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[Psile_01]

Thane and pretty much all ME2 exclusive romances got screwed pretty hard in ME3. I personally romanced Tali. My fiance romanced Thane and the difference in quality is fairly mind blowing.

I personally think if Thane had been treated a little more like Jack with a little more LI specific dialogue it would have been less offensive, even if he had still died. Also, there's always this tweet.

"Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end."

Patrick Weeks

Really kind of shoots any argument that he was treated fairly down since they straight up forgot about him.

Modifié par Psile_01, 01 juillet 2012 - 05:35 .

[Ravereth]

That's a great idea! We should have an option to save Thane... as well as the option to save Mordin! and Legion! and Anderson! and the reaper on Rannoch! And Shepard! and Kai Leng and TIM and Saren and Ashley's brother - in -law and the kid on Earth and... do i have to continue?

In my opinion Thane's death was one of the best scenes in the game (especially the praying part) so I have to oppose, sorry.

[Most Definitely Sane]

Thane's death is an awesome scene if you didn't romance him.

..and Ravereth, we DO have an option to save Mordin.

If they won't let us save him, the least Bioware should do is have a Retake Kahje DLC. That way, if you play before the Coup and Thane is alive, he can help you and if he gets injured, it's a viable reason for his condition to be as bad as it is in Mass Effect 3. And if you do it after or Thane died in the suicide mission, Kolyat can take his place.

[Moira-chan]

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

I would love a DLC for every ME2 squadmate.

yepp, we too^^ we have a thread for it, opened by wonderfull gift fish,if you haven't seen it yet:

Petition for ME3 Romance DLC

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

Thane cured than dying would have been even greater storywise.
All the efforts to keep him alive wasted...

No thats worse because now his death is trite and meaningless.  curing him absolves the purpose of his looming fate. 

[Moira-chan]

[edit]
wuups, sorry, was the wrong thread ^^'

Modifié par Moira-chan, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:52 .

[Dendio1]

Sousabird wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Sousabird wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

@loony

Morinth and Jacob stand out to me.

Jacob is the only one who breaks up with shep
Morinth is the only one doomed to a terrible death

The terrible death being Shep shooting her

Death by shepard is something only a few squadmates endure and its optional for everyone but morinth
To make things worse poor morinth undergoes the insanity of indoctrination, then has her body altered irrevocably

Top it off with zero screen time, and I wonder if there was a failure to reach her voice actor or if they just forgot about her until the final hours.

To be fair, why were you keeping the mass murderer alive for ME3? (I did once but honestly I regret it)

I felt her story had more potential going into Mass effect 3. Boy was I wrong lol

Modifié par Dendio1, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:55 .

[blacqout]

Renmiri1 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

[ snip long WoT ]

I played ME3 with no prior knowledge of the game whatsoever, but Miranda and Jack were saved anyway. I think that i'd have quite liked seeing Jack as a phantom, but alas, it wasn't to be. 

It's nice for games to have a variety. Some deaths that can be completely avoided, some that can only be done so with great effort or sacrifice, and some that are forced. I never play Mass Effect as if i'm just watching it from afar. I like to put myself in Shepard's shoes and act as i would, and i'd save all of my friends. There should be forced deaths in these sorts of games, otherwise some of us wouldn't experience any tragedy in our games at all. 

I think that you're acting with far more selfishness, to be honest. Because you can't handle sadness, it should be removed entirely.

Aha!

Now I get you. You don't have the sense of loss we have because your first game on the ME3 universe was ME3.

I am also new to ME but unlike you, the day I bought ME3 I also bought ME2 and the little DLC that summarized ME1 and played those first. As a fan of good writing and good RPGs I knew that playing just "chapter 3" would make me have a very narrow minded view of the universe.

I am glad I did, the previous games are much better written, and are among the best RPGs I have ever played. 

I can see now why you want new content, and why you cling to a Bioware Easter Egg like the little hints at a Leviathan of Dis dialogs. Like any other ME player in history, you enjoyed the universe and story and want more. And you see us ME2 / ME1 fans as a barrier for you to get more.

My recommmendation for you is to get Genesis and play Mass Effect 2. If you liked Mass Effect 3, ME2 will completely blow you away. Trust me, if you like well written creative stories, don't deny yourself that experience. And is something to do while waiting for the new SP content.

No. What i meant was that i played Mass Effect 3 without any prior knowledge of Mass Effect 3. I've owned each Mass Effect game since the day of their respective release.

[Fixers0]

And if he's dead?

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Squeegee83 wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

No thats worse because now his death is trite and meaningless.  curing him absolves the purpose of his looming fate. 

Not really, that depends on each person's view point. For you it would have, for me, saving him would have added so much more to my game experience.

So now you can see there are two different view points, an option should have been put into place. Therefore, we both end up happy.  Unless you think I am some how lesser than you and not entitled to enjoy Thane's storyline just because you are happy with it?

You missed my point.  I was saying that healing him and then killing him is redundant.  His story was about his disease.  Either heal it or kill him.  Doing both is dumb.  Also heres something: If its so easy to cure, why wasnt he cured BEFORE meeting shepard?  Was he just lazy?

[Renmiri1]

Fixers0 wrote...

And if he's dead?

If he is dead, I guess some acknowledgement by Garrus, Bayley, Liara, Tali, etc.. would be nice. And seeing him after Sheppard dies. My Sheppard doesn't care to live after Thanes gone. My Sheppard just stays around to save her friends.

And THAT is what an adult person does when they want to / are ok with dying.  That is what an adult with responsabilities and people who depend on himself / herself does. Juliet, Romeo or Bella the vampire lover might kill themsleves if they lose their LI because they are a) Young and immature and Have no one depending on them.

We who have kids, squadmates,  elder parents depending on us don't have this luxury. We have to carry on living regardless of how dead we feel inside, in a deep "battle sleep" to be able to carry out our responsibilities.

Young posters here think that "being ok with dying" means you actually look for the first available glorious death opportunity you see, to go out "like a hero". That is only true if you have no one that depends on you and that will die or suffer to the breaking point if you "check out". Despite being very "ok with death" Sheppard will not actively seek it until she/he delivers her friends to safety. Thane would never have jumped on that bastard's sword if he was well written. He had a son to take care.

PS: You know what really pisses me off ? Thane prays for Sheppard if he/ she is not his LI. Why ? That is a generous gesture but it totally scr** us who are his LI and deserved that prayer. All the rest who think him boring and disposable do not. 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:42 .

[Direbunny]

I feel bad for all the Thane romancer (or any fan of him) but I really don't see this happening.. I didn't romance him so his death felt pretty OK to me, but I totally understand why others disliked it.

[Renmiri1]

Direbunny wrote...

I feel bad for all the Thane romancer (or any fan of him) but I really don't see this happening.. I didn't romance him so his death felt pretty OK to me, but I totally understand why others disliked it.

Ty 

Ya, hope is slim but what else can we do ? If Bioware forgot about Thne we will make sure they remember him, if only to get rid of us annoying Thane fans 

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

something involving thane's son would be great though, and a nice way to address this concern without ruining what's already there.

[Direbunny]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Direbunny wrote...

I feel bad for all the Thane romancer (or any fan of him) but I really don't see this happening.. I didn't romance him so his death felt pretty OK to me, but I totally understand why others disliked it.

Ty 

Ya, hope is slim but what else can we do ? If Bioware forgot about Thne we will make sure they remember him, if only to get rid of us annoying Thane fans 

Hope is the last thing that abandons mankind I should know, I'm an IT:er
I hope you get your Thane-dlc

[Renmiri1]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

something involving thane's son would be great though, and a nice way to address this concern without ruining what's already there.

It would be nice but no, it would not address the concern of people who romanced Thane or who saw his character be shortchanged on ME3.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

it could if his son's reaction to you is a response to thane's feelings for you.

for instance, thane could have left a data file with kolyat that is a special message just for shepard, or told him stories about it. Drell have perfect memories, kolyat could relay a message through his recollection to you.

Having a sex scene isnt the only thing that makes a character interesting.



Saying that theres no way to fix something just shows your own lack of creativity and imagination.  Its billigerant.  Bioware is full of smart people.  They were rushed making me2 and me3, but dlc for me2 and extended cut proves that they can do some good **** when they have time and resources to really lavish in something.

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 02 juillet 2012 - 04:29 .

[English Cooper]

@ Doctor_Jackstraw,

I actually think that is a good idea in regards to Kolyat, anything that gave acknowledgent to a (Romantic) relationship after his death would have made it a whole lot easier to accept it (for those whose favourite character was Thane) - Especcially as this is the only LI is dies no matter what. An this would be an addition too rather than a re-working of the storyline that a lot of people like.

[Renmiri1]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

it could if his son's reaction to you is a response to thane's feelings for you.

for instance, thane could have left a data file with kolyat that is a special message just for shepard, or told him stories about it. Drell have perfect memories, kolyat could relay a message through his recollection to you.

Having a sex scene isnt the only thing that makes a character interesting.



Saying that theres no way to fix something just shows your own lack of creativity and imagination.  Its billigerant.  Bioware is full of smart people.  They were rushed making me2 and me3, but dlc for me2 and extended cut proves that they can do some good **** when they have time and resources to really lavish in something.

Point taken. I wasn't referring to a sex scene. We actually got a groping scene and I hated it. It was poorly written and sloppy.

You have a lot more faith in Bioware than I do. I hope you are right and they manage to recapture their magic ways of making good games. ME3 suffered a lot for the lack of it. 

[Renmiri1]

 Talking about the "Heroic Deaths" on ME3. There are 3 that come to mind:
Mordrin

• Dies saving an entire race
• Dies redeeming himself for creating/aggravating the problem in the first place
• Only Mordrin could do what he did, no one else could
• It was his choice and he fully knew he would die
• Was near death as a 40 years old Salarian
• Leaves no one behind depending on him
• Is not an LI

Legion

• Dies saving an entire race, his own
• Dies redeeming his race for having some of it's members follow Saren
• Only Legion could do what he did, no one else could
• It was his choice and he fully knew he would die
• Was not near death
• Leaves no one behind depending on him
• Is not an LI

Thane

• Dies saving only one person
• Dies redeeming his past ? Wasn't Suicide Mission enough "redemption " ?
• ANYONE could do what he did, Kirahe actually does it in some versions
• It was NOT his choice, he didn't know everyone would be staring at Kai Lame motionless
• Was near death
• Leaves A SON  behind depending on him, leaves Sheppard heartbroken when she is under a big challenge
• Is an LI

Does that put how lame Thane's mandatory death is in perspective ?

[Vlk3]

May I add that Thane dies saving person no one really cares about?

Salarian councilor... hmmm...what about Shepards who sacrificed Council in ME1? Is life of one Council member really that valuable? What about The Council being completely useless, so saving them is even less worth dying for?

[coldwetn0se]

Renmiri1 wrote...

 Talking about the "Heroic Deaths" on ME3. There are 3 that come to mind:
Mordrin

• Dies saving an entire race
• Dies redeeming himself for creating/aggravating the problem in the first place
• Only Mordrin could do what he did, no one else could 
• It was his choice and he fully knew he would die
• Was near death as a 40 years old Salarian
• Leaves no one behind depending on him
• Is not an LI

Legion

• Dies saving an entire race, his own
• Dies redeeming his race for having some of it's members follow Saren
• Only Legion could do what he did, no one else could 
• It was his choice and he fully knew he would die
• Was not near death
• Leaves no one behind depending on him
• Is not an LI

Thane

• Dies saving only one person
• Dies redeeming his past ? Wasn't Suicide Mission enough "redemption " ?
• ANYONE could do what he did, Kirahe actually does it in some versions 
• It was NOT his choice, he didn't know everyone would be staring at Kai Lame motionless
• Was near death
• Leaves A SON  behind depending on him, leaves Sheppard heartbroken when she is under a big challenge
• Is an LI

Does that put how lame Thane's mandatory death is in perspective ?

[*]Simple, concise evaluation.  Thumbs up.

[DineBoo]

Vlk3 wrote...

May I add that Thane dies saving person no one really cares about?

Salarian councilor... hmmm...what about Shepards who sacrificed Council in ME1? Is life of one Council member really that valuable? What about The Council being completely useless, so saving them is even less worth dying for?

You know, it makes less sense if you didn't take up the Dalatrass' offer and cured the genophage. Why would you care about the Salarian concilor now? Sure you need their info about Udina, but that info came out during the coup.

Now, if you sabotaged the cure, I could see Shepard saving the concilor. Not Thane.

If they really wanted it to make sense, the should have had a Hanar ambassador with the info, or Koylay somehow stumbled upon it if you did Thane's loyalty quest. Then Thane sacrificing himself (ugh) would be a lot more paltable to Thane fans.

[BeastSaver]

I would (try) to be first in line for a Thane DLC. I hope that someday I'll be able to tell him that I rushed to Huerta Memorial for him, not Kaidan. And that I make no apologies to Kaidan that I moved on. And that someone other than Commander Bailey and Kolyat recognize how he saved the Salarian counselor...