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[Moira-chan]

yeah, fade, that was what i was thinking about too. it was hard that he fade to be forgotten

[Moira-chan]

and to sum up all the imrpession that i've got until now: what the hell is going on with you?

i really avoid to write something like this, but most of you (really most, i'm happy about every supporter but the others) are egoistic and intolerant. and it's really hard to write this.
we're one community and we should stay together to make the game as perfect for as many gamers as possible...
i can fully understand why you're agreed with his death as a friend. let me repeat it: friend.
you expect understanding for your critic but are not willing to see over you vision, your thought of game. i know, that my shepard would do everything to save thane, because she loves him. yes, unbelieveable she's not in love with VI, garrus or even liara o.O no, thane is the man of her heart and she did not even try to help him? that's not shepard anymore.
all i'm asking for to just think you in a position of a thanemancer. he says i'm afraid of dying and i'm ashamed of it he did not want to die, but when you came to huerta and ask him the 3 must be questions, he was ooc, because he was in peace with it. romance thane was not...

by the way...how is it going to touch your game? we're asking for a choice an option, not a new way everyone has to play

please think you in our condition. imagine your LI get a terminally ilness would you deny him/her because of that, would you say: well his chara is awesome, but he will die so i wont romance him? than you're cruel. he was always more than the ill drell, he was always more for me.
for me he was the best supporter for shepard. he always seems to understand how hard her way is and understand what was going on her, he was there for her and give advice. he seemes like on of the charas, shepard can lay her head on the shoulder...
"all the time is yours to taken, siha" he said, but when we saw him in huerta, he does not want to spent time with us, he was in his battlesleep again...i want an option to talk about the new medigel, about the lung transplate he refused, i wanna talk about the future with him.
if all this given alright, he can die, but there should be the option.
even if me3 got more shooter elements, at least it's still a role play game and as i said, my karin would freeze hell to save him, she would cry about him, shouting, screaming, everything, she would not lay him there...she would stay as his side.

but this is all of the view of a romancer.

really people, can't you just free yourself form your impression and try to see it out of our eyes? we're not less and that shows, that we could not be that wrong. we're not clatching on a protest just ebcause we want to, it's because we we're treaten wrong. there where hints and promises, so why was we cut of?
thane was made as the alternative li for kaidan. chris e. tried everything to make him perfect and interessting for femshep...garrus was just be set because the fans want to....
so why should we got the mission to save him, that already been planned, that the doctor in his death scene already offer? just because we romanced the wrong guy? why should we be punish not to chose kaidan/liara/garrus?
just because we don't want them, we got the pain of a ooc thane and bioware said "well, you should have choice liara"
there should be no "right" choice as LI...love never ask for why, never for a better thing, love just comes and what i really hate was, that thane was dead and liaras aked me once again, if we should come together and my shep did not mentioned thane, no she just said: it's not the time.
it ripped my heart and this was the moment i start hated liara or at least what bioware made out of her.

that's all. i'm asking you to think about it, before you responde. and sorry for being harsh, but this not a discussion any more, because most are not listening.

so, moira-chan over and out

Modifié par Moira-chan, 28 juin 2012 - 07:01 .

[giftfish]

Keelah117 wrote...

You cant just bring him back. One of the most emotional scene was his death. (For Me)

There is alot of passion in this thread, which I think is really great. 

It's also awesome to see so many new posters here supporting Thane, especially posters that have not romanced him!  A big THANK YOU for coming into this thread to be supportive and heard.

On the differences in opinion in this thread, here is the issue:
1. ME2 romanced Thane acts very differently than non-romanced Thane. 
2. ME3 romanced Thane acts nothing like ME2 romanced Thane.
3. ME2 & ME3 non-romanced Thane act similarly.

This is why there are 2 very different camps on this, and why both camps are correct in their own way.

One of the biggest issues players seem to have that support Thane's death, is that to them it was a very appropriate and touching end to his character.  These are generally players that have not romanced him, and to them, Thane's ending feels right.  They are afraid that if BW messes with it, that this ending that they enjoyed will be ruined.

To be clear to these players, most Thane supporters are not suggesting that this option be taken away from you. We believe this should remain in the game, as an option.

However, we also want a romanced Thane in ME3, who makes sense in relation to a romanced Thane in ME2.  Currently, he does not.  It's a huge let-down to all the players that romanced him in ME2, who were looking forward to the conclusion of his story in ME3.   

Therefore, all we are asking for is an improvement to how Thane, as a LI,  was handled in ME3.  Ideally, that would come with the option to save him.  Possibly in the form of a cure for Kepral's Syndrome.  This would not only be a cure for Thane, but the entire Drell race suffering from the ailment.

This could make a fantastic sidequest as part of a larger DLC pack that would address the shortcomings of all the romances in ME3.

Modifié par giftfish, 28 juin 2012 - 06:57 .

[Renmiri1]

Hackulator wrote...

 Thane's death was an amazing scene and should not be changed. I think that was the first time a video game ever made me tear up.

I'm glad you got your share of "feels" from the way the game portrayed Thane. Can I ask why are you being against letting me get the same courtesy ? 

You didn't notice that Bioware converted his 12 months to live into "3 months to live 9 months ago", you didn't notice that Thane had a son that needed care, you didn't notice Thane's willingness to die cam from having lost all that was dear to him and being trapped in a profession he abhorred. 

You never took the time to learn about him but you think only your opinion is a valid one, and myself and others that took the time to talk with the character and learn his back story should shut up and take his deah.

Niice.

I find it hard to believe you cried. You don't seem to have much empathy for anyone.

[firel]

fade2black.1337 wrote...

The problem with Thane's story arc is not that they choose to make him die. It's that a FemShepard who romanced him don't acknowledge his existance after he dies... hell she doesn't even shed a single TEAR for him (I mean, Shep is a though woman but even the toughest person could cry in that circumsntances!)!

Why not a dream sequence where Shep speaks to or just sees Thane instead of the sex scene before the last missions? a couple of words with edi or liara about how much she misses him if she chooses to remain faithful?

I appreciate the open mindedness. However I think many of us feel like that would be too little, too late.

[wildannie]

firel wrote...

fade2black.1337 wrote...

The problem with Thane's story arc is not that they choose to make him die. It's that a FemShepard who romanced him don't acknowledge his existance after he dies... hell she doesn't even shed a single TEAR for him (I mean, Shep is a though woman but even the toughest person could cry in that circumsntances!)!

Why not a dream sequence where Shep speaks to or just sees Thane instead of the sex scene before the last missions? a couple of words with edi or liara about how much she misses him if she chooses to remain faithful?

I appreciate the open mindedness. However I think many of us feel like that would be too little, too late.

Yeah, I'm with firel,  Bioware had their chance to show Thanemancers how they could make Thane's death meaningful and touching and they failed.  For me, it was verging on vomit inducing and I ended up in a depression (which I'm prone to), NOT because they had killed Thane but because after all the encouragement and hints(which turned out to be trolling) I perceive what they did to be VERY nasty VERY cruel and made me think that these were not nice people at all whose salaries I've been happily chipping in for the last few years.

[Myrmedus]

I was Thane DLC that plays like Metal Gear Solid: Rising Revengeance.

Yeah baby.

[RShara]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I feel like the death trivialized Thane. Made him pointless, his only purpose was to die and provide another shock value scene to make people cry. Even then, if you don't have him, another NPC can replace him. That NPC actually gives Shepard War Assets and has a higher level of importance over Thane. Thane's importance is a death scene. He's not even listed as a character in the game's guide. He isn't vital at all and I don't understand why they bothered to bring him back. They might as well have saved themselves the trouble of figuring out how to get his body into a bed, wearing the same cloths from ME2, and had a random NPC try to help Shepard.

Even before the game came out, I said that if he had to die, I'd want him to go out with a bang, but I didn't mean for that to be all. I expected it to be much later in the game, after he had a well laid out story in the game. They wanted a tragic death, fine, but it's not great story telling if you made a character only to die in a cool way. Tragic stories are tragic because people were living before, not sitting and waiting to die with a smile on their face. It's almost demented really.

LT expressed this perfectly so I wanted to quote her

[Renmiri1]

If you ever talked with Thane in ME2 you would know he hated being an assassin. He lost his wife because of it. He was sent to assassin training when he was 6 years old. As part of a promise the Drells had with the Hanar. His own choice never mattered.

When he got married the Hanar relieved him of his promise so he didn't have to be an assassin anymore. Assassins can't have families. But Thane had to support a wife and a baby so he did what he knew. And sure enough the mob of one of the baddies he killed came after his wife. He then dedicated his life to getting the killers

He lost everything that meant something to him. He could only find work as something he hated. He could never get close to anyone.

He sees his son taking the same path as him. A son he abandoned to protect from his enemies and to get revenge for his wife. He asks your help to save his son from traveling the same path he did. You help and Koliat is saved. But Thane's son is bitter and lost. Thane stays on the Citadel to care for his lost son.

Then he abandons his son again to save a complete stranger.

It does not make sense, it is not "in character" and worst of all, is ignored by every single NPC. The C Sec chief, whose job is to protect diplomats doesn't give a rat's *** for the guy who just saved an ambassador. The heroic death ? Never happened, Thane never existed, no one remembers him and his son is left alone in the world, still lost.

Is that what everyone thinks is so awesome ? Thane is just a redshirt in a bad Star Trek episode. He goes with the heros to die, all his purpose is to be a corpse..

Modifié par Renmiri1, 28 juin 2012 - 08:45 .

[EvilChani]

giftfish wrote...

Keelah117 wrote...

You cant just bring him back. One of the most emotional scene was his death. (For Me)

There is alot of passion in this thread, which I think is really great. 

It's also awesome to see so many new posters here supporting Thane, especially posters that have not romanced him!  A big THANK YOU for coming into this thread to be supportive and heard.

On the differences in opinion in this thread, here is the issue:
1. ME2 romanced Thane acts very differently than non-romanced Thane. 
2. ME3 romanced Thane acts nothing like ME2 romanced Thane.
3. ME2 & ME3 non-romanced Thane act similarly.

This is why there are 2 very different camps on this, and why both camps are correct in their own way.

One of the biggest issues players seem to have that support Thane's death, is that to them it was a very appropriate and touching end to his character.  These are generally players that have not romanced him, and to them, Thane's ending feels right.  They are afraid that if BW messes with it, that this ending that they enjoyed will be ruined.

To be clear to these players, most Thane supporters are not suggesting that this option be taken away from you. We believe this should remain in the game, as an option.

However, we also want a romanced Thane in ME3, who makes sense in relation to a romanced Thane in ME2.  Currently, he does not.  It's a huge let-down to all the players that romanced him in ME2, who were looking forward to the conclusion of his story in ME3.   

Therefore, all we are asking for is an improvement to how Thane, as a LI,  was handled in ME3.  Ideally, that would come with the option to save him.  Possibly in the form of a cure for Kepral's Syndrome.  This would not only be a cure for Thane, but the entire Drell race suffering from the ailment.

This could make a fantastic sidequest as part of a larger DLC pack that would address the shortcomings of all the romances in ME3.

+1 trillion. 

The way things were handled with Thane - and BioWare's attitude of "oh, we forgot all about him because the guy writing his story had to take a dump and took too long...get over it" - is one of the main reasons the series is completely ruined for me. Their treatment of this character, and his fans, is abysmal. I watched the EC endings and there was a part of me that hoped justice would finally be done, even if it was after they completely screwed up the writing for his story.

All it would've taken was after a destroy ending where Shepard died, or after the "screw you kid, I'd rather die free than as your slave", a femShep who romanced Thane would get a little cutscene...a few moments, nothing more...where it appears she's lost in the darkness (clear that she's dead, but she may not even realize it) and you hear ocean waves, then you see a green hand reaching for her. Hell, they wouldn't even have had to get the voice actor back, they could've done it with a completely silent scene. Just him taking her hand and them walking into a the fog together, then cut to her name being put up on the memorial. So yeah, she's dead, but she's with the one she loves.

And yes, it would've been more than the rest got for their romances, but given the way BioWare utterly pissed in the faces of Thane romancers, I think the ones who romanced others and have their ability for head canon happy endings can get over it. Especially given all the bull**** we have had to endure, not just from BioWare ("Thane doesn't even count as a romance, he was a vibrator to use because Kaidan's bland ass is a GOD and that's who you should've been with!!!) but from people with the 'WELL YOU KNEW HE WAS GONNA DIE, MORONS, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!". Yeah, just like we knew the genophage couldn't be cured, the way we knew the Geth were evil enemies, the way we knew we'd all die on the suicide mission in ME2, and the list goes on. BioWare could've given us a bone, just a little something to show us that we matter, too. But, again, they failed us. 

As much as I'd love it, I have this to say to the other Thane romancers who realize we were all screwed: I wouldn't look for Thane DLC, were I you, because it will not happen. Ever. BioWare clearly has no respect for the character they created and have even less respect for his fans that don't buy into the crap sandwich "tragedy" they gave us for his story. If you want a happy ending, write it. Otherwise, you won't get anything but more people spitting in your faces by telling you that death was the only "logical" option for him. Pigs will fly before BioWare does a damned thing to do justice to Thane's story, or those of us who loved the character. 

[Renmiri1]

Someone had to have a tragic death, to fulfill the need for drama the writers - and many players - have. Thane was expendable and well liked so it would give high drama and wouldn't get too many buyers upset. Female gamers ? We have a female gamer in game, Diana Allers.. That should make them happy!

[LogicGunn]

Thane's death is the reason we lost the battle by direct confrontation. ^^

[wildannie]

EvilChani wrote...
 
...snip..

As much as I'd love it, I have this to say to the other Thane romancers who realize we were all screwed: I wouldn't look for Thane DLC, were I you, because it will not happen. Ever. BioWare clearly has no respect for the character they created and have even less respect for his fans that don't buy into the crap sandwich "tragedy" they gave us for his story. If you want a happy ending, write it. Otherwise, you won't get anything but more people spitting in your faces by telling you that death was the only "logical" option for him. Pigs will fly before BioWare does a damned thing to do justice to Thane's story, or those of us who loved the character. 

I hear you, but I get some small satisfaction from continuing to fight, even if it is futile.  Those who spit in our faces are just demeaning themselves imo.  I know that we are the ones in the right here,  we're not the ones with the power but anyone with an ounce of empathy knows that we have a very valid complaint.  

[mnomaha]

Well, since I'm being completely unrealistic about Thane, then how about this:

I think they should have made shooting the VS mandatory during the coup. And, if you didn't have enough EMS, you shouldn't have talked Tali out of jump. Maybe you shouldn't have been in time to recruit Garrus. And maybe Kai Leng should have won the plot armour war on Thessia and killed Liara.

How's that for realism?

[christrek1982]

TullyAckland wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Well if BW don't want to make steps to provide an option to let Thane live, than both BW and EA can say goodbye to ever getting a cent of my money EVER AGAIN!!

Player choice is important, but we also believe those choices are only meaningful when part of a storyline that bears some reality or truth. With Thane, the player faced the experience of developing a bond with a character that had a terminal disease. We felt it would have trivialized Thane’s experience, and the value of that kind of storyline, if the player was able to simply “solve” his problem and let him live happily ever after.


Also, moved this to spoiler forum.

well said if there was to be any death in ME 3 it had to be thane afterall he did tell you he was dieing since ME2 and that he didn't have long to live I felt it was well done and brought a tear to my eye.

[wildannie]

christrek1982 wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Well if BW don't want to make steps to provide an option to let Thane live, than both BW and EA can say goodbye to ever getting a cent of my money EVER AGAIN!!

Player choice is important, but we also believe those choices are only meaningful when part of a storyline that bears some reality or truth. With Thane, the player faced the experience of developing a bond with a character that had a terminal disease. We felt it would have trivialized Thane’s experience, and the value of that kind of storyline, if the player was able to simply “solve” his problem and let him live happily ever after.


Also, moved this to spoiler forum.

well said if there was to be any death in ME 3 it had to be thane afterall he did tell you he was dieing since ME2 and that he didn't have long to live I felt it was well done and brought a tear to my eye.

*bangs head repeatedly against desk*

I don't know why you bother to comment when you clearly have not taken the time to understand the diverging character arc of Thane in ME2 that was disregarded... and that goes doubly for Tully, I hardly imagine he's got a direct line to the writing of ME... 'we' lol

...oh, and blue babies? 

[christrek1982]

giftfish wrote...

Keelah117 wrote...

You cant just bring him back. One of the most emotional scene was his death. (For Me)

There is alot of passion in this thread, which I think is really great. 

It's also awesome to see so many new posters here supporting Thane, especially posters that have not romanced him!  A big THANK YOU for coming into this thread to be supportive and heard.

On the differences in opinion in this thread, here is the issue:
1. ME2 romanced Thane acts very differently than non-romanced Thane. 
2. ME3 romanced Thane acts nothing like ME2 romanced Thane.
3. ME2 & ME3 non-romanced Thane act similarly.

This is why there are 2 very different camps on this, and why both camps are correct in their own way.

One of the biggest issues players seem to have that support Thane's death, is that to them it was a very appropriate and touching end to his character.  These are generally players that have not romanced him, and to them, Thane's ending feels right.  They are afraid that if BW messes with it, that this ending that they enjoyed will be ruined.

To be clear to these players, most Thane supporters are not suggesting that this option be taken away from you. We believe this should remain in the game, as an option.

However, we also want a romanced Thane in ME3, who makes sense in relation to a romanced Thane in ME2.  Currently, he does not.  It's a huge let-down to all the players that romanced him in ME2, who were looking forward to the conclusion of his story in ME3.   

Therefore, all we are asking for is an improvement to how Thane, as a LI,  was handled in ME3.  Ideally, that would come with the option to save him.  Possibly in the form of a cure for Kepral's Syndrome.  This would not only be a cure for Thane, but the entire Drell race suffering from the ailment.

This could make a fantastic sidequest as part of a larger DLC pack that would address the shortcomings of all the romances in ME3.

I can't disagree with this as I lobyed for a happy ending and reunion with crew and LI in the end I still feel that Thane's death was a very well done sean but I can also see agree that there is nothing wrong with the choice being in there I also agree that ME3 needs more proper side quest and having this in as a side quest that involves all the ME 2 squad mate would be grate.

[christrek1982]

wildannie wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Well if BW don't want to make steps to provide an option to let Thane live, than both BW and EA can say goodbye to ever getting a cent of my money EVER AGAIN!!

Player choice is important, but we also believe those choices are only meaningful when part of a storyline that bears some reality or truth. With Thane, the player faced the experience of developing a bond with a character that had a terminal disease. We felt it would have trivialized Thane’s experience, and the value of that kind of storyline, if the player was able to simply “solve” his problem and let him live happily ever after.


Also, moved this to spoiler forum.

well said if there was to be any death in ME 3 it had to be thane afterall he did tell you he was dieing since ME2 and that he didn't have long to live I felt it was well done and brought a tear to my eye.

*bangs head repeatedly against desk*

I don't know why you bother to comment when you clearly have not taken the time to understand the diverging character arc of Thane in ME2 that was disregarded... and that goes doubly for Tully, I hardly imagine he's got a direct line to the writing of ME... 'we' lol

...oh, and blue babies? 

your point is a fair one I just wanted to voice how I felt on the subject if you read my next post you will see that althogh I liked the sean with thane I'm not against there beeing a choice or a ME2 squad DLC side quests.

I'm sorry if I offended I didn't intend to upset you.

Modifié par christrek1982, 28 juin 2012 - 10:41 .

[Vlk3]

I have my doubts, seeing some posts here and BioWare's attitude. Yet, small part of me still believes in people a bit. I hope that finally someone "in power" will understand that killing a LI, without an option to save him is bad business, because this disrespects and hurts their female players.

BioWare, please reconsider this. I believe, majority of fans wouldn't mind DLC that would include, among other things, possibility to save romanced Thane. There will be always someone who will complain, but in fact those people don't seem to care and eventually will get over it. Those, who care the most, would be delighted. Those who don't care that much, but still empathic enough to understand our concerns, would respect BioWare for doing the right thing.


And you would show your female fanbase that you do care and want to create games that treat equally your customers and are entertaining for both genders. Now that would be better than trying to please those, who oppose an option in RPG, which is build on player's choices.


I am okay with characters dying, but LI's in your games are so great that we really get attached to them. They should not be taken away at all. It kills all the fun and I really would like to enjoy this game. ME1 and ME2 are great, ME3 has it's moments but they are ruined for me because of Thane.

So, once again: Please, do the right thing.

Modifié par Vlk3, 28 juin 2012 - 10:58 .

[disc0nnect7]

TullyAckland wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Player choice is important, but we also believe those choices are only meaningful when part of a storyline that bears some reality or truth. With Thane, the player faced the experience of developing a bond with a character that had a terminal disease. We felt it would have trivialized Thane’s experience, and the value of that kind of storyline, if the player was able to simply “solve” his problem and let him live happily ever after.


Also, moved this to spoiler forum.

I would put the counter-argument that while that is certainly valid, the reality the Shepard does not ever reflect on Thane again, throughout the entire game (minus the one slide now introduced in the EC) and that the "romance" feels less like an actual romantic moment and more of a quick tumble in the hay is what most Thane fans are upset about. And given how much space was devoted to characters like Liara, I do understand where fans of other characters are coming from. That is my theory on why people want more Thane - because the game content is put together in a way that makes you wonder if it's just there because it "had to be".

Do you not remember what is said during Kai Leng's demise?

Oh, right that makes his role in the game completely better. Man Bioware, you really don't like Thanemancers do you?

[christrek1982]

Vlk3 wrote...

I have my doubts, seeing some posts here and BioWare's attitude. Yet, small part of me still believes in people a bit. I hope that finally someone "in power" will understand that killing a LI, without an option to save him is bad business, because this disrespects and hurts their female players.

BioWare, please reconsider this. I believe, majority of fans wouldn't mind DLC that would include, among other things, possibility to save romanced Thane. There will be always someone who will complain, but in fact those people don't seem to care and eventually will get over it. Those, who care the most, would be delighted. Those who don't care that much, but still empathic enough to understand our concerns, would respect BioWare for doing the right thing.


And you would show your female fanbase that you do care and want to create games that treat equally your customers and are entertaining for both genders. Now that would be better than trying to please those, who oppose an option in RPG, which is build on player's choices.


I am okay with characters dying, but LI's in your games are so great that we really get attached to them. They should not be taken away at all. It kills all the fun and I really would like to enjoy this game. ME1 and ME2 are great, ME3 has it's moments but they are ruined for me because of Thane.

So, once again: Please, do the right thing.

yes I agree with this but he must be romanced it would be a nice reward for the one who chose to romance him romance Talis shoul also get a proper look at her face rather than just a photo.

[The Interloper]

Thane's death was fairly cool disregarding Shepard and co from being very unhelpful, but sure, more content for romancers would be good. Of course, more content in general would be good.

[Jonathan Sud]

I found Thane's death suited his character. He's been preparing for death ever since you met him, and he's accepted that it will happen. It would just ruin all that dialogue if we found out how to cure Kepral's Syndrome. Look at how peaceful he's become when you meet him in ME3. He's happy with how his life turned out.

And yes, I did romance him on a Femshep, and I felt it was one of the more powerful romances. Was I upset when he died? Of course, I teared up quite a bit, actually. His prayer for you was very heartwarming.

One thing I WOULD change, is them getting nasty in the hospital. That's just...eww.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Thane's death was one of the saddest moments of ME3, and I know it sounds weird, but I enjoyed having that kind of emotion. Having said that, having a Thane DLC that takes place before the Cerberus coup would be 11 kinds of awesome.