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[BeanieBat]

Alright, I don't think many people will read it (it is a bit on the long side), but here it is:

For many people, especially those who romanced him, Thane’s character in ME3 seemed somewhat different from the person we had come to know and love in ME2. Yes, his condition had worsened since we had last had the chance to speak to him, but he also seemed indifferent towards Shepard. He refused to accompany Shepard on the Normandy and didn’t have much to say on the Citadel, except when it came to his illness. Which is what I’d like to discuss. Not only did Thane’s character seem altered in ME3, but his disease also appeared to have changed drastically from what we learned about Kepral’s Syndrome in ME2. As a microbiologist, I had trouble following the “progression” of the disease between ME2 and ME3.

We were first introduced to Kepral’s Syndrome by Thane, who was suffering from the disease when we recruited him. He informed us that it was a non-communicable disease resulting from the inability of Drell lungs to adapt to and cope with Kahje’s humid environment, with prolonged exposure leading to faster progression of the disease. While the Hanar had started researching a cure through studies into genetic engineering, Thane only had 8-12 months to live and was unlikely to see the cure come to fruition. So far, this makes sense.

From reading the Codex, we then find that Kepral’s Syndrome is a bacterial lung disease. This is where it gets slightly confusing, for the following reasons:

- While it’s likely there are new bacterial species on Kahje that the Drell had previously not been exposed to and therefore do not have immunity to, it’s unclear where the humidity of Kahje plays a role, aside from being a reservoir for bacteria. If the Drell were susceptible to infection caused by the bacteria in this environment, then the disease would be likely to occur fairly early on, prolonged exposure to the environment would not be required and would not cause faster progression of the disease.
- A bacterial lung infection would likely be highly transmissible to other susceptible individuals (i.e. other Drell) via aerosol droplets. But Thane said that the disease was “not communicable, even to other Drell”.
- The Hanar are researching in the field of genetic engineering to find a cure, however genetic engineering is not likely to accomplish anything against a bacterial infection. With antibiotic treatment failing (bacteria resistant to Hanar antibiotics), development of a vaccination is probably the best option.

While the discussion with Thane and the Codex seem to present quite a confusing story of Kepral’s Syndrome, a likely scenario can be pieced together, taking information from each. At this stage, my understanding of Kepral’s Syndrome is this:

My understanding of this is that breathing in moist air caused an alteration in the physiology of the Drell lungs, which were originally adapted to arid environments, possibly leading to a build up of mucus-like fluid in the lungs which resulted in a lower ability oxygen transfer. This would account for the Drell finding it harder to breathe after spending more time in Kahje’s environment.

Drell lungs are incapable of dealing with the moisture found in Kahje’s environment and prolonged exposure to the humidity has an increasingly degrading effect on the lungs, causing a build up of mucus-like fluid and lowering the ability of oxygen transfer, making it increasingly difficult to breathe. The alteration to the physiology of the lungs results in an increased susceptibility to bacterial infection, leading to worsening of symptoms and other complications.

This would account for the humidity and why prolonged exposure leads to faster progression of the disease. It covers the bacterial aspect of the disease and accounts for research into genetic engineering – if Drell lungs were adapted to the humid environment (), the lungs would be healthier and more likely to fight off bacterial infections. Makes sense to me, anyway!

The presence of lesions on the lungs can be caused by bacteria. And although spread of bacteria from the lungs into other organs is quite rare, this could perhaps be accounted for by the increasingly vulnerable state of the lungs and consequently the inability of the immune system to contain the infection. Therefore, the medical report for Thane as detailed in the LotSB dossier fits in with the information given about Kepral’s Syndrome.

As pointed out by Patrick Weekes on BSN, Kepral’s Syndrome sounds very similar to Cystic Fibrosis. CF is a genetic disease caused by a mutation in the CFTR gene which results in abnormal ion transport across the epithelium, causing a build up of viscous mucus layers in the passageways of the lungs (and other organs). Not only does this cause difficulty breathing and hypoxia (difficulty absorbing oxygen), the thickened mucus layer also reduces the ability of the lungs to clear bacteria. Consequently, CF patients are prone to bacterial lung infections, which then further increase the viscosity of the mucus layer and worsen the symptoms. Bacteria are transmissible between CF patients and as a result patients are often segregated from other CF patients to prevent spread. There is currently no cure for CF, but research into gene therapy is progressing. In the meantime, lung transplants (a treatment mentioned in the Codex for Kepral’s Syndrome) are a hope to CF patients, not only to prolong life, but to provide a better quality of life. I agree with Patrick, the diseases do seem comparable and, having worked in a CF research lab, this greatly helped my understanding of Kepral’s Syndrome.

Having pieced together what I thought was a logical account of Kepral’s Syndrome at the end of ME2, I started playing ME3 and, of course, rushed to see Thane as soon as I could, who gives us an update on his condition. This is when it gets really confusing.

- Firstly, he says “I've been to several doctors. My favourite gave me three months to live... nine months ago”. This doesn’t fit in with ME2 (set six months before) where he told us he had eight to twelve months left to live.
- Secondly, he says that “The oxygen transfer proteins don't form correctly. Your human equivalent would be hemoglobin”. This results in the blood being low in oxygen. Suddenly he has a blood disease?

From the information we are given, this sounds very similar to Sickle Cell Anaemia, a genetic disease where a point mutation causes an alteration to the haemoglobin structure, resulting in reduced oxygen carrying capacity. While there are various types and causes of anaemia, this specific type (abnormal structure haemoglobin) is unlikely to be caused by anything other than a genetic mutation, and would therefore present at an early age, rather than prolonged exposure to a humid environment.

I am having trouble seeing how a bacterial lung infection could progress into a blood disease. Bacteria are capable of causing haemolytic anaemia, where toxins produced by bacteria lyse red blood cells, and therefore lower the concentration of haemoglobin in the blood. However, this doesn’t interfere with the ability of haemoglobin to form correctly.

Going back to CF, it has been noted that with high severity of disease in the lung, there can be a slight increase in 2,3-DGP in the blood, a chemical that is important for maintaining the haemoglobin dissociation curve, allowing oxygen uptake and release to remain balanced. This increase of 2,3-DGP can cause a shift in the curve and can reduce haemoglobin affinity for oxygen. However, this still does not alter the structure of haemoglobin.

Alternatively, if it is the environment rather than the bacteria that is responsible for the anaemia, then I am at a further loss as to why humidity would alter the ability of a haemoglobin-like protein to form correctly.

Setting confusion aside, if Thane really did have a lung disease that progressed to something similar to Sickle Cell, if he had difficulty getting oxygen into the lung AND he had difficulty transferring what little oxygen there was to the blood, then I doubt he’d be standing, let alone exercising by the window when we first meet him.

Now, I am assuming that the disease has in some way progressed from a bacterial lung infection to a blood disease (despite my lack of understanding on how that was accomplished), however, there’s also no mention of lung problems in ME3, which is worrying for me as it almost implies that the disease were changed completely… Then not only would his character have been neglected (only one conversation before his death and forgetting he was an LI), then his original story would also have been forgotten, which is very upsetting.

I do realise that Thane is not human and I don’t know much about his physiology or immune system. And I am also aware that the bacterial infection is caused by a space bacterium that none of us will have encountered, but I hope I have explained why I am having trouble understanding the adapted version Kepral’s Syndrome in ME3, even if the answer I am missing is simply ‘space magic’.

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And I would just like to add that although Thane's death may seem 'perfect' to some people (which is fair enough, everyone is entitled to their own opinion), there are still some things that I and others find confusing that we would love to have clarified - the main one for me being that Shepard and squadmates just stand and watch when there is nothing stopping them from helping out. A logical answer to that would be appreciated.

And the other thing is, please try to look at the whole picture, and not just his death. We only got one conversation with him before the Citadel coup and it was a depressing one focusing only on his disease. Having a bit more time with him before his death wouldn't have impacted the main story.

I would love an ME2 LI DLC as I missed having ME2 characters around in ME3 and would appreciate more content with them.

[giftfish]

Joy Sauce wrote...

What we need is a full Squadmate Expansion Pack. Now I know expansion packs are not fashionable right now with EA with the much more compact and profitable DLCs, but hear me out, you would have:

1. A series of missions involving ME2 characters as temporary squadmates (at least one for each, but preferably more). These would expand on both their characters and the existing story of ME3.
2. Loyalty mission equivalents for current ME3 squadmates, something I found quite lacking in this game.
3. Enhanced dialogue aboard the Normandy - full dialogue wheel with selectable responses from Shepard and properly framed animations, with the characters up close and centered on the screen.
4. Option for ME2 romanced characters the potential to join the Normandy permanently and possible alternate story arcs to accommodate this (yes all 4 of them, not just Jack and Miranda).

I would honestly pay $30 for this, which is the standard going rate for an expansion pack. Who's with me?

Love this idea!

[giftfish]

CHALET wrote...

A full romance DLC for expanded content on every LI? That's more reasonable than a single character and fairer.

While the OP eluded to a "Thane DLC", I believe all of the Thane-supporters speaking in this thread are in support of a full romance DLC, like you speak of.

Modifié par giftfish, 29 juin 2012 - 02:30 .

[Rft552]

Thane's dead. The end. I personally thought they did the death very well (man tears were nearly envolved). I do think, however it could of been done better for people who romanced him, but I still think he should die in the long run (as it is said throughout ME2 and 3 that there is no way to save him). But does this deserve DLC? No.

[Moira-chan]

did you really listen? we just want an option, no erase. it's a dlc, not a patch. you just dont have to download it. it's not jsut thane, it's the whole me2 LI who deserve a dlc...it would not touch your game anymway.
we just got 3 questions with thane and then he died? since when is this a romance? would you call it like this, when it had been liara, tali, ash or garrus? when they died in a reaper attack or something after you just ask the "how are you" "how many times left" and "does it hurt?"
yep. that is a wonderfull romance that treat thanes full character.
NOT!!!
he would fight, and please, read my post on the last page he was so easy to save, so damn easy. bioware also offered an option with the doctors speak, but deny it immediatly

[giftfish]

Baldrick67 wrote...

Thane had a fairly good ending.

He died saving a life from a cerberus assassin. Was at peace with himself and had reconcilled with his son. He died knowling all he wanted had come to pass. He had redeemed himself by helping Shepard.

He lived longer than most with his illness too.

We're glad that you think so.  From your statement it is obvious that you haven't romanced him, which changes Thane's attitude and storyline dramatically.  There are several posts that cite this in the thread, along with what we are asking for.

[Hackulator]

Thane's Death scene is amazing and removing it from the game would unquestionably lessen the impact of the game as a whole.

HOWEVER, there could certainly be some sort of Than DLC that takes place in a time frame before his death, where you have to complete the DLC before the Cerberus attack on the Citadel. If BW actually considered DLC where you play as people other than Shepard, an amazing bit of DLC could be made for Thane where you play Thane fighting his way through Cerberus on the Citadel to get to the Salarian Councilor. It could be interspersed with flashbacks to assassinations in Thane's past to give his character more depth.

Edit: I just want to stress how awesome Thane's death truly was. Thane was not even my favorite character, although I did really like him, and yet the end of his story inspired more emotion in me than anything else in a video game, ever. When he was fighting Kai Leng and I was unable to help, I was literally up out of my chair yelling at my computer screen "DO SOMETHING".  When he died, I fricking cried. For those of you who romanced Thane, you got a BETTER story, it was just a shorter one. You know they say only the good die young.

Modifié par Hackulator, 29 juin 2012 - 02:29 .

[giftfish]

Rft552 wrote...

Thane's dead. The end. I personally thought they did the death very well (man tears were nearly envolved). I do think, however it could of been done better for people who romanced him, but I still think he should die in the long run (as it is said throughout ME2 and 3 that there is no way to save him). But does this deserve DLC? No.

Again, to clarify, most os us are in support of a Romance DLC pack improving on all the ME3 romances.  Thane's would just be one of them.

Also, a cure/having him live would be an option.  We are 100% in favor of keeping the current storyline in place, which makes more sense if he is not romanced in ME2.

[BeanieBat]

Ok, to all of those who think that Thane should die - do you not think that it might have been nice (especially for those who romanced him) to have more than one conversation with him before the fight and the death scene?  All we got was one conversation about his disease.  What about a 'date' like the one with Garrus on the Citadel?  It would not alter the main story in any way. While I realise that this would not constitute getting DLC itself (and I think that really it should have been in the game already anyway), I think that some more Thane content could tie in with a ME2 LI DLC...

I would love to have Thane live myself.  But failing that, I would love to have at least a bit more content with him, as unlikely as I think that is.

[CHALET]

Moira-chan wrote...
tash, i feel like a parrot the last three months <.< they just don't listen and are resistent against any arguments.
that's not a discussion anymore

Err, hypocrite much?

[giftfish]

Hackulator wrote...
Edit: I just want to stress how awesome Thane's death truly was. Thane was not even my favorite character, although I did really like him, and yet the end of his story inspired more emotion in me than anything else in a video game, ever. When he was fighting Kai Leng and I was unable to help, I was literally up out of my chair yelling at my computer screen "DO SOMETHING".  When he died, I fricking cried. For those of you who romanced Thane, you got a BETTER story, it was just a shorter one. You know they say only the good die young.

This is awesome.  Just so you know, most Thane-supporters still want you to be able to have this ending.  We love that you had such an enjoyable experience with his character.

What we do want and why, I have briefly explained here, earlier in this thread.

Modifié par giftfish, 29 juin 2012 - 02:53 .

[BeanieBat]

Hackulator wrote...
Edit: I just want to stress how awesome Thane's death truly was. Thane was not even my favorite character, although I did really like him, and yet the end of his story inspired more emotion in me than anything else in a video game, ever. When he was fighting Kai Leng and I was unable to help, I was literally up out of my chair yelling at my computer screen "DO SOMETHING".  When he died, I fricking cried. For those of you who romanced Thane, you got a BETTER story, it was just a shorter one. You know they say only the good die young.

Just one question - did you not find it odd that we couldn't 'do something'? That is what really confused me.  The rest or Cerberus had been taken care of, only KL left, Councillor in no imminent danger... surely at least one of the squadmates or even just Shepard could have helped out?  If I missed the reason they couldn't help out then please, do tell, would help ease my mind! 

(Hard to get tone across with text sometimes so would just like to stress that I'm just curious as to your opinion of that, not looking for an argument or anything )

[inusannonn]

I would not romance Thane, however I would certainly pay $$$ for a DLC for an additional side quest to cure Thane so that he does not have to die in ME3.

Would be awesome for another cut scene where Thane has a second opportunity against Kai Leng.

Shep & Kai Leng battle on illusive mans base is great but im sure you can find a way to write in additional content where Thane settles the score in the end.

Also I would pay $$$ for DLC with an additional side quest where Kal Reegar can live. Reegar should have been on crew Normandy for the priority earth mission. He should be there.

I would also pay $$$ as suggested above in this thread for the romance DLC ~ Miranda.

Miranda did ask Shep to find her after the war and Shepard replied ~ I will...I promise.

[Moira-chan]

inusannonn wrote...

I would not romance Thane, however I would certainly pay $$$ for a DLC for an additional side quest to cure Thane so that he does not have to die in ME3.

Would be awesome for another cut scene where Thane has a second opportunity against Kai Leng.

Shep & Kai Leng battle on illusive mans base is great but im sure you can find a way to write in additional content where Thane settles the score in the end.

Also I would pay $$$ for DLC with an additional side quest where Kal Reegar can live. Reegar should have been on crew Normandy for the priority earth mission. He should be there.

I would also pay $$$ as suggested above in this thread for the romance DLC ~ Miranda.

Miranda did ask Shep to find her after the war and Shepard replied ~ I will...I promise.

thank you, i really appreciate it

[giftfish]

inusannonn wrote...

Also I would pay $$$ for DLC with an additional side quest where Kal Reegar can live. Reegar should have been on crew Normandy for the priority earth mission. He should be there.
.

If I had to pick one ME non-squaddie to be a squaddie, it would be Reegar.  I freaking LOVED his character in ME2, which is saying something, considering how little screen time he had 

[Steel Dancer]

blacqout wrote...

Uhm, so? I'm sure that a huge portion of the people that have died in real life from terminal illness probably didn't want to either. 

The will to live can be a powerful thing, but it's not that powerful. Thane wanting to live so he can continue to be with Shepard just adds a little drama and tragedy. 

But hey, BioWare will hopefully just make the next game sunshine and lollipops. Don't worry about drama, just give everyone a sugar coated happy ending.

I've got a novel idea for you: grow up. If you want more juvinile adventures, buy a children's book. Leave the more mature themes and tragic content for those of us that can appreciate it, without having our lives shattered.

I mislike the fact that I'm having to quote myself to help get a fairly easy and straighforward point across.

Steel Dancer wrote...

Reading through this thread is downright painful.

Thane was mis-characterised for an LI in ME3.

He ends ME2 - as a romanced character - wanting to live, and that just gets thrown away in 3. He wants to live, to be by his Sihas' side, to help as much as he can, and it just goes to "nope, all done, finished, no worries".

Now they could have made it quite hard to keep him alive during the course of the game, and that would have been fine (Headcanon can be a wonderful thing).

It could have required, say, Kirrahe to have lived as well, helping in the fight (where was he, btw, shouldn't he have been assigned to cover the Councillor regardless or are the salarians in the habit of assuming terminally ill drell will drop by to provide protection?).

Thanes death is the only forced LI death in the entire game, and that's the bit that rubs people raw. Have a little empathy people!

Oh, for the record, I don't have any Sheps romancing Thane.

In addition, teasers were placed through ME2 and later DLC that Thane could be cured.

This was then promptly forgotten about for no good reason - that I can see - so he could have 'teh awsum ninjor fite' where he doesn't simply shoot Kai Leng ninjatroll in the back of the head after successfully sneaking up on him. Hmm.

[Moira-chan]

Steel Dancer wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Uhm, so? I'm sure that a huge portion of the people that have died in real life from terminal illness probably didn't want to either. 

The will to live can be a powerful thing, but it's not that powerful. Thane wanting to live so he can continue to be with Shepard just adds a little drama and tragedy. 

But hey, BioWare will hopefully just make the next game sunshine and lollipops. Don't worry about drama, just give everyone a sugar coated happy ending.

I've got a novel idea for you: grow up. If you want more juvinile adventures, buy a children's book. Leave the more mature themes and tragic content for those of us that can appreciate it, without having our lives shattered.

I mislike the fact that I'm having to quote myself to help get a fairly easy and straighforward point across.

Steel Dancer wrote...

Reading through this thread is downright painful.

Thane was mis-characterised for an LI in ME3.

He ends ME2 - as a romanced character - wanting to live, and that just gets thrown away in 3. He wants to live, to be by his Sihas' side, to help as much as he can, and it just goes to "nope, all done, finished, no worries".

Now they could have made it quite hard to keep him alive during the course of the game, and that would have been fine (Headcanon can be a wonderful thing).

It could have required, say, Kirrahe to have lived as well, helping in the fight (where was he, btw, shouldn't he have been assigned to cover the Councillor regardless or are the salarians in the habit of assuming terminally ill drell will drop by to provide protection?).

Thanes death is the only forced LI death in the entire game, and that's the bit that rubs people raw. Have a little empathy people!

Oh, for the record, I don't have any Sheps romancing Thane.

In addition, teasers were placed through ME2 and later DLC that Thane could be cured.

This was then promptly forgotten about for no good reason - that I can see - so he could have 'teh awsum ninjor fite' where he doesn't simply shoot Kai Leng ninjatroll in the back of the head after successfully sneaking up on him. Hmm.

that would be so awesome *_* <3

[wildannie]

Joy Sauce wrote...

What we need is a full Squadmate Expansion Pack. Now I know expansion packs are not fashionable right now with EA with the much more compact and profitable DLCs, but hear me out, you would have:

1. A series of missions involving ME2 characters as temporary squadmates (at least one for each, but preferably more). These would expand on both their characters and the existing story of ME3.
2. Loyalty mission equivalents for current ME3 squadmates, something I found quite lacking in this game.
3. Enhanced dialogue aboard the Normandy - full dialogue wheel with selectable responses from Shepard and properly framed animations, with the characters up close and centered on the screen.
4. Option for ME2 romanced characters the potential to join the Normandy permanently and possible alternate story arcs to accommodate this (yes all 4 of them, not just Jack and Miranda).

I would honestly pay $30 for this, which is the standard going rate for an expansion pack. Who's with me?

I would pay more than that for this (so long as the Thane Romance was satisfactorily fixed).

[blacqout]

Vlk3 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

The will to live can be a powerful thing, but it's not that powerful. Thane wanting to live so he can continue to be with Shepard just adds a little drama and tragedy. 

But hey, BioWare will hopefully just make the next game sunshine and lollipops. Don't worry about drama, just give everyone a sugar coated happy ending.

I've got a novel idea for you: grow up. If you want more juvinile adventures, buy a children's book. Leave the more mature themes and tragic content for those of us that can appreciate it, without having our lives shattered.

Maybe you should grow up, because you just insulted people, who are  far more mature than you. We wanted an option for our game, we don't want to change yours. Yet, you attack us. And we are just fans of ME series like you.

Sunshine and lollipops? Everyone else got it, but clearly you think Thanemancers didn't deserve equal treatment. Once again: Thane is a LI, not a character for creating drama. You want that in your game ? Fine. Now let us have some fun  too. By opposing our efforts, you oppose any other choices, that should be available in RPG.

I'm not sure that wanting a game changed to suit your tastes really constitutes "mature". Thane's death served a purpose within the narrative. By wanting to remove that, you do want to change my game. 

And no - not everyone else "got it". Those that romanced Jacob probably were far more unhappy with how things turned out. Not everything has to turn out well, in fact Mass Effect 3 did a great job of having the tragic moments shine a light on the more triumphant and happy ones. 

Like i said, maybe you should stick to kids stories.

[blacqout]

Moira-chan wrote...

@bacquot: just that you know it, i insult you on the moderator, because you just attack us and are childish...i won't you let go throught with it. we are not stupid and know how to defence ourselve and i don't allow to attack us, while we're fghting for something we believe in.

I don't believe i called any of you stupid. Just childish, and a detriment to the Mass Effect series. 

[RShara]

If Thane's death had been well handled, we wouldn't be objecting so much. Because it was handled badly, and with the deathly silence about the subject, we're getting to the point where life extension is about the only thing that'll make us happy.
Is it too much to ask? Maybe. Do we have points in our objections? I sure think so.

Kasumi reuniting with Keiji is fine, but extending Thane's life is childish.

Okay.

Modifié par RShara, 29 juin 2012 - 05:45 .

[RGC_Ines]

Maybe for a lot of players Thane return in ME3 was OK, but for players who had romance with him, so called " return" was  a piece of crap.
First  we got message from him, that he is in hospital. We went to hospital, and what we got? No Thane Im not here for You only for Kaidan..Kaidan, Kaidan, Kaidan, blah, blah, blah...And silly excuse from BioWare that they forgot that Thane was LI? Really? So why there is a cheating issue and so called intimate scene?
Next, If Shepard cheated , in dialogue with Kaidan, she never had a chance to say Kaidan that it was something important, instead she was acting like she is not worthy to kiss Kaidan's feet becouse she had  someone in her bed...
Also, so called " intimate" scene with Thane was simple like a snap in the face...sorry this crap in a front of  others ppl in a hospital was...well for sure it wasn't intimate scene.
Death scene? Really? Shepard just standing like stupid cow with her gun and two others armed frinds and do nothing to help her boyfriend? She don't care that  he is deadly ( probably) wounded? Of course even if I don't care about VS I have to scream and crying becouse he/she is hurt but can't  to show any emotions if my lover is dying?
We even couldn't see Thane in  ending backslashes ( it changes in EC)
I have feelings that for BioWare VS are cannon LIs, plus of course Liara and Team Dextro..But  those who had ME2 romances are screwed, and the most  female players, while Jacob cheated them and Thane is dead.,
So maybe not only Thane DLC, but I think it could be nice to have FIxed ME2 LIs DLC.
With Thane it don't have to be "magical cure". I could be OK with Thane's dead. I just want to have a chance to say him that my Shepard loves him, to show that she care about him, and have time to say " good bye" to my drell.

[blacqout]

RShara wrote...

If Thane's death had been well handled, we wouldn't be objecting so much. Because it was handled badly, and with the deathly silence about the subject, we're getting to the point where life extension is about the only thing that'll make us happy.
Is it too much to ask? Maybe. Do we have points in our objections? I sure think so.

Kasumi reuniting with Keiji is fine, but extending Thane's life is childish.

Okay.

This is what we in the biz refer to as a strawman.  No one has said that Keiji's resurrection is fine.

None of the ME2 love interests were handled especially well, as love interests, but each had a pretty cool part to play in the main story and were handled really well in that respect. You Thane-atics were not hard done by.

[RShara]

blacqout wrote...

RShara wrote...

If Thane's death had been well handled, we wouldn't be objecting so much. Because it was handled badly, and with the deathly silence about the subject, we're getting to the point where life extension is about the only thing that'll make us happy.
Is it too much to ask? Maybe. Do we have points in our objections? I sure think so.

Kasumi reuniting with Keiji is fine, but extending Thane's life is childish.

Okay.

This is what we in the biz refer to as a strawman.  No one has said that Keiji's resurrection is fine.

None of the ME2 love interests were handled especially well, as love interests, but each had a pretty cool part to play in the main story and were handled really well in that respect. You Thane-atics were not hard done by.

To clarify:  Okay with Bioware.

Also:

A romanced Thane has the exact same conversations as a friended Thane, with the exception of a questionable make-out scene. Even when Thane asks romanceShep why she's at the hospital, she says it's to see the VS.
There is no option to say that she's there to see the drell she loves.  There is no option talk to him about their relationship, about Kolyat, about transplants or life extensions, or about what he's been doing
while Shepard was under house arrest. All a romanceShep can ask is about Thane's illness, and the VS.
If you romanced Kaidan in 1, and Thane in 2, Kaidan accuses Shepard of cheating on him, and Shepard gets
NO CHANCE to tell him what you think of that little statement. Shepard just stands there looking guilty.

How is this not-hard-done-by ?

Modifié par RShara, 29 juin 2012 - 05:52 .

[blacqout]

RShara wrote...

blacqout wrote...

RShara wrote...

If Thane's death had been well handled, we wouldn't be objecting so much. Because it was handled badly, and with the deathly silence about the subject, we're getting to the point where life extension is about the only thing that'll make us happy.
Is it too much to ask? Maybe. Do we have points in our objections? I sure think so.

Kasumi reuniting with Keiji is fine, but extending Thane's life is childish.

Okay.

This is what we in the biz refer to as a strawman.  No one has said that Keiji's resurrection is fine.

None of the ME2 love interests were handled especially well, as love interests, but each had a pretty cool part to play in the main story and were handled really well in that respect. You Thane-atics were not hard done by.

To clarify:  Okay with Bioware.

Also:

A romanced Thane has the exact same conversations as a friended Thane, with the exception of a questionable make-out scene. Even when Thane asks romanceShep why she's at the hospital, she says it's to see the VS.
There is no option to say that she's there to see the drell she loves.  There is no option talk to him about their relationship, about Kolyat, about transplants or life extensions, or about what he's been doing
while Shepard was under house arrest. All a romanceShep can ask is about Thane's illness, and the VS.
If you romanced Kaidan in 1, and Thane in 2, Kaidan accuses Shepard of cheating on him, and Shepard gets
NO CHANCE to tell him what you think of that little statement. Shepard just stands there looking guilty.

How is this not-hard-done-by ?

BioWare haven't called any of you childish. Keep propping up that straw.