green. They don't realize that since they created a "utopia" it means that there is no more beer, no more ale, no more vodka, no more bourbon, no more pizza, no more cheese, no more calamari gumbo, no more weed, and that everyone will be standing around singing praises to the overlord .... the Starbrat. You know the one who came up with the insane idea in the first place.

pssst.... they don't tell you that.

But the tint of green is pretty...if you're into that sort of thing.

And you get to commune with the reapers! And they get to commune with you! Isn't that nice?

Part of me wonders if this whole thing was a psychological experiment.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 27 juin 2012 - 06:33 .