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[G Kevin]

No offense, but Legion dying was forced and worse than Thane. However, I do support a Thane DLC because of the simply reason of why not? Hell, Why not make a character DLC for all squadmates. Thus, the DLC would be to the benefit of everyone.

[mnomaha]

No offense taken, and well, no offense back at you but Legion (god love his little flashlight head) wasn't romanceable.

And we don't expect a DLC revolving solely around Thane, although it would be awesome! I think all the ME2 LIs were treated miserably and deserved better.

[G Kevin]

I never had eyes for anyone but Tali so while being biased, I do see that the rest of the ME 2 characters had less content/focus.

I don't mind having more DLC though.

[Renmiri1]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Don't any of you care about his dead wife? It would be one thing if he were a gay romance, but...

???? You are saying that widows should never remarry ? So Cortez should not be romanced either ? 

I'm sorry but having the "wife" or "husband" be in mourning for eternity is very 19th century. Doesn't fit on our century, let alone Sheppard's

[mnomaha]

Wait, what? How did I miss that?

What the hell does it matter if he were gay or not?

[mnomaha]

G Kevin wrote...

I never had eyes for anyone but Tali so while being biased, I do see that the rest of the ME 2 characters had less content/focus.

I don't mind having more DLC though.

Thanks for that. Can never have enough DLC to help erase the other "parts" of the game.

[G Kevin]

mnomaha wrote...

Thanks for that. Can never have enough DLC to help erase the other "parts" of the game.

True enough.

[Renmiri1]

Optimystic_X wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

She's dead and has been for ten years. She will always be a part of Thane. Just as anyone who has lost a husband/wife will always remember and cherish their lost love.

And now he's finally going to her. So let him.

??? Did you not talk to Thane at all during ME2 ? He has a son, his dead wife would not want the boy being raised without a father.

I have kids. If I die I do not want the father of my children to die and leave my kids alone. No mother would want that EVER.

Also I believe no wife that truly loved her husband would rather he die than he be happy with another woman. Maybe you are different and want your partner to die if you die, but it is a very rare position to take. Rare and extremely selfish.

Optimystic_X wrote... 
I have no problem with more Thane/better romance prior to his death. But the OP wants a miracle cure for his waifu, not a better send-off.

I think you misunderstood the OP

Optimystic_X wrote... 
EDIT: Rereading, it's even creepier than that. "Thane shouldn't be forced to go under any circumstances." So it looks like the OP wants to strap a graybox to his head and keep him in Shep's cabin, forever.

You definitely misunderstood the OP. He didn't want this, though Kasumi did want that and got it on the Extended Cut. But the space magic is only for Kasumi.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 29 juin 2012 - 04:00 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Reading through the posts here, I'm not surprised to see so many are opposed to the idea of giving Thane more content and potentially curing him. I'll be a little blunt: You guys got what you wanted with your LI's. It's not cool to act like this in front of those who didn't.

Until ME3, Thane's romance used to be the most beautifully written romantic subplot I've ever seen in a video game. It was well-rounded, reflective, and mature. To go into ME3 expecting a decent continuation of this romance (regardless of whether he lives or dies) was not only natural, but also earned because we did get a beautiful experience in ME2. We ended up getting kicked in the face. And trust me, if you've never romanced Thane and imported a character who has into ME3, chances are you won't get how painful this really is. There isn't even a freakin' Paramour achievement for him.

[ThatDancingTurian]

syllogi wrote...

Did you play this game, that takes place in space, featuring space magic, aliens, and the Synthesis ending?

Cure a terminal illness OH GOD THAT IS SO UNREALISTIC let me get back to my ending where the power of love causes cyber pixie dust to make everybody happy and the same.

I'm not going to get into this argument except to say this: I don't think Synthesis is something any future writing should aspire to. Seriously, please, no more space magic.

[RShara]

I think a lot of us Thane fans would agree that synthesis is horrible and waayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more unrealistic than a cure for Thane

[mnomaha]

No, no synthesis. I cannot make a decision for the entire galaxy. That is as immoral/unethical/alltheothers as what the Reapers do.

Modifié par mnomaha, 29 juin 2012 - 05:35 .

[RShara]

and the fact that the galaxy seems to be okay with it means there's definitely some mental re-writing going on too. Because I just can't see *everyone* being suddenly ooooohhh that's good!

[mnomaha]

So now they are green eyed hybrids that are also indoctrinated.

Wow, that's like us. Neither one of us got an options or choices.

[Renmiri1]

Is creepy but EDI and the Geth survive and Kasumi gets her LI back. I can't think of my Sheppard killing all Geth like that, she rescued them from so much!

[mnomaha]

Sorry guys, but I'm in another thread discussing this exact thing.

http://social.biowar...519/10#12856063

However, if I were to chose the creepy green ending, I want what Kasumi got.

[RShara]

It would be an interesting dilemma--get Thane back but only by violating the free will of everything in the galaxy. Now that'd be a CHOICE!

[Moira-chan]

as i read through the last pages that came that night i got the feeling, i should repost my two posts:

first:

and to sum up all the imrpession that i've got until now: what the hell is going on with you?

i really avoid to write something like this, but most of you (really most, i'm happy about every supporter but the others) are egoistic and intolerant. and it's really hard to write this.
we're one community and we should stay together to make the game as perfect for as many gamers as possible...
i can fully understand why you're agreed with his death as a friend. let me repeat it: friend.
you expect understanding for your critic but are not willing to see over you vision, your thought of game. i know, that my shepard would do everything to save thane, because she loves him. yes, unbelieveable she's not in love with VI, garrus or even liara o.O no, thane is the man of her heart and she did not even try to help him? that's not shepard anymore.
all i'm asking for to just think you in a position of a thanemancer. he says i'm afraid of dying and i'm ashamed of it so he did not want to die, but when you came to huerta and ask him the 3 must be questions, he was ooc, because he was in peace with it. romance thane was not...

by the way...how is it going to touch your game? we're asking for a choice an option, not a new way everyone has to play

please think you in our condition. imagine your LI get a terminally ilness would you deny him/her because of that, would you say: well his chara is awesome, but he will die so i wont romance him? than you're cruel. he was always more than the ill drell, he was always more for me.
for me he was the best supporter for shepard. he always seems to understand how hard her way is and understand what was going on her, he was there for her and give advice. he seemes like on of the charas, shepard can lay her head on the shoulder...
"all the time is yours to taken, siha" he said, but when we saw him in huerta, he does not want to spent time with us, he was in his battlesleep again...i want an option to talk about the new medigel, about the lung transplate he refused, i wanna talk about the future with him.
if all this given alright, he can die, but there should be the option.
even if me3 got more shooter elements, at least it's still a role play game and as i said, my karin would freeze hell to save him, she would cry about him, shouting, screaming, everything, she would not lay him there...she would stay as his side.

but this is all of the view of a romancer.

really people, can't you just free yourself form your impression and try to see it out of our eyes? we're not less and that shows, that we could not be that wrong. we're not clatching on a protest just ebcause we want to, it's because we we're treaten wrong. there where hints and promises, so why was we cut of?
thane was made as the alternative li for kaidan. chris e. tried everything to make him perfect and interessting for femshep...garrus was just be set because the fans want to....
so why should we got the mission to save him, that already been planned, that the doctor in his death scene already offer? just because we romanced the wrong guy? why should we be punish not to chose kaidan/liara/garrus?
just because we don't want them, we got the pain of a ooc thane and bioware said "well, you should have choice liara"
there should be no "right" choice as LI...love never ask for why, never for a better thing, love just comes and what i really hate was, that thane was dead and liaras aked me once again, if we should come together and my shep did not mentioned thane, no she just said: it's not the time.
it ripped my heart and this was the moment i start hated liara or at least what bioware made out of her.

that's all. i'm asking you to think about it, before you responde. and sorry for being harsh, but this not a discussion any more, because most are not listening.

so, moira-chan over and out

and second, to cut of the "he has to die thing", my medical essay that shows that he's easy to save at this moment (not to cure Kepral):

"Dear Bioware,

I would like to introduce myself, my name is Moria Müller and I’m from Germany. I’m 21yrs old and I have been studying Biology for the last two years. Before I present to you why I am writing this letter, I would like to say a few things.

I would like to thank you for this wonderful trilogy that you have given to me. I love the entire series and I enjoy playing every minute of it. However I am concerned about one issue I feel that Mass Effect 3 has.

I am upset over the poor treatment of Thane Krios in Mass Effect 3. You all made such a wonderful, amazing, incredible character that there are no words to fully describe how awesome he is. When I began the Mass Effect series, I started off in the second game because I own a PS3. When I was on Horizon, I met Kaidan for the first time and I wasn’t familiar with character. If you were to look through my eyes and see it from my point of view, the scene on Horizon does not shed good light on him. However I continue the game and everything changed when Thane appears. It was a wonderful scene, so cool, so impressive, and whoever created him has my full respect. It was just so awesome!
So I should finally get to the point of why I am writing this letter or otherwise I can continue talking about why Thane is so wonderful forever. He is (and I think he will probably always be) the video game character love of my life.

The reason I am writing is because I would like to explain to you what I think about the final scene in Huerta Hospital when Shepard is talking to the doctor. To sum it up, what is said about Kepral’s Syndrome in Mass Effect is similar to the dysfunction of protein like our hemoglobin, it cannot transport the oxygen properly. I am guessing it is in the iron complex because that is where the oxygen is bound. Of course you never said the protein of Drell is like our hemoglobin but because they are also beings based on carbonate; I feel I can apply human facts on Drells.

Thane was stabbed by Kai Leng’s sword. As far as I can judge it, Leng did not hit a critical place so the inner organs should not be injured. The only problem Thane had was his blood loss. For medicine, that is highly more developed in the 22th Century this should not be a big problem. Even though Thane did lose a lot of blood, which affects his oxygen flow however over the years of already having this problem his body have gotten use to it. I really though the Citadel, the capitol of the universe, having so many different species living there that they would have enough reserve of blood for everyone. This is especially true when you find the data pad in the hospital to cure Hanars. So why can’t we find something for the Drell?

The only critical thing while losing blood is time. If you reach the hospital just in time it’s not usually a big problem, even if Thane’s hemoglobin did not work as well as it used too. However with a trained, strong body he had, he could handle a lot even with the shock that follows after a huge blood lost. I am guessing that Thane comes quickly to Huerta because it’s not that far away from the presidium and with Bailey’s help, Thane would have needed around ten minutes to get ready for his operation. In today’s world it takes that long just for the ambulance to even arrive.

While in operation, Thane’s lungs and blood are pumped with a lot of oxygen to keep him alive. So that means that every hemoglobin protein is caring oxygen. Carbon dioxide is a kind of concurrent for the oxygen in our body. It is transported mostly with the blood itself-in the liquid-but also a few molecules are transported with the help of hemoglobin. In our bodies there is a mechanism that oxygen can crowd out carbon dioxide out of the hemoglobin, because it changes the structure of the protein and release the bond carbon dioxide. So while Thane is in the operation, it can be sure, that every hemoglobin protein in his remaining blood carries as much oxygen as possible. One protein is able to carry more than one molecule of oxygen, so it compensates his lost.

Actually you never said how much blood an adult Drell has, I am guessing its quiet the same as humans because they have nearly the same size and structure, so the needs of metabolism for oxygen should be quite the same. With an injury like Thane’s, the time it took to get to Huerta, I concluded that he had lost about 2-3 liters of blood. Thane as being an adult would have 6-7 liters, so he lost something around 33% of his normal blood level and something like this can be handled with modern medicine. So how can this be a problem for the future? A future with scientific engineering wonders? Miranda is cloned out of stem cells from her father and is genetically perfect. Shepard overcame death is another example. But it is not possible to rescue a Drell with blood loss? I cannot even believe this.

I know that Kolyat needed time to arrive at the hospital but we don’t know where he has been this entire time. He wasn’t with Bailey, but I can image that Bailey called him right after the ambulance shuttle for Thane arrived. So the time difference shouldn’t be a huge one. A transfusion from erythrocyte could make up for the lost of time. This method is used today to compensate a blood loss from 2-3 litters. Erythrocytes are the cells in the “red spinal cord” which produces the red blood cells and hemoglobin. In case of losing blood a special regulation in the genes (it’s kind of a button which is pushed by a special chemistry to start the translation of the special gene “area”) the production of it increases and the needs of unnecessary organs are slowed down and the body can survive.

So returning back to what the doctor said to Shepard at the hospital. He told Shepard that Thane needed more blood (which is logical so far), but when Shepard offers to bring more he denies her saying that it would not help. He states that the only Drell that can help is his son Kolyat. Is this even for real? A citadel hospital, the capital of the universe does not have conserves of Drell blood? There are no other Drells on the Citadel? I just thought there must have been a few…. or is Kolyat the only one on the entire station? Which doesn’t make sense at all.
Considering that there are some Drells there but they don’t fit Thane’s blood type. It offers the idea that Drells do have quite more different blood types than we have so that a transfusion is difficult, because his body may reject the donated blood. This would be an evolutionary disadvantage for Drells, because they were hunters and so blood losses often happen in their life.
I have to admit though that reptiles, which are use as a reference for Drells, don’t have blood types. The structure of the blood is different to every individual so donation to other reptiles is not possible. But if Drells are like reptiles, Kolyat wouldn’t be able to donate his blood too, but if you say he can, then there must be different blood types. Even Liara could order Feron to come to Citadel; she would do it for Shepard. As the Shadow Broker she could find ways. But even without other Drells the chances of Thane surviving were never bad because of Kolyat.

Kolyat is around 17, I believe. He also did not spend all of his life on Kahje so Kepral’s would be in the early stages for him. His protein is intact and he has a working iron center for binding the oxygen. Normally a human in the present now can donate up to one liter without any consequences. So Thane would remain alive with a transfusion of 5-6 liters. That is a level near a normal one. The medicine also has the possibility to make Kolyat inhale pure oxygen that his hemoglobin is to only carry oxygen and no carbon dioxide. Kolyat’s blood would remain 5 days within Thane; because this is the time the body needs to exchange the blood (not at same time of course) and will help his father to have enough oxygen for his metabolism. I dare to say that the amount of oxygen within Thane should be quite the same as it is without the injury. The probability that Kolyat’s blood is refused by Thanes body is quite low, because they are father and son, their genetic material is of 50% equal. So if Kolyat’s donation offers Shepard the time to go to Kahje to get blood from there, then it would be possible for Thane to survive. He only had to keep on an oxygen mask in the meanwhile.
Another possibility for Kolyat is that he could have also donated erythrocyte and the doctor can implant them into Thane, so he has more cells which are producing hemoglobin.

I hope this short essay shows you that it was quite easy for medicine to save Thane and give him a new chance, even if this solution is not forever, it offers Thane more time together with his Siha/friend. So please, think over how you treated him and give us a chance to save Thane. It doesn’t have to be a permanent cure, but the argument that he has to die does not match what I had explained here.

I worked hard to write a scientific essay in a foreign language, because I care so much about him and how Thane dies was really heart breaking for me. I was afraid of continuing the game, because I don’t want to lose more friends/love. So please, Bioware, please, give us a DLC, give us a choice. It should have been our choice to save him or not. He died too early in the game and left Shepard alone. She doesn’t know anymore what to fight for because her love dead. The whole situation is hard enough for her even without his lost.

Hope this letter brings understanding and explains what I dislike about Thane’s death.

Yours sincerely,

Moira Müller aka Moira-chan on BSN"

but i guess no one would read this, but i just feel better to post it

btw, BeanieBat wrote a wonderfull essay that shows, that thanes disease has been changed. please beanie, can you post it too?

Modifié par Moira-chan, 29 juin 2012 - 06:49 .

[Renmiri1]

There are more Drell in the Citadel, On his deathbed Thane asks Koliat if he has been studying with the monks and Koliat nods in agreement.

[wildannie]

christrek1982 wrote...


your point is a fair one I just wanted to voice how I felt on the subject if you read my next post you will see that althogh I liked the sean with thane I'm not against there beeing a choice or a ME2 squad DLC side quests.

I'm sorry if I offended I didn't intend to upset you.

I appreciate you're response, and I wish my tone had been less snarky as you're clearly a reasonable person.   It was the choices that made Mass Effect so good and it hurt to have choices removed.  
I think it would have been best if all LI character outcomes had some element of choice.  DLC that included a choice to save Thane, romance Samara, stop Jacob from cheating etc would add a further dimension of replayability imo... I'm not particularly in favour of a wholly romance based DLC I think it should be part of it though.  

[Joy Sauce]

What we need is a full Squadmate Expansion Pack. Now I know expansion packs are not fashionable right now with EA with the much more compact and profitable DLCs, but hear me out, you would have:

1. A series of missions involving ME2 characters as temporary squadmates (at least one for each, but preferably more). These would expand on both their characters and the existing story of ME3.
2. Loyalty mission equivalents for current ME3 squadmates, something I found quite lacking in this game.
3. Enhanced dialogue aboard the Normandy - full dialogue wheel with selectable responses from Shepard and properly framed animations, with the characters up close and centered on the screen.
4. Option for ME2 romanced characters the potential to join the Normandy permanently and possible alternate story arcs to accommodate this (yes all 4 of them, not just Jack and Miranda).

I would honestly pay $30 for this, which is the standard going rate for an expansion pack. Who's with me?

[Emerald Rift]

 They butchered Thane's character in ME3 especially if you romanced him. At the end of ME2 he didn't want to die but then in ME3 he's alright with it. A slap in the face imo...The death scene is alright if you didn't romance him but if you did....another slap in the face. 

Bioware just proves they can't get the writers to be consistent with the characters and just use them to move the plot in what ever stupid direction they want it.

[mnomaha]

I would pay for it!

@SR...slaps, kicks and a rocket launcher to the heart

[firel]

Joy Sauce wrote...

What we need is a full Squadmate Expansion Pack. Now I know expansion packs are not fashionable right now with EA with the much more compact and profitable DLCs, but hear me out, you would have:

1. A series of missions involving ME2 characters as temporary squadmates (at least one for each, but preferably more). These would expand on both their characters and the existing story of ME3.
2. Loyalty mission equivalents for current ME3 squadmates, something I found quite lacking in this game.
3. Enhanced dialogue aboard the Normandy - full dialogue wheel with selectable responses from Shepard and properly framed animations, with the characters up close and centered on the screen.
4. Option for ME2 romanced characters the potential to join the Normandy permanently and possible alternate story arcs to accommodate this (yes all 4 of them, not just Jack and Miranda).

I would honestly pay $30 for this, which is the standard going rate for an expansion pack. Who's with me?

Would definitely get this.