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[TullyAckland]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Player choice is important, but we also believe those choices are only meaningful when part of a storyline that bears some reality or truth. With Thane, the player faced the experience of developing a bond with a character that had a terminal disease. We felt it would have trivialized Thane’s experience, and the value of that kind of storyline, if the player was able to simply “solve” his problem and let him live happily ever after.


Also, moved this to spoiler forum.

I would put the counter-argument that while that is certainly valid, the reality the Shepard does not ever reflect on Thane again, throughout the entire game (minus the one slide now introduced in the EC) and that the "romance" feels less like an actual romantic moment and more of a quick tumble in the hay is what most Thane fans are upset about. And given how much space was devoted to characters like Liara, I do understand where fans of other characters are coming from. That is my theory on why people want more Thane - because the game content is put together in a way that makes you wonder if it's just there because it "had to be".

Do you not remember what is said during Kai Leng's demise?

[Dragoonlordz]

Jedi31293 wrote...

Why change one of the best deaths in the game? Thane knew he was going to die ever since we met him in ME2. There is no reason to change that.

This. As much as I liked Thane I would not change a thing about his death in the game. One of best moments in it.

[Bushido Effect]

I am a Drell man myself. I love this topic.

Thane was my bro. The EC flashbacks made me miss him more =(

[Vlk3]

Well, I guess Thanemancers didn't deserve anything.

[Thrazesul]

I had Thane as a LI on my main Shepard. As much as his death bothers me, it's not the worst part.

His romance counts for nothing, his death is never mentioned (once by Shepard), his death is horribly acted out with Shepard and CO just staring at the whole fight.

For a game that is supposedly more emotional, it's strange how no other crew member even mentions Thane once as a LI to Shepard.

His death > Fine. But I would love to see it mean more. At the moment it's just a big middle finger to those who romanced him and being punished for romancing the wrong character.

[zherok]

Vlk3 wrote...

Well, I guess Thanemancers didn't deserve anything.

Redoing his death scene (regarding romanticly involved Shepards) maybe, letting him live just because you can't accept that he's dying, no.

He dies. He was dying from the start. There was no cure in sight. It's in the middle of a war, and he's injured on top of that. Pulling a cure out of nowhere is terrible writing.

[MattFini]

I think BioWare did a great job with Thane in ME3, overall.

His final stand was awesome, totally heroic and came at a very important moment in the story.

His death scene was also very moving ... I really enjoyed it.

Only qualm is that the crew doesn't seem to react to his passing at all, and that's a shame.

Other than that, there's nothing else to be done for Thane.

[Vlk3]

Not out of nowhere, don't you see there was a possibility? Don't you know hanar were researching a cure? What about lung transplant mentioned in LoTSB? We always had hope, it was not: "No one is researching a cure and there is no treatment that could help a little" . Start paying attention...

[zherok]

Vlk3 wrote...

Not out of nowhere, don't you see there was a possibility? Don't you know hanar were researching a cure? What about lung transplant mentioned in LoTSB? We always had hope, it was not: "No one is researching a cure and there is no treatment that could help a little" . Start paying attention...

He was in the advanced stages of it, and it kills him just shortly after the Citadel is attacked. To provide a miraculous cure or transplant just after the attack would unequivocably be an ass pull designed just to sate those that can't accept the possibility of Thane dying.

Let's use another word for his disease, as an example. Let's say a character was in the advanced stages of cancer, and went through a similar ordeal just before sucumbing to it. Wouldn't suddenly curing cancer at that stage be pretty convenient just to save that character? Pretty sure there's a lot of work going into curing cancer too. Doesn't mean that cures miraculously occur whenever someone important needs it.

As it's set up now, curing him at the last minute would be bad writing. It's as simple as that. His death is an important plot point. Maybe the romance angle is underwritten, I don't know. But him sucumbing finally to his late stage fatal disease is a hell of a lot better a plot point than a last minute cure invalidating any of the risk involved.

[Ieldra]

TullyAckland wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Well if BW don't want to make steps to provide an option to let Thane live, than both BW and EA can say goodbye to ever getting a cent of my money EVER AGAIN!!

Player choice is important, but we also believe those choices are only meaningful when part of a storyline that bears some reality or truth. With Thane, the player faced the experience of developing a bond with a character that had a terminal disease. We felt it would have trivialized Thane’s experience, and the value of that kind of storyline, if the player was able to simply “solve” his problem and let him live happily ever after.

This will bring the Thane fans down on me like locusts, but I agree. I never expected anything else than Thane's death at the end and still find it strange that other people did. I understand how people would want him to survive, but not how, given the way his story was set up, anyone could ever expect him not to die.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 juin 2012 - 12:30 .

[Applepie_Svk]

I said it third time... Don´t ask for DLC with former squadmates because they could died in ME2 as result of ME2. I love these characters (most of them) but it´s just simple maths that they won´t be wasting resources into such DLCs.

[Vlk3]

Oh, what about Garrus or Tali? They could die in ME2 too.

And why do you want us to stop? Would any ME2 squad member DLC related hurt you?

I can't change your mind on Thane's death. Think what you want, but please don't try so hard to destroy all hope for us.

Anyway, I think I'm done here, Seeing how generous and empathic some of you are...

Still wish you never get same treatment from others as we got. I support better treatment of other romances too. At least someone can end up satisfied.

[vixvicco]

Jedi31293 wrote...

Why change one of the best deaths in the game? Thane knew he was going to die ever since we met him in ME2. There is no reason to change that.

[The Not So Illusive Man]

I was pleased with the way Thane's ultimate fate was handled, I never expected him to be cured (especially when he has accepted his fate and refused transplants) and I liked that he could go out with a bang. Perhaps more effort could have been put in to showing the effects of the disease upon him, rather than it happening behind the scene, but I accept that we can't have everything.
The only thing I didn't like was the lack of recognition relating to his death afterwards, we get a plaque and "That was for Thane, you son of a ****!", nobody else seems to react to him dying but Shepard.

[SolidRevolver]

I want an option to rebuild Jenkins! Shepard was brough back, so why not him?
#JenkinsForLazarus

Yeah, he was marked for death in ME2. Even in ME3, he was told he was long past his life expectancy already.

[WolfyZA]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

I said it third time... Don´t ask for DLC with former squadmates because they could died in ME2 as result of ME2. I love these characters (most of them) but it´s just simple maths that they won´t be wasting resources into such DLCs.

Your logic is flawed, if you lost characters in ME 2, it makes for great replay value to let them survive next time to play the DLC in ME 3... HELLO???

Modifié par WolfyZA, 27 juin 2012 - 01:14 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Vlk3 wrote...

Oh, what about Garrus or Tali? They could die in ME2 too.

And why do you want us to stop? Would any ME2 squad member DLC related hurt you?

I can't change your mind on Thane's death. Think what you want, but please don't try so hard to destroy all hope for us.

Anyway, I think I'm done here, Seeing how generous and empathic some of you are...

Still wish you never get same treatment from others as we got. I support better treatment of other romances too. At least someone can end up satisfied.

In answer to bolded point. I said this in another threead but seems applicable to this one too.

Pretty sure you will not get a Thane specific DLC. For simple reason I cannot see Bioware creating a DLC that is only for a partial group within fanbase as a whole who picked the option that he might survived in both a previous game and then retconning this game so could survive. All DLC needs to be for all fans not just ones who picked a specific choice out of many outcomes, making a DLC for sub-section of the fanbase as opposed to entire fanbase is bad business. Same reason will not be a reunion DLC.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 27 juin 2012 - 01:19 .

[Applepie_Svk]

WolfyZA wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

I said it third time... Don´t ask for DLC with former squadmates because they could died in ME2 as result of ME2. I love these characters (most of them) but it´s just simple maths that they won´t be wasting resources into such DLCs.

Your logic is flawed, if you lost characters in ME 2, it makes for great replay value to let them survive next time to play the DLC in ME 3... HELLO???

Former squadmate chars can be most just like a temporary characters in dlcs nothing more... if you want full playthrought with them than no...

[Cutlass Jack]

TullyAckland wrote...

Do you not remember what is said during Kai Leng's demise?

My wife (Who's main Shep romanced Thane exclusively) did a cheer that I heard two floors away when she got to that moment.  It was a moment so perfect for her playthrough.

Fortunately it was her first run, since Shep says that if romancing him or not. It would not have had the same impact if it was her second run. That line really should have been saved exclusively for a Thane romance playthrough. Just to give those players who stuck with that tragic tale a final moment all their own.

But overall the wife was pretty happy with how Thane was handled. She really hadnt expected more than a quick note saying he passed away between games, instead she got a few well done moments to reconnect with him before the end.

Not that she would have complained about a few more.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 27 juin 2012 - 01:55 .

[Legbiter]

Heh, Thane had TRAGIC written all over him from the first sentence out. Seriously, do people not recognize these archetypes? Plus, man got the best sendoff in the game. What a way to go.

Modifié par Legbiter, 27 juin 2012 - 01:58 .

[Transairion]

In a game that's all about changing things, Thane shouldn't be forced to go under any circumstances.

Introduce character that is going to die, and who repeatedly mentions they're at peace with dying. Said character makes a nobel sacrifice, and dies from wounds.

Seriously, wtf logic buddy. Thane was planned to die since his recruitment mission, he mentions how he's gonna die across two whole games, and you're upset that Bioware killed him? Doesn't matter if there's a cure, since Thane refused to be put on the lung-transplant waiting list (so he had a chance, rejected it cause he's at peace with it already).

He's okay with dying. Clearly you weren't ok with him dying but, hey, it's not exactly your choice right? The guy who was gonna die, died (big shock). Just accept that beautiful prayer Thane and Koylat gave to you and be at peace with it.


But yeah, no Thane DLC. Thane's about the least problematic thing that needs a DLC right now.

[Erixxxx]

PurebredCorn wrote...

I'm a Thane fan. Having him die was heartbreaking, but it was the right thing to do.

[HellbirdIV]

Thane's death was deeply moving and tragic, I found. So why have an option to remove it? Unless saving him has some other severe side-effects (like saving Mordin, which requires both Wrex and Eve to die and sabotaging the cure), him dying when you are able to save him would seem like you just screwed up, instead of the role it serves in the plot - setting Shepard against Kai Leng (even though it didn't do so very well because Kai Leng sucks, but whatever..)

Reminds me of how Miranda can die in ME3 actually... It's terribly out of place and when she died, I was just left wondering "Wait, what just happened? How come I can't Medi-gel her tiny wound?" . At least Thane died from complications with his condition, he wasn't a perfectly healthy twenty-thirtysomething in top shape.. Miranda dying just feels "cheap". Thane's death would also feel cheap if it was the result of you doing something wrong.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 27 juin 2012 - 02:15 .

[BadExamp1e]

TullyAckland wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Player choice is important, but we also believe those choices are only meaningful when part of a storyline that bears some reality or truth. With Thane, the player faced the experience of developing a bond with a character that had a terminal disease. We felt it would have trivialized Thane’s experience, and the value of that kind of storyline, if the player was able to simply “solve” his problem and let him live happily ever after.


Also, moved this to spoiler forum.

I would put the counter-argument that while that is certainly valid, the reality the Shepard does not ever reflect on Thane again, throughout the entire game (minus the one slide now introduced in the EC) and that the "romance" feels less like an actual romantic moment and more of a quick tumble in the hay is what most Thane fans are upset about. And given how much space was devoted to characters like Liara, I do understand where fans of other characters are coming from. That is my theory on why people want more Thane - because the game content is put together in a way that makes you wonder if it's just there because it "had to be".

Do you not remember what is said during Kai Leng's demise?

Loved that bit. Thane's send-off was great for me personally, and it felt real good to get some payback in that kinda style.