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[Carlthestrange]

Thane is... well, kinda dead.

[disc0nnect7]

mnomaha wrote...

Well, since I'm being completely unrealistic about Thane, then how about this:

I think they should have made shooting the VS mandatory during the coup. And, if you didn't have enough EMS, you shouldn't have talked Tali out of jump. Maybe you shouldn't have been in time to recruit Garrus. And maybe Kai Leng should have won the plot armour war on Thessia and killed Liara.

How's that for realism?

Yup, agreed. Thane is the only mandatory death. I doubt we could kill Liara if we tried. There are options for everyone else, but not Thane because he has an illness? This is Mass Effect, it's not exactly far fetched to cure a terminal illness. Crazier things have been done. I would be okay with Thane dying (since Shepard dies in the end anyway), but I don't like how he died. He never wanted to die in a hospital bed. I ask for more time with my one and only LI, before he and Shepard must sacrifice themselves for the good of the galaxy. And if there is somehow a "happy ending"  DLC for Shepard and all the other LI's (besides Thane, Jacob, and Samara since they apparently don't count) I will be very bitter to be shafted from my happy ending with my LI.

[Renmiri1]

Jonathan Sud wrote...

I found Thane's death suited his character. He's been preparing for death ever since you met him, and he's accepted that it will happen. It would just ruin all that dialogue if we found out how to cure Kepral's Syndrome. Look at how peaceful he's become when you meet him in ME3. He's happy with how his life turned out.

And yes, I did romance him on a Femshep, and I felt it was one of the more powerful romances. Was I upset when he died? Of course, I teared up quite a bit, actually. His prayer for you was very heartwarming.

One thing I WOULD change, is them getting nasty in the hospital. That's just...eww.

??? Did you not do his loyalty mission ?

Were him and his son "all set" by the end of ME2 ? No, not at all, as Thane said himself, 'It's difficult. All things worth keeping are.'..  which you would have heard if you romanced him or even just talked to him after the mission. Things worth keeping. His son.

A romanced Thane gets afraid of dying, not of death but of losing his son and his beloved. He stops to appreciate a sunset, something he hasn't done in years. He found new joy in life and Sheppard was the source of that joy.

Then on ME3 she isn't anymore. He craves death, even with a son to raise. That is not the Thane we saw on ME2.

Carlthestrange wrote...

Thane is... well, kinda dead.

 

Your powers of observation are amazing. 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 28 juin 2012 - 11:37 .

[mnomaha]

Jonathan Sud wrote...

I found Thane's death suited his character. He's been preparing for death ever since you met him, and he's accepted that it will happen. It would just ruin all that dialogue if we found out how to cure Kepral's Syndrome. Look at how peaceful he's become when you meet him in ME3. He's happy with how his life turned out.

And yes, I did romance him on a Femshep, and I felt it was one of the more powerful romances. Was I upset when he died? Of course, I teared up quite a bit, actually. His prayer for you was very heartwarming.

One thing I WOULD change, is them getting nasty in the hospital. That's just...eww.

Um, yeah, except that everyone gets that prayer. It is not specific to a romanced Shep. The email (letter) yeah, recycled from Lair of the Shadow Broker.

No achievement, no tears, no facial expression at all really, no comfort from your squaddies, no mention of him at all except from Troll Leng. That is the biggest part of our frustration.

So glad you enjoyed it. Obviously your Shep didn't have him stay right before the suicide mission or you would have noticed a change in his attitude.

But we do agree on the hospital scene...

edit: ninja'd by Ren

Modifié par mnomaha, 28 juin 2012 - 11:39 .

[disc0nnect7]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Jonathan Sud wrote...

I found Thane's death suited his character. He's been preparing for death ever since you met him, and he's accepted that it will happen. It would just ruin all that dialogue if we found out how to cure Kepral's Syndrome. Look at how peaceful he's become when you meet him in ME3. He's happy with how his life turned out.

And yes, I did romance him on a Femshep, and I felt it was one of the more powerful romances. Was I upset when he died? Of course, I teared up quite a bit, actually. His prayer for you was very heartwarming.

One thing I WOULD change, is them getting nasty in the hospital. That's just...eww.

??? Did you not do his loyalty mission ?

Were him and his son "all set" by the end of ME2 ? No, not at all, as Thane said himself, 'It's difficult. All things worth keeping are.'..  which you would have heard if you romanced him or even just talked to him after the mission. Things worth keeping. His son.

A romanced Thane gets afraid of dying, not of death but of losing his son and his beloved. He stops to appreciate a sunset, something he hasn't done in years. He found new joy in life and Sheppard was the source of that joy.

Then on ME3 she isn't anymore. He craves death, even with a son to raise. That is not the Thane we saw on ME2.

Carlthestrange wrote...

Thane is... well, kinda dead.

 

Your powers of observation are amazing. 

I agree with Renmiri. Jonathan, If you romanced Thane then you'd know that Thane was not resigned to death after his loyalty mission and time with Shepard. He accepted his body's death when we first met him, just trying to make the world a better place before he died. After reuniting with Kolyat and finding love with Shepard he realizes he has something worth living for, he appreciates life. It's like a revelation, that enough should have given him resolve to live. Too bad they character assassinated him in ME3, it was just all OOC from the Thane we knew and loved in ME2.

And yes, the hospital makeout was really awkward...

[PsyrenY]

Don't any of you care about his dead wife? It would be one thing if he were a gay romance, but...

[G Kevin]

I say, why not? Get someone else to replace Thane's place, or make Thane survive.

[edwardhazelden]

Thane had a death sentence on him as soon as he entered the game. Hell he basically tells you he's hardly got more than a month or slightly more to live. Would you rather him go down fighting space ninja Kai Leng or just go slowly and painfully later on and die to some damn disease?

[CHALET]

Thanemancers are trying to top Talimancers these days.

Yes, there should have been more romance specific dialogue for when he finally dies. At the same time that could be said for any romance. Look at Kelly-mancers, they barely get about four lines and does she even appear in the EC "remembering before you die" bit?

Thane's death was one of the better, emotional, moments of the game. It shouldn't be cheapened because of a "happily ever after" in my opinion. He was marked for death the moment we met him in Mass Effect 2, at least he went out on his terms and in a badass manner.

Modifié par CHALET, 28 juin 2012 - 11:55 .

[v3paR]

I really don't think we will see any DLC with optional characters for the main ME3 plot. And the reason is very simple. They would need to record their voice, add cutscenes and test god know how many variables to make this work. Considering many players didn't even "use" Thane as squadmate in ME2/ME3 is just wasting money at this point. Don't get me wrong but i wouldn't buy such DLC.

However i would really like to see some DLC with one of the squadmates as main character, doing some cool missions while Shepard was dead (in ME2) or chasing Reapers or even before they meet him. Thane as assassin, Kasumi as a hacker or Miranda as ruthless Cerberus executor

[warlock22]

edwardhazelden wrote...

Thane had a death sentence on him as soon as he entered the game. Hell he basically tells you he's hardly got more than a month or slightly more to live. Would you rather him go down fighting space ninja Kai Leng or just go slowly and painfully later on and die to some damn disease?

thane says he has 6 to 8 months to live. And Thane in ME2 could beat Leng, and the disease he has can be cured, as BioWare said you could do. But they took that away, not sure why but I've pretty much given up on trying to understand why they lied to use about so many things, cant make logic out of bullsh*t.

[giftfish]

edwardhazelden wrote...

Thane had a death sentence on him as soon as he entered the game. Hell he basically tells you he's hardly got more than a month or slightly more to live. 

Actually, that's incorrect.  He has quite a bit longer than that to live.  I forget his exact quote, but it's more along the lines of 9 months if I remember correctly.  I'm sure someone here will chime in to provide the exact number.

Also, if you take the time to read these threads, exhaust Thane's conversation options in game, and read his LotSB materials, you find out that the option for a cure or a lung transplant is extremely viable. 

In other words, BW provided themselves an "out" for his "inevitable" death.  We'd just liket o see an option to explore this further in game, while retaining the current option for him to pass away for other players that find that more appropriate.

Modifié par giftfish, 28 juin 2012 - 11:59 .

[brentcerickson]

Just let him die as is. It was a touching moment. Then "This is for Thane you son of a ****!" was frakin awesome.

[giftfish]

v3paR wrote...
However i would really like to see some DLC with one of the squadmates as main character, doing some cool missions while Shepard was dead (in ME2) or chasing Reapers or even before they meet him. Thane as assassin, Kasumi as a hacker or Miranda as ruthless Cerberus executor

I think there is a thread going on this, so you might want to put your suggestion there.

[Vlk3]

CHALET wrote...

Thanemancers are trying to top Talimancers these days.

I don't recall trying to stop Talimancers. We should work together to get more content and not fight each other. What good will it do?

[jtav]

I romanced Thane once upon a time. He was my favorite LI. But I knew from the moment I met him that this story would not end with a happily ever after. The very fact that it's a tragic romance was part of the appeal. Thane's illness is just as much a part of his character as Miranda's love for her sister is of hers. I fully support better romance acknowledgement, but you shouldn't be surprised when a character who is introduced as dying and is motivated in large part to atone before his death, actually dies. You knew what you were getting into.

[Cucobr]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA


Do you know when BioWare will see the color of my money again? NEVER.

I'll do this for Shepard. He did not deserve an ending like that ... not after we passed.

[giftfish]

brentcerickson wrote...

Just let him die as is. It was a touching moment. Then "This is for Thane you son of a ****!" was frakin awesome.

Again, to reiterate.  We are not suggesting that this be removed from the game.  Thane romancers understand that some players enjoy the current ending, and that is fine. 

What we are suggesting is that Thane's romance be revamped so it is more in line with his romance in ME2, rather than out of character as it stands now. Ideally, the option to save Thane would provided, and certainly not required.  This option could be implemented as a side mission to head to Kahje (a planet we haven't seen before); a cure for Thane would be a cure for what remains of the entire Drell race.

[Jonathan Sud]

disc0nnect7 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Jonathan Sud wrote...

I found Thane's death suited his character. He's been preparing for death ever since you met him, and he's accepted that it will happen. It would just ruin all that dialogue if we found out how to cure Kepral's Syndrome. Look at how peaceful he's become when you meet him in ME3. He's happy with how his life turned out.

And yes, I did romance him on a Femshep, and I felt it was one of the more powerful romances. Was I upset when he died? Of course, I teared up quite a bit, actually. His prayer for you was very heartwarming.

One thing I WOULD change, is them getting nasty in the hospital. That's just...eww.

??? Did you not do his loyalty mission ?

Were him and his son "all set" by the end of ME2 ? No, not at all, as Thane said himself, 'It's difficult. All things worth keeping are.'..  which you would have heard if you romanced him or even just talked to him after the mission. Things worth keeping. His son.

A romanced Thane gets afraid of dying, not of death but of losing his son and his beloved. He stops to appreciate a sunset, something he hasn't done in years. He found new joy in life and Sheppard was the source of that joy.

Then on ME3 she isn't anymore. He craves death, even with a son to raise. That is not the Thane we saw on ME2.

Carlthestrange wrote...

Thane is... well, kinda dead.

 

Your powers of observation are amazing. 

I agree with Renmiri. Jonathan, If you romanced Thane then you'd know that Thane was not resigned to death after his loyalty mission and time with Shepard. He accepted his body's death when we first met him, just trying to make the world a better place before he died. After reuniting with Kolyat and finding love with Shepard he realizes he has something worth living for, he appreciates life. It's like a revelation, that enough should have given him resolve to live. Too bad they character assassinated him in ME3, it was just all OOC from the Thane we knew and loved in ME2.

And yes, the hospital makeout was really awkward...

Ah yes, that does make some sense, thoughI still don't feel they handled his death horribly.

[Vlk3]

jtav wrote...

I romanced Thane once upon a time. He was my favorite LI. But I knew from the moment I met him that this story would not end with a happily ever after. The very fact that it's a tragic romance was part of the appeal. Thane's illness is just as much a part of his character as Miranda's love for her sister is of hers. I fully support better romance acknowledgement, but you shouldn't be surprised when a character who is introduced as dying and is motivated in large part to atone before his death, actually dies. You knew what you were getting into.

No, I didn't know. Nothing was decided yet. And at my first playthrough I believed it will be resolved in ME2 in his loyalty mission Then I fully expected him to live in ME3 and get that cure. Not only for him, but for all drell.
Thane is not only his illness, he was much more than that. And I certainly didn't choose that romance for drama.

If someone needs that, then he can choose any other LI and let him/ her die. An option is all i want.

Modifié par Vlk3, 29 juin 2012 - 12:15 .

[mnomaha]

Of course there's the leaked script mission that never happened.

Talk about lost potential...

Modifié par mnomaha, 29 juin 2012 - 12:24 .

[Argetfalcon]

Actually I agree with what they did with Thane. We all knew he was dying better he go out fighting

[RShara]

*bangs head on desk*

[disc0nnect7]

He did die on the hospital bed, though. Before he fought Kai Leng he was content to just sit in Huerta, staring out a window at the Citadel. I was one of those hoping for the fabled Kahje mission. I was hoping for a lot of things from ME3, not just about Thane. Ugh my poor ME2 squad. All shafted.

[giftfish]

RShara wrote...

*bangs head on desk*

/pat pat

We can't force them to actually read the thread, RShara.