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[Renmiri1]

You would have to beat me to it

[JPN17]

No thanks. They already ruined ME3. No need for them to ruin Thane as well. :/

[firel]

BeastSaver wrote...

I would (try) to be first in line for a Thane DLC. I hope that someday I'll be able to tell him that I rushed to Huerta Memorial for him, not Kaidan. And that I make no apologies to Kaidan that I moved on. And that someone other than Commander Bailey and Kolyat recognize how he saved the Salarian counselor...

Does Bailey even recognize Thane though? I don't even remember that.

[firel]

JPN17 wrote...

No thanks. They already ruined ME3. No need for them to ruin Thane as well. :/

How does having the option to have Thane survive ruin him? In the same way having the option to save Mordin does to him? Give me a break.

Modifié par firel, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:47 .

[Renmiri1]

JPN17 wrote...

No thanks. They already ruined ME3. No need for them to ruin Thane as well. :/

Ruin who ? You are obviously not familiar with Thane and what he feels of thinks. To you he is just a redshirt that gives your sheppard some angst to feel cool. Which is fine by me, but why are you taking away my right to have the character I knew and loved on ME2 come back on ME3 ?

I just posted this on another thread, it is refering to people like you.

Renmiri1 wrote...

giftfish wrote...
Great job everyone, in 96 hours we hit over 1000 votes on Question #1.
Nice to see suggestions are still coming in, also. Keep spreading the word

Shows you that Tuly Awckland is full of s*** If you are not a selfish self absorbed teenageer, the fact that someone else can play a game without Thane dying doesn't "trivialize" your game.

[Julia_xo]

Renmiri1 wrote...

JPN17 wrote...

No thanks. They already ruined ME3. No need for them to ruin Thane as well. :/

Ruin who ? You are obviously not familiar with Thane and what he feels of thinks. To you he is just a redshirt that gives your sheppard some angst to feel cool. Which is fine by me, but why are you taking away my right to have the character I knew and loved on ME2 come back on ME3 ?

I just posted this on another thread, it is refering to people like you.

Renmiri1 wrote...

giftfish wrote...
Great job everyone, in 96 hours we hit over 1000 votes on Question #1.
Nice to see suggestions are still coming in, also. Keep spreading the word

Shows you that Tuly Awckland is full of s*** If you are not a selfish self absorbed teenageer, the fact that someone else can play a game without Thane dying doesn't "trivialize" your game.

Exactly, Renmiri. ME3 Thane is already ruined for many of us since he was reduced to a "redshirt" - a character whose only purpose is to die. Any DLC with him would be a salvage job, imo.

Modifié par Julia_xo, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:09 .

[Renmiri1]

Just posted this in another thread.. Maybe explaining "Why Thane" would help people understand us Thane fans a bit more...

Why Thane ?

There's a video with a Kathy Perry's song for Thane, with the line "For you I risk it all" in there. That is what Thane does. He risks it all for Sheppard. His life on a suicide mission. His emotions on the slim possibility she feels the same. His son's happiness on a mission with her. Thane holds nothing back, he gives all he has and is to Sheppard... One of his last lines in ME2 is "I have little time left but any I have is yours to take"  

That is literally Thane for me. Anything he has and is, he gives up willingly to Sheppard.

I started off scoffing at Thane. He was way too cool for my taste. A "bad to the bone" assassin in leather jacket, flawless, cocky.. "I never make mistakes".. was way too formulaic for my taste.

But I read somewhere you needed the loyalty of most of your squaddies to do well on the final mission and that talking to them and being nice to them raised loyalty, so I did.

It got me flirted by all the potential LI and rejected by Mordrin and Samara!

But all the other squaddies were so guarded and afraid of getting hurt! Thane was afraid too but that didn't stop him from opening himself to his Siha. Just as he has no fear of death, he had no fear of getting hurt, if that meant the possibility of getting together with my Sheppard. He is mature and patient. He knows the odds of having a ship's captain hook up with a crew-mate, let alone a terminally ill one.

Jacob has one of the funniest lines in the game "One nighter with the captain is one of the surest ways to end out of an airlock". Jacob pulled back. All of them did. Except Thane. His love for Sheppard is bigger than his fear of getting hurt.

He doesn't fear death, he doesn't fear heartbreak. The only thing that chills him to the bone is losing Sheppard

Modifié par Renmiri1, 03 juillet 2012 - 10:54 .

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Thane's son is an adult and not dependant on him.

Thane died protecting one of the most important people in the galaxy. Thats a goddamned hero in my book.

just because someone else gets to do it in another version doesnt mean that initial impact isnt incredible.

[Renmiri1]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Thane's son is an adult and not dependant on him.

Thane died protecting one of the most important people in the galaxy. Thats a goddamned hero in my book.

just because someone else gets to do it in another version doesnt mean that initial impact isnt incredible.

It is not what he told us in ME2, and not what he tells you on ME3 itself. He is at the Citadel to stay with his son.

Who ? A salarian ambassador ? They weren't important even when the Universe was not at war!

If he was so important, why didn't Bayley, Anderson or anyone talk about Thane's deed ?

[DeadpoolBub]

I feel bad for the Thane romancers. But if you didn't romance him, I think what they did with him was really good. Thane got to spend his final days happy & he sacrificed himself for the greater good, finally redeeming himself.

I say leave it as is. Though, they SHOULD touch up his death scene for those who romanced him. I find it BS that it's the exact same scene whether you romanced him or not.

[AxStapleton]

You guys certainly need something a hell of a lot more personal than what you got.

[The Angry One]

I find myself wondering if some people would be so insistent on set deaths if it was Miranda who was the one who is unavoidably killed.

[Epic777]

The Angry One wrote...

I find myself wondering if some people would be so insistent on set deaths if it was Miranda who was the one who is unavoidably killed.

To be fair, he does mention he will die soon the second you meet him. At least he went out like a hero, imagine anyone who romanced Jacob/.....

[English Cooper]

The Angry One wrote...

I find myself wondering if some people would be so insistent on set deaths if it was Miranda who was the one who is unavoidably killed.

Or Liara or Tali Or Garrus.. I personally understand that some people see a forced death as a powerful story device and fair enough.. my counterpoint would be make it as powerful as possible if your going to do it do it throw caution to the wind and do it..

They chose Thane.. a man already sick... so you shrug and say oh well he was dying anyway at least he went out a hero.. the death becomes less 'tragic'

they chose a Female Shepards Love Interest.. that means less people followed that path, not as much emotional impact for most players.. where as Liara, Tali or Miranda they have much more.

Thane dies and was never mentioned again.. if your going to force a death USE it in the story show ho it affects the hero.. don't do it and then forget about it.

[The Angry One]

Epic777 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I find myself wondering if some people would be so insistent on set deaths if it was Miranda who was the one who is unavoidably killed.

To be fair, he does mention he will die soon the second you meet him. At least he went out like a hero, imagine anyone who romanced Jacob/.....

And if you romance him, he says he has something to live for again and will do everything he can to do it.
Therefore it's really a slap in the face to Thanemancers where Thane is once again accepting of his death in ME3 and basically dies due to his illness (because Kai Leng is so incompetent he can't even properly kill a man who can't breathe well)..

Modifié par The Angry One, 05 juillet 2012 - 07:34 .

[English Cooper]

The Angry One wrote...

I find myself wondering if some people would be so insistent on set deaths if it was Miranda who was the one who is unavoidably killed.

Or Liara or Tali Or Garrus.. I personally understand that some people see a forced death as a powerful story device and fair enough.. my counterpoint would be make it as powerful as possible if your going to do it do it throw caution to the wind and do it..

They chose Thane.. a man already sick... so you shrug and say oh well he was dying anyway at least he went out a hero.. the death becomes less 'tragic'

they chose a Female Shepards Love Interest.. that means less people followed that path, not as much emotional impact for most players.. where as Liara, Tali or Miranda they have much more.

Thane dies and was never mentioned again.. if your going to force a death USE it in the story show ho it affects the hero.. don't do it and then forget about it.

[Moira-chan]

English Cooper wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I find myself wondering if some people would be so insistent on set deaths if it was Miranda who was the one who is unavoidably killed.

Or Liara or Tali Or Garrus.. I personally understand that some people see a forced death as a powerful story device and fair enough.. my counterpoint would be make it as powerful as possible if your going to do it do it throw caution to the wind and do it..

They chose Thane.. a man already sick... so you shrug and say oh well he was dying anyway at least he went out a hero.. the death becomes less 'tragic'

they chose a Female Shepards Love Interest.. that means less people followed that path, not as much emotional impact for most players.. where as Liara, Tali or Miranda they have much more.

Thane dies and was never mentioned again.. if your going to force a death USE it in the story show ho it affects the hero.. don't do it and then forget about it.

so right, cooper, really >.< all others had the possibility to eb saved

[The Angry One]

English Cooper wrote...

they chose a Female Shepards Love Interest.. that means less people followed that path, not as much emotional impact for most players.. where as Liara, Tali or Miranda they have much more.

Less people according to inaccurate statistics anyway.
Those same statistics that show far less people play Sheploo. But he's still shoved down our throats in the media because.. I don't know. Art maybe.

[firel]

Epic777 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I find myself wondering if some people would be so insistent on set deaths if it was Miranda who was the one who is unavoidably killed.

To be fair, he does mention he will die soon the second you meet him. At least he went out like a hero, imagine anyone who romanced Jacob/.....

If so, why did Bioware tease about three possible cures? Why did they support the cure campaign? I would be more inclined to agree with you if they hadn't given us things that built up our hope.

[TK514]

While not a Thanemancer, and while I enjoyed his fight with KL from a 'turn off your brain, it's an action hero moment' perspective, I have to admit his death didn't make much sense to me.

So they rush him to HM, and the doctors do...what? Shrug? He got stabbed, not forced to breathe in some chemical concoction that further reduced his lung's basic oxygen transfer rate. Sew up the hole. Put him on a respirator. If they'd said "We didn't get there in time, so he bled out on the table", well, that sucks but it makes sense. But "He has bad lungs so, uh, something something oxygen in his blood something something only one drell on station and this hugely funded multi-species hospital at the seat of galactic government doesn't have any drell blood on hand something something he's dying...I-I don't know..."?

Of course, the salt in the wound is the developer quote where they basically say, "Oh yeah.  I guess we forgot about Thane when it came to the LI aspect.  Oh well!"

Modifié par TK514, 05 juillet 2012 - 02:11 .

[Wyatt Shepard]

SeraphSkye wrote...

I don't get it, the guy is terminally ill, we all know this frmo the get-go. He already lived way beyond his projected lifespan according to the doctors, months have passed since ME2 and the start of ME3. The guy died protecting what he believed in and came to Shepard's aid when it mattered.

Thane's bittersweet chapter was closed, and I loved the way they did it.

This.

[N7Gold]

I got no problem with Thane's death. His death has been inevitable since ME2.

[Wyatt Shepard]

I thought Thane's death was very well done, particularly the scene with his son reading from the prayer book and the fact that the prayer was for Shep.

Look, we knew Thane had one foot in the grave from the first time we met him in ME2. If you romanced him, you did so knowing he had an incurable, fatal illness. He tells us in ME3 when we see him that he is not what he once was and never well be. He is death is just around the corner before the Cerberus coup attempt. So to complain he dies in ME3 seems odd to me, since off all the ME2 squadies, we KNEW he was going to die. It makes romancing him all the more poignant I guess.

I guess they could have added something if he was your romance, but to change his death or even have him live to the end of the game? No. Leave it as is.

[RShara]

Thane fans have been getting a lot of drive-by posters who don't bother to read our reasons before posting that they thought his death was "fine" or "bad-ass", or "you knew he was ill, deal with it". I'd like to clarify, as briefly as I can, why it was fine in one way, and a travesty in another. Bullet pointed first, then more detail later.

What we're asking for is, at the very least, more interaction with him before he dies. Interaction that is in character for him, please, and not just a couple of thrown in lines that continue in the same thread that he's already in. A lot of us are to the point, however, where we want a full-on life extension or cure, just because we are so very disappointed in how he was handled, and the lack of respect that was given to his character and story.

We are NOT asking that the entire story is changed. We are asking for an OPTIONAL addition where it's possible to save him if we take the right steps. WE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR THIS OPTION AS WELL!
You can see a flowchart of our propsal here: Thane Story Flowchart

Here is a possible ALTERNATE STORYLINE involving Kolyat, whom, since HE is part of Citadel Security, would make more sense than Thane.

We ARE asking that the romance be fixed to put in what Bioware has admitted they forgot about!


Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

- Patrick Weekes.


Please, constructive replies are welcome, but please no flaming or drive-by posting. Informed responses!

Yes we understand that he said he was dying in the very first conversation, and romanced him anyway. These are the reasons why we expected to have more time with him and why we're unhappy with how he was handled.

Bullet point list:

1. There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow Broker.
2. Thane was not at peace with his death. He was not prepared to die. He was never destined to die.
3. He did not go out with "a bang," the heroic death that he wanted (if not romanced). A cure would not trivialize his death.
4. There's barely any difference between a friendShep's dialogue and a romanceShep's.&nbsp; THANE DOES NOT EVEN UNLOCK THE PARAMOUR ACHIEVEMENT!
5. There's no shared mission with Thane. The side mission that really should have been his went to... Kasumi??
6. The death scene was impersonal, the same for both friendShep and a romanceShep's.
7. After he died, no one save Kai-Leng mentioned Thane's name again. No chance for Shepard to mourn or talk about him with others, romanced or not.

Modifié par RShara, 05 juillet 2012 - 03:47 .

[Moira-chan]

N7Gold wrote...

I got no problem with Thane's death. His death has been inevitable since ME2.

let me give you some example of how you miss one point. I will take tali as it. She could have died even in mass effect because of her weak immun system. she never got in contact with any bacterial or viren, so when she's connecting her suit with shepard it would causes her death. she risked her life to have a romance night with you. if a body was never in contact with microorganism there are no anitbodies within the blood so that at leat, as tali always said, the smallest contact with bacteria would causes her death, but she did not died, because maybe she want to or at least because it's a science fiction

and that how we got to thane. sure he could die, but in a science ficition where shepard overcame death quite more damged and injured like thane ever been, there would be opportunties to save him.
His ilness is based on cystic fibrosis. you can read about it here:
Cytic fibrosis

at least there are even treatments for this ilness right now, i'm in contact with one who has it. thane was never supposed to die. even bioware said, that they did not know where to go.
afterwards we are not talking about curing kepral right at the moment, no we just said it's easy to Save Thane from being stabbed not more not less.
i wrote a 2 pages long essay, sent to bioware, that even right now he was able to save. i gave you an extract:

Thane was stabbed by Kai Leng’s sword. As far
as I can judge it, Leng did not hit a critical place so the inner organs should
not be injured. The only problem Thane had was his blood loss. For medicine,
that is highly more developed in the 22th Century this should not be a big
problem. Even though Thane did lose a lot of blood, which affects his oxygen
flow however over the years of already having this problem his body have gotten
use to it. I really though the Citadel, the capitol of the universe, having so
many different species living there that they would have enough reserve of
blood for everyone. This is especially true when you find the data pad in the
hospital to cure Hanars. So why can’t we find something for the Drell?

To sum it
up, what is said about Kepral’s Syndrome in Mass Effect is similar to the
dysfunction of protein like our hemoglobin, it cannot transport the oxygen properly.
I am guessing it is in the iron complex because that is where the oxygen is bound.
Of course you never said the protein of Drell is like our hemoglobin but
because they are also beings based on carbonate; I feel I can apply human facts
on Drells.



While in operation, Thane’s lungs and blood are
pumped with a lot of oxygen to keep him alive. So that means that every hemoglobin
protein is caring oxygen. Carbon dioxide is a kind of concurrent for the oxygen
in our body. It is transported mostly with the blood itself-in the liquid-but
also a few molecules are transported with the help of hemoglobin. In our bodies
there is a mechanism that oxygen can crowd out carbon dioxide out of the
hemoglobin, because it changes the structure of the protein and release the
bond carbon dioxide. So while Thane is in the operation, it can be sure, that
every hemoglobin protein in his remaining blood carries as much oxygen as
possible. One protein is able to carry more than one molecule of oxygen, so it
compensates his lost.



Actually you never said how much blood an adult
Drell has, I am guessing its quiet the same as humans because they have nearly
the same size and structure, so the needs of metabolism for oxygen should be
quite the same. With an injury like Thane’s, the time it took to get to Huerta,
I concluded that he had lost about 2-3 liters of blood. Thane as being an adult
would have 6-7 liters, so he lost something around 33% of his normal blood
level and something like this can be handled with modern medicine. So how can
this be a problem for the future? A future with scientific engineering wonders?
Miranda is cloned out of stem cells from her father and is genetically perfect.
Shepard overcame death is another example. But it is not possible to rescue a
Drell with blood loss? I cannot even believe this.



A transfusion from erythrocyte could make up for the lost of time. This method isused today to compensate a blood loss from 2-3 litters. Erythrocytes are the
cells in the “red spinal cord” which produces the red blood cells and
hemoglobin. In case of losing blood a special regulation in the genes (it’s
kind of a button which is pushed by a special chemistry to start the
translation of the special gene “area”) the production of it increases and the
needs of unnecessary organs are slowed down and the body can survive.

A citadelhospital, the capital of the universe does not have conserves of Drell blood?

Kolyat is around 17 His protein is intact and he has a working iron center for binding
the oxygen. Normally a human in the present now can donate up to one liter
without any consequences. So Thane would remain alive with a transfusion of 5-6
liters. That is a level near a normal one. The medicine also has the
possibility to make Kolyat inhale pure oxygen that his hemoglobin is to only
carry oxygen and no carbon dioxide. Kolyat’s blood would remain 5 days within
Thane; because this is the time the body needs to exchange the blood (not at
same time of course) and will help his father to have enough oxygen for his
metabolism. I dare to say that the amount of oxygen within Thane should be
quite the same as it is without the injury. The probability that Kolyat’s blood
is refused by Thanes body is quite low, because they are father and son, their
genetic material is of 50% equal. So if Kolyat’s donation offers Shepard the
time to go to Kahje to get blood from there, then it would be possible for
Thane to survive. He only had to keep on an oxygen mask in the meanwhile.


Another possibility for Kolyat is that he could have also donated erythrocyte and the doctor can implant them into Thane, so he has more cells which are producing hemoglobin.


[edit] sorry for formating, but i could not make it better

Modifié par Moira-chan, 05 juillet 2012 - 04:13 .