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[RShara]

We were told that an overall LI or ME2 Squadmates DLC would be more likely than a single-character DLC. So we're all for that too

[Renmiri1]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Bumping up my support....if we can also get a Samara dlc romance and Jacob...or atleast an option to call out on jacob for being a cheater and not take it like some waify wife with self esteem issues. (Hell if they are gonna turn him into a stereotype I should get the option to slap him and call him out on it grumble grumble)

Ty for the support, and ya, Jacob's character was also assassinated. He was always for integrity then he cheats ? WTF ?

BTW, the EC has this nice scene of Jacob, not sure if you saw it

[jeff359]

SeraphSkye wrote...

I don't get it, the guy is terminally ill, we all know this frmo the get-go. He already lived way beyond his projected lifespan according to the doctors, months have passed since ME2 and the start of ME3. The guy died protecting what he believed in and came to Shepard's aid when it mattered.

Thane's bittersweet chapter was closed, and I loved the way they did it.

Agreed

[RShara]

jeff359 wrote...

SeraphSkye wrote...

I don't
get it, the guy is terminally ill, we all know this frmo the get-go. He
already lived way beyond his projected lifespan according to the
doctors, months have passed since ME2 and the start of ME3. The guy died
protecting what he believed in and came to Shepard's aid when it
mattered.

Thane's bittersweet chapter was closed, and I loved the way they did it.

Agreed

RShara wrote...

Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
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Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
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Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
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Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
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Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
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Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.
Romanced Thane is not at peace with dying.


Maybe if we say it enough times people will listen?

[DashRunner92]

Optimystic_X wrote...

firel wrote...

We want an option. Let me bold it again and underline since you need some help. Option. In the same way you have an option to save:
Mordin
Tali
Miranda
and Jack

Point of order - none of those were terminally ill.

And saving Mordin requires some pretty ****ty choices on Shepard's part anyway.

Actually in the right circumstances, not curing the genophage is actually the better choice. This surprised me a lot during my Renegade playthrough. I had thought that it would be cruel to trick the Krogan, but when you get Wreav + dead Eve, who would of been the only one who could of possibly guided the Krogan away from war. It's pretty obvious that curing the genophage will start another war once the Reapers are defeated. Especially when it's stated that Wreav has one of the largest stockpile of weapons of mass destruction.Of course this all goes out the window if Wrex is alive.

Modifié par DashRunner92, 28 juin 2012 - 05:25 .

[RShara]

DashRunner92 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

firel wrote...

We want an option. Let me bold it again and underline since you need some help. Option. In the same way you have an option to save:
Mordin
Tali
Miranda
and Jack

Point of order - none of those were terminally ill.

And saving Mordin requires some pretty ****ty choices on Shepard's part anyway.

Actually in the right circumstances, no curing the genophage is actually the better choice. This surprised me a lot during my Renegade playthrough. I had thought that it would be cruel to trick the Krogan, but when you get Wreav + dead Eve, who would of been the only one who could of possibly guided the Krogan away from war. It's pretty obvious that curing the genophage will start another war once the Reapers are defeated. Especially when it's stated that Wreav has one of the largest stockpile of weapons of mass destruction.Of course this all goes out the window if Wrex is alive.

Tali taking off her suit in a non-sterile chamber should have killed her, not just given her a headcold

[Renmiri1]

jeff359 wrote...

SeraphSkye wrote...

I don't get it, the guy is terminally ill, we all know this frmo the get-go. He already lived way beyond his projected lifespan according to the doctors, months have passed since ME2 and the start of ME3. The guy died protecting what he believed in and came to Shepard's aid when it mattered.

Thane's bittersweet chapter was closed, and I loved the way they did it.

Agreed

I just love it how people pay attention. On ME2 Thane has 12 MONTHS to live, this is 6 months later. The thing about a doctor giving him 3 months to live 9 months ago ? Is an ME3 retcon to make sure Thane's death makes sense to players. Is part of the changes they made to make Thane so easily discarded. If it was true, Thane could have never been a part of your ME2 team as he would be unable to breathe and weak as he is on ME3. Completely bogus and a huge plot hole.

You need a nice heroic death on your ME3 play ? Why don't we ask BW to make it available for your own LI ? Is fun no ? Awesome, the best death ever. Get it for your Sheppard and/or your LI. Such wonderful bittersweet goodnes!

Modifié par Renmiri1, 28 juin 2012 - 05:07 .

[Siansonea]

I think we need a Gavin Hossle DLC, so we can find out what he did with the data Shepard fetched for him on Feros in ME1.




Seriously, Thane's was one of the few story arcs that was completed in a satisfying way. People who don't want to see character deaths in video games shouldn't be playing games in which the main gameplay mechanic is KILLING PEOPLE.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 28 juin 2012 - 05:08 .

[Moira-chan]

d1ta wrote...

Hi, I'm just dropping in to show support

Although I romanced Kaidan (and no one else ever since ME1) I can understand your pain :'( and Jacob mancer's pain as well. We could get very attached to the characters in this universe, especially to the LI's that it's almost insane (hoo boy.. Horizon hurts pretty bad back then.. Didn't move on to other romance in 2 because I just don't want to find anybody else. I'm just glad I got my guy back in 3 *_*)
I just wish they treated all character's romance arc the same, that you don't get 'punished' for loving the wrong 'choice' or the non-canon LI.
I'm fine if the dlc offers choice to let Thane live if you romance him, but he dies if he's just your friend.
Also would like to voice support to retcon the Jacob romance. God that was awful! >.<

thanks for your support i really appreciate it, we won't give up and convince bioware with up

btw: @Squee pls, don't give up, i'm just want to, i can believe, that we can still convince them, even it would be maybe a harder fight then against the reaper, but thane does not deserve, that we give up. he had...we cannot let him fall down too, than nobody would ever care about him anymore and he was too awesome for this

[Moira-chan]

Siansonea II wrote...

I think we need a Gavin Hossle DLC, so we can find out what he did with the data Shepard fetched for him on Feros in ME1.




Seriously, Thane's was one of the few story arcs that was completed in a satisfying way. People who don't want to see character deaths in video games shouldn't be playing games in which the main gameplay mechanic is KILLING PEOPLE.

seriously, it was for a friend. FRIEND i can come up with this, for a romance it was cruel. we all was prepare that he was dying, we really are, but we dont get any li content. NOTHING, absolutly nothing...so his arc for a romance was not done

[Joy Sauce]

Personally, what bothered me most was the one size fits all character treatment. I would have allowed a romanced Thane to join the squad. He would pull through after saving the Salarian councillor. He'd then decide he'd be more valuable trying to save the galaxy instead of waiting to die and then join your crew.

I might still have him die though, but as a romanced Thane, he travel with you on the Normandy, you'd get a proper love scene/paramour achievement before the Cerberus Base. Then during the Cerberus Base mission (you as the player would be forced to take your LI with you I guess) during a cutscene after the fight with Kai Leng, Leng would be about to kill Shepard and Thane would sacrifice himself to take Leng down, and then die in Shepard's arms. The other LI's would have similar moments, but Thane would be the only one guaranteed to die. Garrus, Kaidan/Ash, Tali and Miranda all might die but could be saved through interrupts, and Liara, Jack and Jacob would be guaranteed to survive (the other ME2 romanced could join the squad too, did I mention that?). And if you have no LI or a LI who couldn't go with you, James would go and you'd have a similar situation with him.

Maybe Thane wouldn't be 'guaranteed' to die, those are just some ideas listed off the top of my head, not necessarily what I think would be best. Although I do think there should have been more instances where you're squadmates lives were in peril, and depending on your choices, could die.

Anyways the ME2 romances like many things in the games are big cases of missed opportunities. The was so much potential for them to give each player a truly unique experience, but instead they tried to give everyone the same experience because they didn't want anyone to miss anything, and didn't want to put too much thought into how to deal with all the variables. "Oh you killed the rachni? Well there still here," "Oh you put humans in charge of the council? Well not any more," "Oh you romanced Thane? Well then, you can kiss him, I guess... Now go romance Liara like you're supposed to."

Now I'm just complaining, the ending has been addressed - not perfectly, mind you - but I'm willing to move on to the next most important issue which was ME2 character treatment.

Modifié par Joy Sauce, 28 juin 2012 - 05:17 .

[syllogi]

Siansonea II wrote...

I think we need a Gavin Hossle DLC, so we can find out what he did with the data Shepard fetched for him on Feros in ME1.




Seriously, Thane's was one of the few story arcs that was completed in a satisfying way. People who don't want to see character deaths in video games shouldn't be playing games in which the main gameplay mechanic is KILLING PEOPLE.

I think the point that Thane fans are making is that, while for someone whose Shepard is just a buddy, Thane's death seems okay, for someone who romanced him his appearance was severely lacking.

Much like FemShep creepily asking for a kiss from Jacob right after he admitted dumping her without notice and finding a new woman, it's how Shepard reacts (or doesn't react) to Thane that really needs fixing...or at least acknowledgement.

Would it have been acceptable to Miranda fans to have her death unavoidable on Sanctuary, and have a romanced MaleShep just stare stonefaced as she died (with no acknowledgement of the relationship in that scene), and then never mentioning her again?  I don't think Bioware would have dared to do something like that...because they were thinking about the fans who romanced her.

It really seems like Bioware completely forgot that Thane and Jacob were romanceable, after one or two lines in the script.

Modifié par syllogi, 28 juin 2012 - 05:20 .

[Moira-chan]

syllogi wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I think we need a Gavin Hossle DLC, so we can find out what he did with the data Shepard fetched for him on Feros in ME1.




Seriously, Thane's was one of the few story arcs that was completed in a satisfying way. People who don't want to see character deaths in video games shouldn't be playing games in which the main gameplay mechanic is KILLING PEOPLE.

I think the point that Thane fans are making is that, while for someone whose Shepard is just a buddy, Thane's death seems okay, for someone who romanced him his appearance was severely lacking.

Much like FemShep creepily asking for a kiss from Jacob right after he admitted dumping her without notice and finding a new woman, it's how Shepard reacts (or doesn't react) to Thane that really needs fixing...or at least acknowledgement.

Would it have been acceptable to Miranda fans to have her death unavoidable on Sanctuary, and have a romanced MaleShep just stare stonefaced as she died (with no acknowledgement of the relationship in that scene), and then never mentioning her again?  I don't think Bioware would have dared to do something like that...because they were thinking about the fans who romanced her.

It really seems like Bioware completely forgot that Thane and Jacob were romanceable, after one or two lines in the script.

Yes!! that's what we want, really, thanks they would not dare it to do with liara/kaidan/garrus or miri, with no one, but no one seeme to caare aout thane or jacob, so they're just cut of...
and well, did bioware mentioned they thought a assassin vs assassin fight would be great even if the situation makes no sense? >.< why should thane gave his life for salarian council? just because he was there and he had to die (romance had been shown in me2 that he does not, but thats another topic)

to summe it up: we're not asking for a whole cure (even it had been possible and better, but well, we were all prepared to hadnle his death)...we just dont want him to be killed like this and we wish more, different content for a LI. not more not less

[Renmiri1]

Siansonea II wrote...

I think we need a Gavin Hossle DLC, so we can find out what he did with the data Shepard fetched for him on Feros in ME1.




Seriously, Thane's was one of the few story arcs that was completed in a satisfying way. People who don't want to see character deaths in video games shouldn't be playing games in which the main gameplay mechanic is KILLING PEOPLE.

Siansonea II wrote...
So the whole point of this game was "Take Earth Back. Stop The Reapers. Play House With iWife."? Must have missed that memo. :/

Isn't it cute how you know how everyone else should play the game ? Perhaps you should work at Bioware they seem to be adopting the same philosophy lately

[DashRunner92]

RShara wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

firel wrote...

We want an option. Let me bold it again and underline since you need some help. Option. In the same way you have an option to save:
Mordin
Tali
Miranda
and Jack

Point of order - none of those were terminally ill.

And saving Mordin requires some pretty ****ty choices on Shepard's part anyway.

Actually in the right circumstances, no curing the genophage is actually the better choice. This surprised me a lot during my Renegade playthrough. I had thought that it would be cruel to trick the Krogan, but when you get Wreav + dead Eve, who would of been the only one who could of possibly guided the Krogan away from war. It's pretty obvious that curing the genophage will start another war once the Reapers are defeated. Especially when it's stated that Wreav has one of the largest stockpile of weapons of mass destruction.Of course this all goes out the window if Wrex is alive.

Tali taking off her suit in a non-sterile chamber should have killed her, not just given her a headcold

I was talking about saving Mordin, not the terminally ill part. Plus that is untrue. It would not have killed her, she would have had various high fevers and diseases that would eventually lead to her death. The whole big problem with Quarins is that they have been in sterile suits for so long that their immune system is no longer able to defend against disease. It's that same reason why vaccinations are actually small doses or inactive pathogens. So our bodies are able to produce the anti-bodies needed to fend off the actual disease. ((Though her picture makes no sense and is a massive plot hole. ))

[otis0310]

TullyAckland wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Well if BW don't want to make steps to provide an option to let Thane live, than both BW and EA can say goodbye to ever getting a cent of my money EVER AGAIN!!

Player choice is important, but we also believe those choices are only meaningful when part of a storyline that bears some reality or truth. With Thane, the player faced the experience of developing a bond with a character that had a terminal disease. We felt it would have trivialized Thane’s experience, and the value of that kind of storyline, if the player was able to simply “solve” his problem and let him live happily ever after.


Also, moved this to spoiler forum.

I hate to get off topic with this, but doesn't the fact that the Star Child comes in and "solves" the problem of the reapers trivialize the entire reaper story?  Bioware did not have a problem with this, and I do not see the difference.

Modifié par otis0310, 28 juin 2012 - 05:37 .

[Renmiri1]

otis0310 wrote...

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I hate to get off topic with this, but doesn't the fact that the Star Child comes in and "solves" the problem of the reapers trivialize the entire reaper story?  Bioware did not have a problem with this, and I do not see the difference.

Yup.. In a game full of space magic it is ludicrous to point at one scene and say "we have to be realistic here"

[English Cooper]

The one thing that dissapionted me after Thane died was the fact everybody on the Normandy seemed more concerned that I 'Almost' had to shoot Kaiden/Ashley... Nobody even mentioned Thane after he died except for when you stab KL.. but you say the same thing whether you romanced him or not... I don't think it would have been too hard to have Shepard be a little upset and need to be comforted by Liara or someone.

Jack, Jacob (This one makes you want to shoot him in the face) and Thane romances were all rather glossed over, (Miranda you at least saw more than a couple times)

[Hackulator]

 Thane's death was an amazing scene and should not be changed. I think that was the first time a video game ever made me tear up.

[ThaneKriosIsBoss]

It won't happen. It will be Leviathan of Dis, probably some multiplayer DLC, then likely Omega. I don't think Bioware will do anything for the neglected ME2 characters in terms of DLC.

[Bone3ater]

I'm rooting for Jack DLC tbh :/

[Moira-chan]

Hackulator wrote...

 Thane's death was an amazing scene and should not be changed. I think that was the first time a video game ever made me tear up.

as i said many, many times before: we don't want to erase his death, the option should be there, but we want a choice to have more time with our LI, we want an option to save (and there had been a mission, the doctor even offers an option and then negate it, so what?)
how would you think, if you cannot save tali, garrus, the VI or liara? you wont be confident about it. especially you have just a 3 sentence speak with him and then he dies. what was romance about it?

Modifié par Moira-chan, 28 juin 2012 - 05:52 .

[RShara]

If you know much about people who don't have much in the way of immune systems, depending on how bad it is, a cold would be either debilitating, or a death sentence. She shouldn't have been up and walking around with a sinus infection a few days later, in any case. If we're talking about reality here, of course. My point is, Tali being fine without her suit is just as realistic as having an option to cure Thane

[utaker1988]

otis0310 wrote...



I hate to get off topic with this, but doesn't the fact that the Star Child comes in and "solves" the problem of the reapers trivialize the entire reaper story?  Bioware did not have a problem with this, and I do not see the difference.

Yes and thank you.  I see no difference either.  Actually, Casper made me laugh at the reapers.  Something that should be feared was suddenly made into a mockery.  Oh look,  I can shoot a tube, swan dive into a green light, or hold on to some tubes and POOF there goes the reaper problem.  Sovereign creeped me out, I was desperate to find out how we were supposed to kill a race of beings who did not care about whether we wanted to live, their only goal was starting a new cycle.  I admit Harbinger was just a troll but I still feared the reapers because they were supposed to be hard to defeat, many tried and failed before and they just grew in numbers.  I can no longer play ME1 and take Sovereign seriously or the reapers for that matter.

But back to Thane, I am well aware that the chances of just a Thane DLC are non existent but to add to his romance and put in something to fix the mess that is romanced Jacob, also add an extra dialogue or two for the other ME2 squadmates who were romanced is not that hard.  Let Thane's romance count, give us a little more than a single dialogue that revolves around him dying and then a really OOC public gropefest with porn noises.  The next time we see our LI Thane, he's fighting Leng.   A year ago over on the Thane thread we had ONE fear that if he had to die that he would be forgotten.  And he was.  We could have handled the fact that he died but just don't trash his character progression and romance in the process.  And they did.  

I'm glad some cried tears over his death but when you have romanced him, it is very hard to get emotional and cry over a character you BARELY know anymore because his character and personality has been desimated.  

[fade2black.1337]

The problem with Thane's story arc is not that they choose to make him die. It's that a FemShepard who romanced him don't acknowledge his existance after he dies... hell she doesn't even shed a single TEAR for him (I mean, Shep is a though woman but even the toughest person could cry in that circumsntances!)!

Why not a dream sequence where Shep speaks to or just sees Thane instead of the sex scene before the last missions? a couple of words with edi or liara about how much she misses him if she chooses to remain faithful?