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[Renmiri1]

DukeOfNukes wrote...


If we're using this as an example of shoddy story telling throughout the game, I'm all with you. But you're not...you're saying "I love Thane, so he shouldn't die."

Why thanks for reading my mind for me. Shall I ask you what I'm saying before I type this post too ?


ME3 was shoddy and full of plot holes. That made the game not fun to play. Add to that the shoddy way they treated Thane and the game is unplayable FOR ME. Hence me asking for a paid DLC which fixes various aspects, including Thane's death.

But since you know what I'm thinking and saying why don't you correct me ? 

[M. Hanky]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Just love how people who never bothered talking with the character come here to teach us simple wimin what he was and what he wanted

just love how everyone who disagrees with you is sexist, degrading, and completely ignorant about what they're talking about. open your mind. that doesn't mean that you have to agree, just be willing to sit down, have a civil discussion, and be willing to understand why someone might disagree with you.

EDIT: and BTW, I would have been ok with Ashely dying. It would have sucked, I would have been sad, but then I would have moved on with my life.

Modifié par M. Hanky, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:26 .

[Renmiri1]

I do try, which is more than those people who refuse to read the thread and refuse to document their statements like "It was HIS choice" do.

But it gets very tiring to have to repeat over and over and over all the dialog from ME2, plus the LOTSB letter that even was in ME3. People come here for drive by posting to telling us pearls of wisdom like "Thane was dying of incurabilitis", backed by one retconned line in game, or even by NOTHING in game whatsoever like the guy above with "it was his choice".

Gets on my nerves yes. And I make fun of them for posting shallow baseless and misinformed claims without bothering to listen to anything else. Is is it my fault that I point out the glaring flaws on their posts ?

Perhaps they should learn to oh, i don't know, read the last 2 pages before posting drivel ?

EDIT: Good for you, lets make a deal then.. On your game you pick Ashley to die heroically adding unfathomable depths to your Sheppard and in my game I get the option of NOT having my LI die after barely meeting him again. 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:34 .

[M. Hanky]

it isn't drivel just because you don't like it. they actually make some good points, but you're so blinded by anger over thane's death that it's kinda hard to see anything else. regardless of the LOTSB letter and other things, by ME3 things have obviously changed. months have passed, whereas before he may not have accepted his death, by ME3 he did. whether you consider that to be bad writing or not, so be it, but those are the facts.

[RShara]

Oh for the love of pete.

I'm not going over this again for the umpteenth time.

We're not the ones who have our minds closed.

Thank you goodbye.

[M. Hanky]

Renmiri1 wrote...

IEDIT: Good for you, lets make a deal then.. On your game you pick Ashley to die heroically adding unfathomable depths to your Sheppard and in my game I get the option of NOT having my LI die after barely meeting him again. 

can't always get the happy ending we want, no matter what choices we make.

Modifié par M. Hanky, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:40 .

[M. Hanky]

RShara wrote...

Oh for the love of pete.

I'm not going over this again for the umpteenth time.

We're not the ones who have our minds closed.

Thank you goodbye.

you're right, because I don't agree, I am the closed minded one. *applause*

[RShara]

Yet everyone gets the choice of a happy ending except Thane and Jacob fans

[DukeOfNukes]

Renmiri1 wrote...

ME3 was shoddy and full of plot holes.

Yes, yes it was. What they SHOULD have done is, if Thane survived the Suicide mission...he died protecting the Salarian Councillor. If HE didn't survive the mission, there was nobody there to save the councillor, and she died at Kai Lengs hands. Shepard potentially still protects the rest of the council, but the plot never gets discovered as being guided by Udina's hands.

If Jack had died, the biotic students should have been more wreckless and gotten themselves killed inside the Academy. If Wrex was dead, there should have been no cure to the genophage available, and if the Rachni queen was dead, the mission with Grunt shouldn't have happened.

[Renmiri1]

M. Hanky wrote...

it isn't drivel just because you don't like it. they actually make some good points, but you're so blinded by anger over thane's death that it's kinda hard to see anything else. regardless of the LOTSB letter and other things, by ME3 things have obviously changed. months have passed, whereas before he may not have accepted his death, by ME3 he did. whether you consider that to be bad writing or not, so be it, but those are the facts.

Yup those are the facts that I'm complaining about here, in the forum of the game publisher. ME3 killed the story and the personality of the character, not just his "body". The ME3 person was not the Thane we met on ME2. 

I don't like it, and to me it is even worse than his "physical" death. As you so clumsily pointred out the other day, people die. But to have the character completely change and to make my Sheppards reaction to him completely change was cruel and lazy writing by ME and is much worse than Thane's death itself.

You did get a nice ninja fight out of it and a great line to say to Kai Lame when you killed him so you are happy. I am not. To me Thane was a lot more than a red shirt. His death was not well done and his character was assassinated, just as Jacob's was.

[M. Hanky]

love the cartoon, btw

[Renmiri1]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

ME3 was shoddy and full of plot holes.

Yes, yes it was. What they SHOULD have done is, if Thane survived the Suicide mission...he died protecting the Salarian Councillor. If HE didn't survive the mission, there was nobody there to save the councillor, and she died at Kai Lengs hands. Shepard potentially still protects the rest of the council, but the plot never gets discovered as being guided by Udina's hands.

Sigh... M Hanky, see what I was talking about ? Genius here doesn't even know Kirrahe saves the ambassador.

[RShara]

Listen.

We are asking for options and choices. Why is this so bad? How does it hurt you? It doesn't. If you don't like the choice that we like, DON'T CHOOSE IT. That's the beauty of having a choice. You get to do what YOU want.

Thane and Jacob are the only LI's EVER in Bioware's history to be forced down a no-continuation path.

We are asking for fair treatment for ALL LI, especially the ones treated the worst.

We are saying that Thane was NOT accepting or ready for death.

We are saying that there COULD HAVE been a very simple and logical method to save him, via a lung transplant.

Where exactly in all of this is there anything wrong or bad?

Other than the, "He's dead, deal with it" argument, which isn't really an argument at all.

[M. Hanky]

Renmiri1 wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

ME3 was shoddy and full of plot holes.

Yes, yes it was. What they SHOULD have done is, if Thane survived the Suicide mission...he died protecting the Salarian Councillor. If HE didn't survive the mission, there was nobody there to save the councillor, and she died at Kai Lengs hands. Shepard potentially still protects the rest of the council, but the plot never gets discovered as being guided by Udina's hands.

Sigh... M Hanky, see what I was talking about ? Genius here doesn't even know Kirrahe saves the ambassador.

um... did you read the same thing you just quoted?

[RShara]

The only arguments I ever see are, "Thane died a boss, deal with it." "Thane died the way he wanted to, deal with it." "He was dying anyway, at least he went out with a bang. Deal with it."

Not a single one of these arguments is open minded, nor are they based in fact.

[Renmiri1]

/facepalm

Mass Effect wiki...

During Cerberus' attack on the Citadel event, Kai Leng will threaten the salarian councilor's life. If Kirrahe is alive but Thane Krios is dead or never spoke to Shepard before the attack, then Kirrahe will save the salarian councilor's life instead of Thane, but die in the process.

http://masseffect.wi...Captain_Kirrahe

My mind must be open to learn about the game from someone who doesn't know @#@ about it...

[DukeOfNukes]

RShara wrote...

Yet everyone gets the choice of a happy ending except Thane and Jacob fans

Where where these happy endings? I must have missed them. I didn't want Thane to die...I almost cried when he did. Same as Mordin. I went in to this game expecting Shepard would by dead by the end of it.

[Julia_xo]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...
According to the way the ME3 story was told, there was no way that Shepard could have saved Thane.

Fixed.

Ant that is exactly our problem with it. One of them at least

Normally I'd agree with you, but nope. As I've already stated, you couldn't save Jenkins. You couldn't stop the Battle for the Citadel. You couldn't stop Horizon from being attacked, or Shepard from dying. If I can't keep myself from dying, why should I be able to save Thane?

If we're using this as an example of shoddy story telling throughout the game, I'm all with you. But you're not...you're saying "I love Thane, so he shouldn't die."

The way Thane could have survived is by staying away from Kai Leng. He chose not to do so, and got killed because of it.

Yet, Shepard can save a plethora of other characters. Thane & Legion are the only former squaddies you have no choice over. Even Shepard was saved, despite being clinically braindead.

With Legion I was not happy, but I understood. He dies to uplift his entire race and is remembered afterward.

Thane dies because Shepard and her/his squad just stand around derping in the background watching the ~awsum nonsensical ninja fight~. Thane then runs and jumps onto Kai Leng's sword for dramtic effect. <_<

No one really cares. He's just forgotten.

And you gotta love how the lung tansplant candidacy was swept under the rug, or how Shepard can't question Thane at all about how he's acting completely different and contradicting himself? That's all ignored.

There are clear problems with how Thane was handled in ME3 and we want these things addressed.

[M. Hanky]

RShara wrote...

Listen.

We are asking for options and choices. Why is this so bad? How does it hurt you? It doesn't. If you don't like the choice that we like, DON'T CHOOSE IT. That's the beauty of having a choice. You get to do what YOU want.

Thane and Jacob are the only LI's EVER in Bioware's history to be forced down a no-continuation path.

We are asking for fair treatment for ALL LI, especially the ones treated the worst.

We are saying that Thane was NOT accepting or ready for death.

We are saying that there COULD HAVE been a very simple and logical method to save him, via a lung transplant.

Where exactly in all of this is there anything wrong or bad?

Other than the, "He's dead, deal with it" argument, which isn't really an argument at all.

you're right, it doesn't hurt me. but what it comes down to is that we don't get to have everything exactly the way we want it in all aspects of the game. yes, it is just a game, but it is a game that strives to have a realistic (in a sci fi setting) plot with realistic characters. while we may have different opinions on what makes those characters realistic or what destroys their realism, something that would completely destroy any semblance of realism for the plot/playability of the game itself is having an omnipotent shepard who can, through his/her choices alone, save or kill anyone on a whim. THAT would hurt me and others as having the choice to be able to save everyone would make the game corney and cheesy. why not be able to save everyone on thessia? why not palaven? why not earth?

[DukeOfNukes]

M. Hanky wrote...

um... did you read the same thing you just quoted?

No, he didn't.

I was CLEARLY stating what SHOULD have happened.

[Renmiri1]

I'm all for giving you a choice to sacrifice your own LI if you wish Thane's noble death for him / her.

Also all for forcing all players to chose 3 squad mates to die, regardless, if you want to save the galaxy. Not everyone lives, life is not Disney, etc.. etc..

I just want MY choice to have the same respect and importance as YOURS

Modifié par Renmiri1, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:53 .

[M. Hanky]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

M. Hanky wrote...

um... did you read the same thing you just quoted?

No, he didn't.

I was CLEARLY stating what SHOULD have happened.

I know. seriously. and pretty sure it's a she, btw

[RShara]

Except Thane has a LOGICAL extension possibility. It would not have been unrealistic or difficult to implement. No more so than, as has been mentioned before, genophage, Tali, heck, Garrus takes a missile to the face...

Yet, everyone else is just fine.

If they wanted something with angst, there should have been a choice between characters. The VS was well done because you really had to make a sacrifice and it was awful but well done.

Thane's death was just cheap and lazy. Character death due to bad writing =|= realistic.

[DukeOfNukes]

Julia_xo wrote...

There are clear problems with how Thane was handled in ME3 and we want these things addressed.

There are clear problems with how EVERYTHING was handled from the beggining of Mass Effect 2.

[RShara]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

There are clear problems with how Thane was handled in ME3 and we want these things addressed.

There are clear problems with how EVERYTHING was handled from the beggining of Mass Effect 2.

THIS we can agree on 100%.

So what's wrong with us trying to fix what matters most to us?