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[wildannie]

mnomaha wrote...

*dribbles coffee*

@Renmiri...I love you...I just FLU.

*comes in from a night on the sauce*

I FLU too Renmiri...

... and you mnomaha

Modifié par wildannie, 30 juin 2012 - 02:49 .

[mnomaha]

wildannie wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

*dribbles coffee*

@Renmiri...I love you...I just FLU.

*comes in from a night on the sauce*

I FLU too Renmiri...

... and you mnomaha

And I FLU you too annie!!!

And I think we should love Karimloo as well, cuz she (?) just laid down some awesome snark! Actually I just gonna love everybody who isn't a ****ing troll. <3

[Renmiri1]

I FLU you girls ^^

[blacqout]

RShara wrote...

Pot, meet kettle.

I never said Bioware called any of us childish. And I never said anyone here was defending the Keiji epilogue slide.

What I DID say was that Bioware thought bringing Keiji back was fine, but bringing Thane back would trivialize his character.

And you're still ignoring the second part of my post.

No, what you said was "Kasumi reuniting with Keiji is fine, but extending Thane's life is childish."

[blacqout]

Renmiri1 wrote...

SwitchN7 wrote...

Thane needs to die so i can joyfully stab Kai Leng in his filthy ribs.

Yup.

That is what all the self absorbed people who never pause to read past the title think and feel. IFor them Thane i not a humanoid being with a son to raise alone, he is just some excuse to shed manly tears and go get revenge on the ninja wannabe. Thane, red shirted guys on startrek, adorable children on "lone hero bent on revenge" movies.. They are all there just to be mowed down in the most horrible way to make that lone hero angst possible.

Is very one-dimension and childish. I'd recomend Marvel Comics for those who like this kind of cheap thrills. (PS: I know you said it tongue-in-cheek, so this is not aimed at you SwitchN7.. is more aimed at the self elected "owner of Mass Effect Trilogy" below)

blacqout wrote...

It's clear to me that the more creative a person, the more likely they are to enjoy and appreciate the ending. 

I can't believe how many people are struggling to wrap their little minds around the fact that the series features many shifts in tone and theme. There is no law stating that a story has to focus on one core theme, leaving smaller ones on the periphary. 

Perhaps you guys should stick to more traditional tales.

 

Why looky here... So if people don't like the ending they have "little brains", if they want an  option to cure a character - after an entire species has ben cured by space magic - they are a detriment to the game.

When did you buy BioWare from EA ? I didn't see the news on the stockholder's meeting. I assume you now own the entire intellectual property of Mass Effect since you seem to have assumed the role of judging who can and can not play it. Was it expensive ?  Did you pay it with BS such as "only creatives can appreciate the non-linear story" ?

False equivalence. Not even the actual owners of the Mass Effect IP have any direct control over who can or cannot play.

Anyone can play it. If you're not of sound enough mind to appreciate the story though, it stands to reason that you should look elsewhere.

The writers have complete control of the story, and they have written it in a certain way. You telling those that appreciated the way Thane's death played out to go read Marvel comics instead is silly; if you don't like the story, you should go elsewhere. I suggest the children's section of your local library.

If you want to try making the point again, with a little less fallacy, i'll be all ears. 

Modifié par blacqout, 30 juin 2012 - 04:56 .

[SMichelle]

blacqout wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

SwitchN7 wrote...

Thane needs to die so i can joyfully stab Kai Leng in his filthy ribs.

Yup.

That is what all the self absorbed people who never pause to read past the title think and feel. IFor them Thane i not a humanoid being with a son to raise alone, he is just some excuse to shed manly tears and go get revenge on the ninja wannabe. Thane, red shirted guys on startrek, adorable children on "lone hero bent on revenge" movies.. They are all there just to be mowed down in the most horrible way to make that lone hero angst possible.

Is very one-dimension and childish. I'd recomend Marvel Comics for those who like this kind of cheap thrills. (PS: I know you said it tongue-in-cheek, so this is not aimed at you SwitchN7.. is more aimed at the self elected "owner of Mass Effect Trilogy" below)

blacqout wrote...

It's clear to me that the more creative a person, the more likely they are to enjoy and appreciate the ending. 

I can't believe how many people are struggling to wrap their little minds around the fact that the series features many shifts in tone and theme. There is no law stating that a story has to focus on one core theme, leaving smaller ones on the periphary. 

Perhaps you guys should stick to more traditional tales.

 

Why looky here... So if people don't like the ending they have "little brains", if they want an  option to cure a character - after an entire species has ben cured by space magic - they are a detriment to the game.

When did you buy BioWare from EA ? I didn't see the news on the stockholder's meeting. I assume you now own the entire intellectual property of Mass Effect since you seem to have assumed the role of judging who can and can not play it. Was it expensive ?  Did you pay it with BS such as "only creatives can appreciate the non-linear story" ?

False equivalence. Not even the actual owners of the Mass Effect IP have any direct control over who can or cannot play.

Anyone can play it. If you're not of sound enough mind to appreciate the story though, it stands to reason that you should look elsewhere.

The writers have complete control of the story, and they have written it in a certain way. You telling those that appreciated the way Thane's death played out to go read Marvel comics instead is silly; if you don't like the story, you should go elsewhere. I suggest the children's section of your local library.

I'm sorry.  Did you really just say that the people that don't like the endings lack creativity and are unable to wrap their little minds around the awesomeness that is ME3's ending?







Seriously?  Dude, I can't believe you just said that!





You crack me up.  Now all you need to do is mention "artistic integrity"

[blacqout]

SMichelle wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

SwitchN7 wrote...

Thane needs to die so i can joyfully stab Kai Leng in his filthy ribs.

Yup.

That is what all the self absorbed people who never pause to read past the title think and feel. IFor them Thane i not a humanoid being with a son to raise alone, he is just some excuse to shed manly tears and go get revenge on the ninja wannabe. Thane, red shirted guys on startrek, adorable children on "lone hero bent on revenge" movies.. They are all there just to be mowed down in the most horrible way to make that lone hero angst possible.

Is very one-dimension and childish. I'd recomend Marvel Comics for those who like this kind of cheap thrills. (PS: I know you said it tongue-in-cheek, so this is not aimed at you SwitchN7.. is more aimed at the self elected "owner of Mass Effect Trilogy" below)

blacqout wrote...

It's clear to me that the more creative a person, the more likely they are to enjoy and appreciate the ending. 

I can't believe how many people are struggling to wrap their little minds around the fact that the series features many shifts in tone and theme. There is no law stating that a story has to focus on one core theme, leaving smaller ones on the periphary. 

Perhaps you guys should stick to more traditional tales.

 

Why looky here... So if people don't like the ending they have "little brains", if they want an  option to cure a character - after an entire species has ben cured by space magic - they are a detriment to the game.

When did you buy BioWare from EA ? I didn't see the news on the stockholder's meeting. I assume you now own the entire intellectual property of Mass Effect since you seem to have assumed the role of judging who can and can not play it. Was it expensive ?  Did you pay it with BS such as "only creatives can appreciate the non-linear story" ?

False equivalence. Not even the actual owners of the Mass Effect IP have any direct control over who can or cannot play.

Anyone can play it. If you're not of sound enough mind to appreciate the story though, it stands to reason that you should look elsewhere.

The writers have complete control of the story, and they have written it in a certain way. You telling those that appreciated the way Thane's death played out to go read Marvel comics instead is silly; if you don't like the story, you should go elsewhere. I suggest the children's section of your local library.

I'm sorry.  Did you really just say that the people that don't like the endings lack creativity and are unable to wrap their little minds around the awesomeness that is ME3's ending?







Seriously?  Dude, I can't believe you just said that!





You crack me up.  Now all you need to do is mention "artistic integrity"

I did say that (in an entirely different thread). It was posted here without context. 

It's absolutely fine to not like the ending, but a popularly cited criticism is that the end brings up themes that haven't always been central to the Mass Effect trilogy. That it lacks a certain element of "narrative coherence" and doesn't strictly conform to orthodox storytelling techniques. 

It is very possible to write a story using less orthodox structures, and generally, the more creative a mind, the more likely they are to appreciate it. Some people just need that rigidity to follow a story. Some people don't.

Again, it's fine to dislike the story for any reason, but i feel those that dislike it for the one i explained, are most likely not very creative people.

Modifié par blacqout, 30 juin 2012 - 05:06 .

[SMichelle]

blacqout wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

SwitchN7 wrote...

Thane needs to die so i can joyfully stab Kai Leng in his filthy ribs.

Yup.

That is what all the self absorbed people who never pause to read past the title think and feel. IFor them Thane i not a humanoid being with a son to raise alone, he is just some excuse to shed manly tears and go get revenge on the ninja wannabe. Thane, red shirted guys on startrek, adorable children on "lone hero bent on revenge" movies.. They are all there just to be mowed down in the most horrible way to make that lone hero angst possible.

Is very one-dimension and childish. I'd recomend Marvel Comics for those who like this kind of cheap thrills. (PS: I know you said it tongue-in-cheek, so this is not aimed at you SwitchN7.. is more aimed at the self elected "owner of Mass Effect Trilogy" below)

blacqout wrote...

It's clear to me that the more creative a person, the more likely they are to enjoy and appreciate the ending. 

I can't believe how many people are struggling to wrap their little minds around the fact that the series features many shifts in tone and theme. There is no law stating that a story has to focus on one core theme, leaving smaller ones on the periphary. 

Perhaps you guys should stick to more traditional tales.

 

Why looky here... So if people don't like the ending they have "little brains", if they want an  option to cure a character - after an entire species has ben cured by space magic - they are a detriment to the game.

When did you buy BioWare from EA ? I didn't see the news on the stockholder's meeting. I assume you now own the entire intellectual property of Mass Effect since you seem to have assumed the role of judging who can and can not play it. Was it expensive ?  Did you pay it with BS such as "only creatives can appreciate the non-linear story" ?

False equivalence. Not even the actual owners of the Mass Effect IP have any direct control over who can or cannot play.

Anyone can play it. If you're not of sound enough mind to appreciate the story though, it stands to reason that you should look elsewhere.

The writers have complete control of the story, and they have written it in a certain way. You telling those that appreciated the way Thane's death played out to go read Marvel comics instead is silly; if you don't like the story, you should go elsewhere. I suggest the children's section of your local library.

I'm sorry.  Did you really just say that the people that don't like the endings lack creativity and are unable to wrap their little minds around the awesomeness that is ME3's ending?







Seriously?  Dude, I can't believe you just said that!





You crack me up.  Now all you need to do is mention "artistic integrity"

I did say that (in an entirely different thread). It was posted here without context. 

It's absolutely fine to not like the ending, but a popularly cited criticism is that the end brings up themes that haven't always been central to the Mass Effect trilogy. That it lacks a certain element of "narrative coherence" and doesn't strictly conform to orthodox storytelling techniques. 

It is very possible to write a story using less orthodox structures, and generally, the more creative a mind, the more likely they are to appreciate it. Some people just need that rigidity to follow a story. Some people don't.

Again, it's fine to dislike the story for any reason, but i feel those that dislike it for the one i explained, are most likely not very creative people.

Ahh...but you do it in such a condescending manner.

This thread...unless I misread the title, is about Thane.  Why do you care if others want Thane's role to be expanded?

Honestly, if BioWare can make space magic combine DNA, why in the world would they not be able to give Thane a lung transplant?  I find much of ME3 nonsensical.  However, I'm willing to go with it because it's a video game.

Regardless of what BioWare likes to claim, ME3 is not exactly high art.  It is entertainment.  If certain people aren't entertained, who exactly are you to judge them?

[blacqout]

SMichelle wrote...

Ahh...but you do it in such a condescending manner.

This thread...unless I misread the title, is about Thane.  Why do you care if others want Thane's role to be expanded?

Honestly, if BioWare can make space magic combine DNA, why in the world would they not be able to give Thane a lung transplant?  I find much of ME3 nonsensical.  However, I'm willing to go with it because it's a video game.

Regardless of what BioWare likes to claim, ME3 is not exactly high art.  It is entertainment.  If certain people aren't entertained, who exactly are you to judge them?

BioWare have already changed their post-release DLC plans once. The decision to create the extended cut put other plans on hold for a while, and i really would prefer that not happen again just to accommodate Thane fans. We might have already had something substantial and playable if it wasn't for all the 'campaigning'.

BioWare could do whatever they want. It would be quite easy for them to cure Thane, but in doing so they'd be removing a part of the game that i actually kind of liked. Like you say, Mass Effect isn't high art, it's a video game. Thane was sacrificed to build up another character, and that's enough.

I think that if you didn't romance him, the interaction with Thane at Heurta Memorial is some of the best between Shepard and ME2 crew members. If you did romance him, i can see why it might be a little lacking... but those that romanced any ME2 character will feel the same way.

Basically, i don't want BioWare to waste any more time making parts of the game a little bit better. I'd rather they focus on new content.

[Julia_xo]

blacqout wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Ahh...but you do it in such a condescending manner.

This thread...unless I misread the title, is about Thane.  Why do you care if others want Thane's role to be expanded?

Honestly, if BioWare can make space magic combine DNA, why in the world would they not be able to give Thane a lung transplant?  I find much of ME3 nonsensical.  However, I'm willing to go with it because it's a video game.

Regardless of what BioWare likes to claim, ME3 is not exactly high art.  It is entertainment.  If certain people aren't entertained, who exactly are you to judge them?

I think that if you didn't romance him, the interaction with Thane at Heurta Memorial is some of the best between Shepard and ME2 crew members. If you did romance him, i can see why it might be a little lacking... but those that romanced any ME2 character will feel the same way.

Really? The interaction whether you romanced him or not amounted to:

Shepard: Oh hey, Thane! So you're still dying?
Thane: Yes.
Shepard: You should come back to the Normandy.
Thane: Can't.  I'm dying, remember?
Shepard: Oh well. Goodbye then.



And anyway, DLC involving Thane would involve new content. Maybe a mission to Kahje or somewhere else. We're not asking for "cuddle-time DLC" but something that could appeal to lots of people and add to the story in a broader sense. 

I'm still holding out hope that the sidelined ME2 characters (including Miranda, Jack, Jacob) will get some love in upcoming DLC.

[blacqout]

Julia_xo wrote...

blacqout wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Ahh...but you do it in such a condescending manner.

This thread...unless I misread the title, is about Thane.  Why do you care if others want Thane's role to be expanded?

Honestly, if BioWare can make space magic combine DNA, why in the world would they not be able to give Thane a lung transplant?  I find much of ME3 nonsensical.  However, I'm willing to go with it because it's a video game.

Regardless of what BioWare likes to claim, ME3 is not exactly high art.  It is entertainment.  If certain people aren't entertained, who exactly are you to judge them?

I think that if you didn't romance him, the interaction with Thane at Heurta Memorial is some of the best between Shepard and ME2 crew members. If you did romance him, i can see why it might be a little lacking... but those that romanced any ME2 character will feel the same way.

Really? The interaction whether you romanced him or not amounted to:

Shepard: Oh hey, Thane! So you're still dying?
Thane: Yes.
Shepard: You should come back to the Normandy.
Thane: Can't.  I'm dying, remember?
Shepard: Oh well. Goodbye then.



And anyway, DLC involving Thane would involve new content. Maybe a mission to Kahje or somewhere else. We're not asking for "cuddle-time DLC" but something that could appeal to lots of people and add to the story in a broader sense. 

I'm still holding out hope that the sidelined ME2 characters (including Miranda, Jack, Jacob) will get some love in upcoming DLC.

His final scene was also at the hopsital. I assume you neglected that one because it strengthened your own point, but it is a little intellectually dishonest. 

The first conversation with him was adequate if you hadn't romanced him, and was certainly no worse than the conversation with Miranda or Jacob. His goodbye scene was far better, and one of my favourite moments in the game.

Thane mentions that he can't go gallavanting around the galaxy any more. He's sick, remember? The game already gave us a reason for him not coming with us to Khaje. BioWare should focus on doing something more interesting. 

I'll buy any DLC that comes out, and i wouldn't totally hate an ME2 squad pack that gives the likes of Zaeed (who was by far the worst handled ME2 cameo) something interesting to do, but i think BW could come up with better ideas.

[Moira-chan]

why do you really spent the time, we're at a nowhere anyway. we don't get away from our point neither you, so why we leave it as a draw.
i just don't know why you came into this thread

[wildannie]

blacqout wrote...


I did say that (in an entirely different thread). It was posted here without context. 

It's absolutely fine to not like the ending, but a popularly cited criticism is that the end brings up themes that haven't always been central to the Mass Effect trilogy. That it lacks a certain element of "narrative coherence" and doesn't strictly conform to orthodox storytelling techniques. 

It is very possible to write a story using less orthodox structures, and generally, the more creative a mind, the more likely they are to appreciate it. Some people just need that rigidity to follow a story. Some people don't.

Again, it's fine to dislike the story for any reason, but i feel those that dislike it for the one i explained, are most likely not very creative people.

That is one of the most condescending things I've read on BSN.   In my opinon, none of the many  problems with Mass Effect 3 are the product of unorthodox story telling techniques.  They're glaringly the problem of bad writing/sloppy thinking/ineffective communications amongst the writing team.

Corners were being cut to save money/maximize profits and it really shows.  

It seems you're worried that all the complaining is delaying the SP DLC that bioware would have released and I'm sure that was the case with the EC, but as a paying customer is is my right to make it as clear as I can that I am not in the least bit satisfied with the product I was sold and I couldn't really care less about what other plans they may or may not have.

[gmboy902]

Of course. Let's just have that game where absolutely nobody has to die except Mordin or Wrex. Hell, let's just remove that choice as well and convince Wrex that his species has been very bad and I shouldn't have to shoot him.

Thousands of Reapers are invading the Milky Way, a terrorist organization invades the Citadel, and their ninja assassin tries to kill the head of the galactic government, and you think it outrageous that someone is certainly going to die? At least Thane had a meaningful death, unlike Samara.

[Julia_xo]

blacqout wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

blacqout wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Ahh...but you do it in such a condescending manner.

This thread...unless I misread the title, is about Thane.  Why do you care if others want Thane's role to be expanded?

Honestly, if BioWare can make space magic combine DNA, why in the world would they not be able to give Thane a lung transplant?  I find much of ME3 nonsensical.  However, I'm willing to go with it because it's a video game.

Regardless of what BioWare likes to claim, ME3 is not exactly high art.  It is entertainment.  If certain people aren't entertained, who exactly are you to judge them?

I think that if you didn't romance him, the interaction with Thane at Heurta Memorial is some of the best between Shepard and ME2 crew members. If you did romance him, i can see why it might be a little lacking... but those that romanced any ME2 character will feel the same way.

Really? The interaction whether you romanced him or not amounted to:

Shepard: Oh hey, Thane! So you're still dying?
Thane: Yes.
Shepard: You should come back to the Normandy.
Thane: Can't.  I'm dying, remember?
Shepard: Oh well. Goodbye then.



And anyway, DLC involving Thane would involve new content. Maybe a mission to Kahje or somewhere else. We're not asking for "cuddle-time DLC" but something that could appeal to lots of people and add to the story in a broader sense. 

I'm still holding out hope that the sidelined ME2 characters (including Miranda, Jack, Jacob) will get some love in upcoming DLC.

His final scene was also at the hopsital. I assume you neglected that one because it strengthened your own point, but it is a little intellectually dishonest. 

The first conversation with him was adequate if you hadn't romanced him, and was certainly no worse than the conversation with Miranda or Jacob. His goodbye scene was far better, and one of my favourite moments in the game.

Thane mentions that he can't go gallavanting around the galaxy any more. He's sick, remember? The game already gave us a reason for him not coming with us to Khaje. BioWare should focus on doing something more interesting. 

I'll buy any DLC that comes out, and i wouldn't totally hate an ME2 squad pack that gives the likes of Zaeed (who was by far the worst handled ME2 cameo) something interesting to do, but i think BW could come up with better ideas.

The first conversation just serves to make him one-note since the overall focus is on his illness and dying. The next time the player is allowed to interact with him he's on his death bed. During the Kai Leng fight, the player was just a bystander watching events occur. The hamfisted way in which his death was forced and presented really soured the experience. If you like it, that's your opinion. The prayer scene just isn't enough for me to overlook how badly the character was handled. And it isn't nearly adequate if Thane was Shepard's LI.

As for "gallavanting" across the galaxy, Shepard points out he wouldn't need to fight and could do "lighter work". The Normandy also has a fully functional med-bay and also (possibly) Dr. Chakwas who knows Thane's medical history. She's the one who wrote up his medical report. He could've gotten his daily medical treatment on the Normandy. And since Shepard was constantly stopping by the Citadel as it was he would have had ample opportunities to see his son as well.

Instead he gave some lame, character-breaking excuse about being happy with what he's done in his life and wanting rest from conflict. Maybe that's fine for those who didn't romance him but for those who did it doesn't really jive with the guy who told Shepard any time he has left is hers to take and wrote that he wants to stay be her side and protect her with everything that he is.

And maybe it wouldn't interest you, but it might be of interest to others. The DLC needn't even involve Kahje at all it was just an example. The point is the extra content for Thane and other neglected characters could be included as part of a larger story DLC.

Modifié par Julia_xo, 30 juin 2012 - 06:39 .

[LoonySpectre]

@gmboy: Thane is the only squadmate (except Legion, but that's a different case) who's destined to die regardless of any Shepard's choices and actions. And the only squadmate in the entire game who can actually die offscreen. Compare to, say, Jacob, who survives no matter what and even dumps romanced Shepard in the process.

[blacqout]

LoonySpectre wrote...

@gmboy: Thane is the only squadmate (except Legion, but that's a different case) who's destined to die regardless of any Shepard's choices and actions. And the only squadmate in the entire game who can actually die offscreen. Compare to, say, Jacob, who survives no matter what and even dumps romanced Shepard in the process.

What about Morinth?

[SMichelle]

gmboy902 wrote...

Of course. Let's just have that game where absolutely nobody has to die except Mordin or Wrex. Hell, let's just remove that choice as well and convince Wrex that his species has been very bad and I shouldn't have to shoot him.

Thousands of Reapers are invading the Milky Way, a terrorist organization invades the Citadel, and their ninja assassin tries to kill the head of the galactic government, and you think it outrageous that someone is certainly going to die? At least Thane had a meaningful death, unlike Samara.

Samara didn't die in my game...nor did Wrex.

I didn't import a character that romanced Thane, but I believe he got the short end of the stick.  They used Thane in so much of their promo meterial for ME2 it's a shame the totally forgot about him for ME3. 

(although BioWare basically ignored most of the ME2 characters)

I forgot how much I liked Thane until I saw Malukah's Shepard tribute.

[blacqout]

Julia_xo wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

blacqout wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Ahh...but you do it in such a condescending manner.

This thread...unless I misread the title, is about Thane.  Why do you care if others want Thane's role to be expanded?

Honestly, if BioWare can make space magic combine DNA, why in the world would they not be able to give Thane a lung transplant?  I find much of ME3 nonsensical.  However, I'm willing to go with it because it's a video game.

Regardless of what BioWare likes to claim, ME3 is not exactly high art.  It is entertainment.  If certain people aren't entertained, who exactly are you to judge them?

I think that if you didn't romance him, the interaction with Thane at Heurta Memorial is some of the best between Shepard and ME2 crew members. If you did romance him, i can see why it might be a little lacking... but those that romanced any ME2 character will feel the same way.

Really? The interaction whether you romanced him or not amounted to:

Shepard: Oh hey, Thane! So you're still dying?
Thane: Yes.
Shepard: You should come back to the Normandy.
Thane: Can't.  I'm dying, remember?
Shepard: Oh well. Goodbye then.



And anyway, DLC involving Thane would involve new content. Maybe a mission to Kahje or somewhere else. We're not asking for "cuddle-time DLC" but something that could appeal to lots of people and add to the story in a broader sense. 

I'm still holding out hope that the sidelined ME2 characters (including Miranda, Jack, Jacob) will get some love in upcoming DLC.

His final scene was also at the hopsital. I assume you neglected that one because it strengthened your own point, but it is a little intellectually dishonest. 

The first conversation with him was adequate if you hadn't romanced him, and was certainly no worse than the conversation with Miranda or Jacob. His goodbye scene was far better, and one of my favourite moments in the game.

Thane mentions that he can't go gallavanting around the galaxy any more. He's sick, remember? The game already gave us a reason for him not coming with us to Khaje. BioWare should focus on doing something more interesting. 

I'll buy any DLC that comes out, and i wouldn't totally hate an ME2 squad pack that gives the likes of Zaeed (who was by far the worst handled ME2 cameo) something interesting to do, but i think BW could come up with better ideas.

The first conversation just serves to make him one-note since the overall focus is on his illness and dying. The next time the player is allowed to interact with him he's on his death bed. During the Kai Leng fight, the player was just a bystander watching events occur. The hamfisted way in which his death was forced and presented really soured the experience. If you like it, that's your opinion. The prayer scene just isn't enough for me to overlook how badly the character was handled. And it sn't nearly adequate if Thane was Shepard's LI.

As for "gallavanting" across the galaxy, Shepard points out he wouldn't need to fight and could do "lighter work". The Normandy also has a fully functional med-bay and also (possibly) Dr. Chakwas who knows Thane's medical history. She's the one who wrote up his medical report. He could've gotten his daily medical treatment on the Normandy. And since Shepard was constantly stopping by the Citadel as it was he would have had ample opportunities to see his son as well.

Instead he gave some lame, character-breaking excuse about being happy with what he's done in his life and wanting rest from conflict. Maybe that's fine for those who didn't romance him but for those who did it doesn't really jive with the guy who told Shepard any time he has left is hers to take and wrote that he wants to stay be her side and protect her with everything that he is.

And maybe it wouldn't interest you, but it might be of interest to others. The DLC needn't even involve Kahje at all it was just an example. The point is the extra content for Thane and other neglected characters could be included as part of a larger story DLC.

An excuse was made for all ME2 squadmates, aside from Tali and Garrus. Thane wasn't treated any differently in that respect. None of the conversations with him undermined the characterisation of Thane as he appeared in my playhtrough of Mass Effect 2, including his reasons for not wishing to accompany Shepard on the Normandy. 

It wouldn't interest me, and i'm making my voice heard. 

[LoonySpectre]

blacqout wrote...

LoonySpectre wrote...

@gmboy: Thane is the only squadmate (except Legion, but that's a different case) who's destined to die regardless of any Shepard's choices and actions. And the only squadmate in the entire game who can actually die offscreen. Compare to, say, Jacob, who survives no matter what and even dumps romanced Shepard in the process.

What about Morinth?

Well, letting Morinth live at all was a big Shepard's decision in ME2.

[gmboy902]

blacqout wrote...

LoonySpectre wrote...

@gmboy: Thane is the only squadmate (except Legion, but that's a different case) who's destined to die regardless of any Shepard's choices and actions. And the only squadmate in the entire game who can actually die offscreen. Compare to, say, Jacob, who survives no matter what and even dumps romanced Shepard in the process.

What about Morinth?

Pssh. Who cares about Morinth.

Anyways, there's a difference between saying "your choices affect the outcome" and "you can choose whatever happens in the story". There has to be limits. On a broad scale, you can't choose to train mutant butterflies to intercept the Reapers and stop the invasion in its tracks. On a smaller scale, you can't choose whether some characters live or die. While the "keep this, sacrifice this" choices are certainly intriguing, I feel like sometimes it is good for BioWare to smack us in the face and say "no, sorry if you liked Thane, but he's going to die now", because it reminds us that some things just aren't within our control to change. We can't buy our way out of Thane's death like we could buy our way out of EDI's by not picking Destroy. And to be quite honest, his death is quite the same as Legion's. Sure, an onscreen death would be better from a narration perspective, but both of them died doing something entirely meaningful. If anything, Legion's death was just as forced.

I like things like Thane's death, or how Tali somewhat unexpectedly commits suicide if you let her fleet die. It reminds us that, despite the fact that our choices do matter, there are some things entirely beyond our control. And in a war with giant robot death gods, there has to be some things out of your control.

Modifié par gmboy902, 30 juin 2012 - 06:45 .

[blacqout]

LoonySpectre wrote...

blacqout wrote...

LoonySpectre wrote...

@gmboy: Thane is the only squadmate (except Legion, but that's a different case) who's destined to die regardless of any Shepard's choices and actions. And the only squadmate in the entire game who can actually die offscreen. Compare to, say, Jacob, who survives no matter what and even dumps romanced Shepard in the process.

What about Morinth?

Well, letting Morinth live at all was a big Shepard's decision in ME2.

No, the fact that Morinth didn't even make an appearance, kind of undermines the whole "Thane was so hard done by" bit. Zaeed and Morinth were handled far worse.

[Omega Torsk]

The man had a terminal disease. Terminal disease. By all accounts, it should have killed him months ago.

I'm sorry to those that romanced him and I have my fingers crossed that Bioware has a DLC planned to expand upon our LI's, but I don't believe Thane's death should be retconned. It was handled well.

[SMichelle]

A machine can combine everyone's DNA so they live immortal lives in peace and harmony - but a lung transplant is out.




I think a romanced Thane would fight to live - Hell, even a non-romanced Thane would want to live to be with his son.

[Moira-chan]

guys, leave him, it's useless, we can bring up as many arguments as we wanted. it's a draw right here. why are you always coming back blacquot? do you want this thread to be shut down because of trolling?