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[DineBoo]

His death is only okay if you didn't romance him. And as someone who considered him a friend to my Shep,it was not heroic to me.

What people have issues with is:

-How early in the game it is

-How Shep and company just stand around during the fight scene

-How it happens after one conversation with him, where he talks mostly about the VS

-How it doesn't give the Paramour achievement

-How his death is not acknowledged by Shep or the crew right after the coup. He's not mourned at all. And it is particularly appalling ro femSheps who romanced him when you get a parade of women into your cabin.

So yes people knew he was going to die, just not so darn early. in the game. The fact that he is the only LI to die, and it only happens to femShep, is irritating.

[The Not So Illusive Man]

DineBoo wrote...

So yes people knew he was going to die, just not so darn early. in the game. The fact that he is the only LI to die, and it only happens to femShep, is irritating.

Miranda, Tali, Samara (if you count her) and Cortez can all die.

[HellbirdIV]

Thane dying shouldn't be fixed for that, Thane's romance arc needs to be fixed for that.

As long as Thane still dies after the Citadel Coup, it's fine by me. But give him more scenes with his Siha first!

[Wahukeza]

Transairion wrote...

Introduce character that is going to die, and who repeatedly mentions they're at peace with dying. Said character makes a nobel sacrifice, and dies from wounds.

Seriously, wtf logic buddy. Thane was planned to die since his recruitment mission, he mentions how he's gonna die across two whole games, and you're upset that Bioware killed him? Doesn't matter if there's a cure, since Thane refused to be put on the lung-transplant waiting list (so he had a chance, rejected it cause he's at peace with it already).

He's okay with dying. Clearly you weren't ok with him dying but, hey, it's not exactly your choice right? The guy who was gonna die, died (big shock). Just accept that beautiful prayer Thane and Koylat gave to you and be at peace with it.


But yeah, no Thane DLC. Thane's about the least problematic thing that needs a DLC right now.

That's all fine and well when he isn't romanced - but if he is romanced, he's no longer at peace with death at all. He's frightened by it. And yet he reacts exactly the same to a romanced Shepard in ME3 as he would to a non-romanced one.

Now, though I'm a Thanemancer I fully expected him to die in ME3. I would have liked a cure, of course (especially considering the foreshadowing for it) but I knew that he was just waiting for a blaze of glory scene. It's just how that was handled which bothers me. You get one crappy conversation with him beforehand, and all you can talk about is his illness. The one bone thrown for him as an LI is a brief and awkward public makeout session. He's made a complete reversal from romanced ME2 Thane. In addition, the canon for his illness seems to have been drastically changed from game to game in an attempt to justify his death.

Then you've got the coup scene itself. As dumb as it is, even if you ignore the fact that Shepard and pals don't do anything the fight still doesn't make sense. Why didn't Thane just shoot Kai as soon as he had the gun to his head? It could have been over before it started - sure, that wouldn't have been terribly entertaining, but then why show that in the first place? If Thane still had the assassin skills to sneak up on Kai without anyone realising, surely his brain would still function enough to pull the trigger as soon as he arrived. Then you've got the manner of his death. Running towards a man with a big sword while firing a gun at point blank range - and no bullets hit? Come on!

And then you've got a romanced Shepard reacting to her boyfriend being impaled with nothing more than a "how bad is it" and then running off. Shepard looking bored as he dies. Or Garrus mentioning that he's glad nobody got killed at at the coup. And no squadmates mentioning Thane at all. Yes, there's stabbing Kai - and I'll admit, it was immensely satisfying hearing Shep do that for Thane. But as great a moment as that was, after everything else it felt like too little, too late. To top it all off, no Paramour achievement. Maybe there should have been a You should have chosen Garrus or Kaidan instead, stupid! trophy, because that's kind of what it felt like.

Thane's death could have been a great moment for the game, even for those who romanced him. Yet the mimimum interraction with him beforehand, the holes in the fight scene and the lack of acknowledgment of his death just made the whole thing feel... well, weak. I'm not suggesting an entire Thane DLC be made, but if there's any sort of romance/ME2 character improvement DLC in the works, I hope there's a helluva lot of Thane in it.

That said, if there was a DLC based on curing Keprals pre-coup, it'd be a fantastic opportunity to expand upon races and planets we know little about. An excuse to visit Kahje and talk to more hanar and drell, and if you're of the belief that curing Keprals is still too ridiculous in a game where the genophage is cured, the Geth and Quarians gain peace and a wild spacekid appears, then there could just as well be an option to sabotage the cure. Perhaps there could be a mission on a Fallout-esque Rakhana, too. Too much potential to pass up.

I know that you've heard these arguments before, but they still stand. Those who romanced Thane were treated like dirt in ME3.

The Not So Illusive Man wrote...

DineBoo wrote...

So
yes people knew he was going to die, just not so darn early. in the
game. The fact that he is the only LI to die, and it only happens to
femShep, is irritating.

Miranda, Tali, Samara (if you count her) and Cortez can all die.

Those are all preventable deaths.

Modifié par Wahukeza, 27 juin 2012 - 02:50 .

[Jamie9]

I, for one, liked that Thane dies no matter what. Sure, he should have had more content (especially if he's your LI), but it was clearly stated in ME2 that he would die.

It was touching.

[DineBoo]

The Not So Illusive Man wrote...
Miranda, Tali, Samara (if you count her) and Cortez can all die.

But you have options to save them. Warn Miranda about Kai, give access to Alliance data and she saved. Jack can be saved by doing the Grisshom Academy quest in time. And Tali can be saved by brokering peace between quarians and the geth or by simply taking the quarian's side.

Thane's death is out of the players hands. And he's the only LI who dies.  I'm not saying he should be cured, but his death, especailly for those who romanced him, should have happened way later in the game and he should have been mourned.

As a non romancer, I would have given up Kirahe in Thane's place. It's all about having choices, not just shoehorning a stupid fight scene in the game and taking the choice out of player's hands.

[EnaShepard]

Transairion wrote...

In a game that's all about changing things, Thane shouldn't be forced to go under any circumstances.

Introduce character that is going to die, and who repeatedly mentions they're at peace with dying. Said character makes a nobel sacrifice, and dies from wounds.

Seriously, wtf logic buddy. Thane was planned to die since his recruitment mission, he mentions how he's gonna die across two whole games, and you're upset that Bioware killed him? Doesn't matter if there's a cure, since Thane refused to be put on the lung-transplant waiting list (so he had a chance, rejected it cause he's at peace with it already).

He's okay with dying. Clearly you weren't ok with him dying but, hey, it's not exactly your choice right? The guy who was gonna die, died (big shock). Just accept that beautiful prayer Thane and Koylat gave to you and be at peace with it.


But yeah, no Thane DLC. Thane's about the least problematic thing that needs a DLC right now.

Yeah, he refused the lung-transplant, that's a fact.

But clearly, you didn't romance him. When romanced, at the end of ME2, Thane is NOT "okay with dying" anymore.
Why? Because he has something to live for: his son and Shepard.
But suddenly, in ME3, yeah, he seems okay with it again.
And that's not right. Not right at all. It's not really Thane in those scenes.

And for those who see a possible cure as a "magic-thing" that should not be...
In the previous games, it was said that a genophage cure would take years to develop. And there it was anyway.
Since a cure for Thane and other means to allow him to live (like the transplant) were mentioned, it's a shame we simply didn't get a choice on that matter.

[Renmiri1]

Jamie9 wrote...

I, for one, liked that Thane dies no matter what. Sure, he should have had more content (especially if he's your LI), but it was clearly stated in ME2 that he would die.

It was touching.

Genophage was also clearly stated as impossible to cure. Quarians back to their homeworld ? Impossible. Solo a Reaper with a laser tag ? Beyond impossible. Surviving a citadel in cinders after it deployed the catalyst and crucible ? Impossible. The game had is share of impossible things happen. No one complained.

Besides, on ME2 he was going to die in 1 year, this was just 6 months later. He didn't die in battle, he died in a hospital bed and FemShep wasn't even able to cry or say I love you, as she says to her LI during the extended cut. People who have Thane as LI get the exact same death scene as the ones who didn't.

There is no paramour achievement. No one mentions Thane's death. A parade of women try to jump in your bed after, like nothing happened. Is like Thane never existed. 

On ME2 Kaidan is a jerk on Horizon and everyone asks Femshep if she is allright after that. On ME3 her LI dies and no one asks a thing.

Femshep players only have heterosexual LI on ME3 if they were sensible enough to play ME1 or ME2 and picked the "right" guy. Otherwise you are stuck with girl on girl romance, which is thrown at you whether you want it or not. I'm not kidding, Liara and Aylers pretty much stalk FemShep on ME3. It adds insult to injury after Thane's death! 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 27 juin 2012 - 03:08 .

[Julia_xo]

zherok wrote...
Let's use another word for his disease, as an example. Let's say a character was in the advanced stages of cancer, and went through a similar ordeal just before sucumbing to it. Wouldn't suddenly curing cancer at that stage be pretty convenient just to save that character? Pretty sure there's a lot of work going into curing cancer too. Doesn't mean that cures miraculously occur whenever someone important needs it.

*cough* Genophage cure *cough* It was also stated in ME2 that even with Maelon's data the cure would be years away. Yet a few months later in ME3 when Shepard needs it to broker a deal between the Krogan and Turians it's suddenly able to be done in a few weeks. Things conveniantly changed with the introduction of Eve and it all conveniantly happened when "important characters" needed it most for plot purposes.

Nice! <_<

Well, we know the Hanar have been working on a cure for Kepral's well before Shepard even meets Thane. Thane does state in ME2 that he doesn't think it will bear fruit in time to be of help to him but just because that's what he thinks doesn't mean it won't happen.

It's like Mordin saying the Genophage cure was "years away" but as happened in ME3. Things change.

And even ignoring a cure all together Thane had ANOTHER option to extend his life presented by BioWare themselves. His medical report stated he was eligible for a lung transplant. It WAS a perfectly viable option which was ignored. He could have easily had the transplant done during the 6 month period Shepard was incarcerated so when we meet him in the hospital he could have been recovering from that. Not on death's door.

BioWare just chose to railroad everyone into a single, forced outcome REGARDLESS of how they interacted with the character. That's problematic because by doing this they discarded Thane's character development. If romanced/loyal he had a new will to live. That was ignored.

So how is that good writing? How is that being true to the character or the fans who care about him?

Hint: It's not!

All we want is a choice. We do not want to be forced into an outcome we do not want. For people who think Thane should die they can keep that option. However, I want an option to allow him to live in MY game.

In a game where space magic runs rampant, no one can tell me Thane can't be saved or helped. The options are there. BioWare just need to give fans a choice.

Modifié par Julia_xo, 27 juin 2012 - 03:46 .

[Cosmochyck]

Wahukeza wrote...

Transairion wrote...

Introduce character that is going to die, and who repeatedly mentions they're at peace with dying. Said character makes a nobel sacrifice, and dies from wounds.

Seriously, wtf logic buddy. Thane was planned to die since his recruitment mission, he mentions how he's gonna die across two whole games, and you're upset that Bioware killed him? Doesn't matter if there's a cure, since Thane refused to be put on the lung-transplant waiting list (so he had a chance, rejected it cause he's at peace with it already).

He's okay with dying. Clearly you weren't ok with him dying but, hey, it's not exactly your choice right? The guy who was gonna die, died (big shock). Just accept that beautiful prayer Thane and Koylat gave to you and be at peace with it.


But yeah, no Thane DLC. Thane's about the least problematic thing that needs a DLC right now.

That's all fine and well when he isn't romanced - but if he is romanced, he's no longer at peace with death at all. He's frightened by it. And yet he reacts exactly the same to a romanced Shepard in ME3 as he would to a non-romanced one.

Now, though I'm a Thanemancer I fully expected him to die in ME3. I would have liked a cure, of course (especially considering the foreshadowing for it) but I knew that he was just waiting for a blaze of glory scene. It's just how that was handled which bothers me. You get one crappy conversation with him beforehand, and all you can talk about is his illness. The one bone thrown for him as an LI is a brief and awkward public makeout session. He's made a complete reversal from romanced ME2 Thane. In addition, the canon for his illness seems to have been drastically changed from game to game in an attempt to justify his death.

Then you've got the coup scene itself. As dumb as it is, even if you ignore the fact that Shepard and pals don't do anything the fight still doesn't make sense. Why didn't Thane just shoot Kai as soon as he had the gun to his head? It could have been over before it started - sure, that wouldn't have been terribly entertaining, but then why show that in the first place? If Thane still had the assassin skills to sneak up on Kai without anyone realising, surely his brain would still function enough to pull the trigger as soon as he arrived. Then you've got the manner of his death. Running towards a man with a big sword while firing a gun at point blank range - and no bullets hit? Come on!

And then you've got a romanced Shepard reacting to her boyfriend being impaled with nothing more than a "how bad is it" and then running off. Shepard looking bored as he dies. Or Garrus mentioning that he's glad nobody got killed at at the coup. And no squadmates mentioning Thane at all. Yes, there's stabbing Kai - and I'll admit, it was immensely satisfying hearing Shep do that for Thane. But as great a moment as that was, after everything else it felt like too little, too late. To top it all off, no Paramour achievement. Maybe there should have been a You should have chosen Garrus or Kaidan instead, stupid! trophy, because that's kind of what it felt like.

Thane's death could have been a great moment for the game, even for those who romanced him. Yet the mimimum interraction with him beforehand, the holes in the fight scene and the lack of acknowledgment of his death just made the whole thing feel... well, weak. I'm not suggesting an entire Thane DLC be made, but if there's any sort of romance/ME2 character improvement DLC in the works, I hope there's a helluva lot of Thane in it.

That said, if there was a DLC based on curing Keprals pre-coup, it'd be a fantastic opportunity to expand upon races and planets we know little about. An excuse to visit Kahje and talk to more hanar and drell, and if you're of the belief that curing Keprals is still too ridiculous in a game where the genophage is cured, the Geth and Quarians gain peace and a wild spacekid appears, then there could just as well be an option to sabotage the cure. Perhaps there could be a mission on a Fallout-esque Rakhana, too. Too much potential to pass up.

I know that you've heard these arguments before, but they still stand. Those who romanced Thane were treated like dirt in ME3.

The Not So Illusive Man wrote...

DineBoo wrote...

So
yes people knew he was going to die, just not so darn early. in the
game. The fact that he is the only LI to die, and it only happens to
femShep, is irritating.

Miranda, Tali, Samara (if you count her) and Cortez can all die.

Those are all preventable deaths.

ALL OF THIS.  People would like choice - and it doesn't need to be a choice without consequence, but choice nonetheless.  If you want him to die, let him.  The ability to cure or prolong his life for a romanced FemShep would be fantastic (especially since she really gets screwed (or not!) in the romance dept in ME3), and I like the idea of exploring more worlds etc. in a DLC.  This has WIN written all over it. 

As for "falling" for a terminally ill character and that is the impact - really?  We can cure the genophage, bring a person back from the dead, but we can't even prolong his life?  Ruins the impact?  UNLIKELY. 

And for the record - Nightwing would like his costume back, Kai Leng.  Lamest. Assassin. Ever. 

[Myaku1313]

IMO his death was done beautifully. He already said he was going to die. He already said he didn't want to do anything to extend his life anymore. He accepted it. Even when he admits his moment of weakness he still afterwards says he has accepted his death. The only thing that concerns Thane is your fate which is why even on his death bed he prays for you/has you pray for you. The writers didn't kill his romance or anything with his death.

Asking for char specific dlc would mean that Thanemancers, Kaidanites, The Ashley people, Cortez fans, Jacob lovers, Garrus 's, Jack dysfunctional yet functional romances and every other romance in the game would need to have separate dlc done for them that allow you some sort of extended closure to what was already given. Thane died happy and with the people he cared /loved if you romanced him. ^o^/

[RShara]

Cosmochyck wrote...

Wahukeza wrote...

Transairion wrote...

Introduce character that is going to die, and who repeatedly mentions they're at peace with dying. Said character makes a nobel sacrifice, and dies from wounds.

Seriously, wtf logic buddy. Thane was planned to die since his recruitment mission, he mentions how he's gonna die across two whole games, and you're upset that Bioware killed him? Doesn't matter if there's a cure, since Thane refused to be put on the lung-transplant waiting list (so he had a chance, rejected it cause he's at peace with it already).

He's okay with dying. Clearly you weren't ok with him dying but, hey, it's not exactly your choice right? The guy who was gonna die, died (big shock). Just accept that beautiful prayer Thane and Koylat gave to you and be at peace with it.


But yeah, no Thane DLC. Thane's about the least problematic thing that needs a DLC right now.

That's all fine and well when he isn't romanced - but if he is romanced, he's no longer at peace with death at all. He's frightened by it. And yet he reacts exactly the same to a romanced Shepard in ME3 as he would to a non-romanced one.

Now, though I'm a Thanemancer I fully expected him to die in ME3. I would have liked a cure, of course (especially considering the foreshadowing for it) but I knew that he was just waiting for a blaze of glory scene. It's just how that was handled which bothers me. You get one crappy conversation with him beforehand, and all you can talk about is his illness. The one bone thrown for him as an LI is a brief and awkward public makeout session. He's made a complete reversal from romanced ME2 Thane. In addition, the canon for his illness seems to have been drastically changed from game to game in an attempt to justify his death.

Then you've got the coup scene itself. As dumb as it is, even if you ignore the fact that Shepard and pals don't do anything the fight still doesn't make sense. Why didn't Thane just shoot Kai as soon as he had the gun to his head? It could have been over before it started - sure, that wouldn't have been terribly entertaining, but then why show that in the first place? If Thane still had the assassin skills to sneak up on Kai without anyone realising, surely his brain would still function enough to pull the trigger as soon as he arrived. Then you've got the manner of his death. Running towards a man with a big sword while firing a gun at point blank range - and no bullets hit? Come on!

And then you've got a romanced Shepard reacting to her boyfriend being impaled with nothing more than a "how bad is it" and then running off. Shepard looking bored as he dies. Or Garrus mentioning that he's glad nobody got killed at at the coup. And no squadmates mentioning Thane at all. Yes, there's stabbing Kai - and I'll admit, it was immensely satisfying hearing Shep do that for Thane. But as great a moment as that was, after everything else it felt like too little, too late. To top it all off, no Paramour achievement. Maybe there should have been a You should have chosen Garrus or Kaidan instead, stupid! trophy, because that's kind of what it felt like.

Thane's death could have been a great moment for the game, even for those who romanced him. Yet the mimimum interraction with him beforehand, the holes in the fight scene and the lack of acknowledgment of his death just made the whole thing feel... well, weak. I'm not suggesting an entire Thane DLC be made, but if there's any sort of romance/ME2 character improvement DLC in the works, I hope there's a helluva lot of Thane in it.

That said, if there was a DLC based on curing Keprals pre-coup, it'd be a fantastic opportunity to expand upon races and planets we know little about. An excuse to visit Kahje and talk to more hanar and drell, and if you're of the belief that curing Keprals is still too ridiculous in a game where the genophage is cured, the Geth and Quarians gain peace and a wild spacekid appears, then there could just as well be an option to sabotage the cure. Perhaps there could be a mission on a Fallout-esque Rakhana, too. Too much potential to pass up.

I know that you've heard these arguments before, but they still stand. Those who romanced Thane were treated like dirt in ME3.

The Not So Illusive Man wrote...

DineBoo wrote...

So
yes people knew he was going to die, just not so darn early. in the
game. The fact that he is the only LI to die, and it only happens to
femShep, is irritating.

Miranda, Tali, Samara (if you count her) and Cortez can all die.

Those are all preventable deaths.

ALL OF THIS.  People would like choice - and it doesn't need to be a choice without consequence, but choice nonetheless.  If you want him to die, let him.  The ability to cure or prolong his life for a romanced FemShep would be fantastic (especially since she really gets screwed (or not!) in the romance dept in ME3), and I like the idea of exploring more worlds etc. in a DLC.  This has WIN written all over it. 

As for "falling" for a terminally ill character and that is the impact - really?  We can cure the genophage, bring a person back from the dead, but we can't even prolong his life?  Ruins the impact?  UNLIKELY. 

And for the record - Nightwing would like his costume back, Kai Leng.  Lamest. Assassin. Ever. 

Quoted for truth.  Please read this before repeating the same misconceptions over and over again.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Thane is dead.

[Julia_xo]

DinoSteve wrote...

Thane is dead.

So was Shepard.

Your point?

The DLC could be activated before the Citadel Coup to give players an option to save him.

[JBPBRC]

Mass Effect: Drell Revolution.

[Helios969]

DinoSteve wrote...

Thane is dead.

Project Lazarus II...no wait, Mass Effect: Project Lazarus - bring back your favorite dead player.

[rem84]

Agreed, Miranda and Thane are my favorite characters and i'm displeased with how both of their stories got handled in ME3. They deserved better, especially Thane. And his death was done really badly. I'm hoping we will get Thane single player dlc, i'm beyond bored playing as a human. Thane has more potential then any other character, the best assassin in the universe. He even had different methods of assassination of various races.
It also wouldn't hurt Bioware to put in some new drell characters in the multiplayer.

[Julia_xo]

Myaku1313 wrote...

IMO his death was done beautifully. He already said he was going to die. He already said he didn't want to do anything to extend his life anymore. He accepted it. Even when he admits his moment of weakness he still afterwards says he has accepted his death. The only thing that concerns Thane is your fate which is why even on his death bed he prays for you/has you pray for you. The writers didn't kill his romance or anything with his death.

His death was not done "beautifully". It was an afterthought just as the character was treated as an afterthought by the writers in ME3.

He never said he didn't want to do anything to extend his life. We were never given a reason for why the lung transplant was refused. There was never any opportunity to ask. But the fact was that the climax of his romance scene in ME2 was him admitting that he was scared to die and it's because he had things worth living for (his son, Shepard).

'I consider my body's death, and a chill settles in my gut. I am
afraid, and it shames me.'

To simply ignore that development like they did is detrimental to the character and frankly makes no sense. ME3 Thane did not feel like the Thane we got to know in ME2.

The romance was destroyed. Thane went from saying "any time I have is yours to take" to "we always knew it would end".

Even his LotSB letter which was recycled in ME3 contradicts ME3 Thane's words in the hospital: "my heart quickened it's sluggish beat if only to remain by your side and protect you with everything that I am" to "if I know you, you will want to fight the Reapers somehow. You need the best at your side. I'm not at mine"

And even if Shepard points out he doesn't need to fight. He still gives some lame, half-assed excuse that breaks established character.

It's like after the original writer left, whoever took over just could NOT keep the character consistent. Or maybe they never bothered to understand Thane's ME2 development.

Also, I find it insulting that even though his death is forced Shepard is never given an option to express any feelings or emotion over it. That is terrible writing. When the man you love is dying it stands to reason you will tell him you love him and show some emotion. That never happens.

His death is pretty much the same whether you romanced him or not.

It's just bad writing all around. Even Thane getting stabbed by Kai Leng was nonsensical. Since there were three heavily armed people at hand to help him fight Leng off. Yet they just stood on the sidelines while Thane decides to jump onto Kai Leng's sword, despite having a gun.

My mind boggles at how badly Thane's character was handled in ME3.

[Renmiri1]

I look at all the EC threads and see people begging for a reunion of Sheppard with his mates and with Tali, Liara, or whoever he/she had as LI.  Like here among other threads  http://social.biowar...ndex/12805362/1 

But we Thanemancers can have no reunion.

Thane had a son, he was worried about. A son he abandoned before and regretted it bitterly since. His ME3 writer might have made him say he was at peace, but the Thane we saw on ME2 would not give up on his son and on his Siha.

To me Thane's death is simple: EA or BW management realized they had too many squadmates and had to cut their number by 4, the 4 they added in ME3. Thane was the chump that was easiest to kill since "he was dying anyway".

Modifié par Renmiri1, 27 juin 2012 - 05:20 .

[Malditor]

Thane had already outlived his expected time by quite a bit. Giving him a last swansong in ME3 was nice because I actually expected to find that he had died between ME2 time and ME3. It would have been interesting had he lived long enough to be part of the synthesis ending and then not died though.

[Renmiri1]

Malditor wrote...

Thane had already outlived his expected time by quite a bit. Giving him a last swansong in ME3 was nice because I actually expected to find that he had died between ME2 time and ME3. It would have been interesting had he lived long enough to be part of the synthesis ending and then not died though.

Nope.. He says 12 months on ME2 and that is only 6 months later.

What you heard was the ME3 writer retconning it to make Thane be near death 9 months ago,  before he even joined Sheppard on ME2. Which would make him totally useless and "not at his best".

And ya a synthesis ending that cured Thane would be awesome. Even as creepy as synthesis is I'd pick that 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 27 juin 2012 - 05:20 .

[wildannie]

TullyAckland wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Well if BW don't want to make steps to provide an option to let Thane live, than both BW and EA can say goodbye to ever getting a cent of my money EVER AGAIN!!

Player choice is important, but we also believe those choices are only meaningful when part of a storyline that bears some reality or truth. With Thane, the player faced the experience of developing a bond with a character that had a terminal disease. We felt it would have trivialized Thane’s experience, and the value of that kind of storyline, if the player was able to simply “solve” his problem and let him live happily ever after.


Also, moved this to spoiler

So Tully,

Are you stating that there is no chance of any option to save thane will ever appear as part of any future DLC?  Because there's a lot of us who would appreciate a categorical statement on this.  

I personally found BWs approach to Thane to have been incredibly distasteful, those who were not particular fans maybe didn't notice the promotions run by BioWare on facebook and twitter promoting hope for a cure, and the pictures they posted of the campaign banner that was put together by fans.  Bioware trolled us, it was unkind and bad business.

I find it patronizing that you seem to be comparing the experience with real life in any way 'the player faced the experience of developing a bond with a character that had terminal illness' ... seriously?  are you trying to teach some life lessons here?  That is not the reason Thane never got a cure, it was because he didn't win the popularity contest, I know that and so do you.  I am so sick of reading the 'cheapening character' card, it carries about as much weight with me as the 'artistic integrity' card... it's the same card and it is total nonsense.

People play games to have fun and escape, some like tragedy, some don't, Mass Effect was full of impossibilites and was built on our choices so expecting a choice here was hardly left field.  You ask for emotional investment but are very careless with it when it is given.  The Mass Effect team Knew that killing Thane would be very upsetting for some of the fans but carried on regardless, knowing that the majority of fans (who romanced Tali or Liara etc) would find it 'awesome'.  

Any argument that much effort was put into Thane's storyline falls flat, his romance gives no acheivement, none of the crew give a ****, he has no codex entry and branching character development from ME2 is essentially ignored.  Thane died because BW decided they didn't want to spend money giving him any alternatives, same goes for Jacob cheating.  ME3 was a big popularity contest and if you were a women player you were far more likely to lose out than if you were a guy

Bioware made absolutely zero effort to accommodate the choices of fans who didn't take the more obvious route, that is not an opinoin, that is a painfully blatant fact.

[coldwetn0se]

@Julia (and many, many others) - Very well said. Story DLC with more content in general for all ME2 characters, and an option to extend Thane's life. The mechanics are already built in to the gameplay, considering that if you don't talk to Thane before the Coup, either Kirahee or the Councilor dies from Kai Leng. Thane not being at that fight, if loyal, makes much more sense anyway. Why? Because his son is on the Citadel. He should have been running to find his son; protect him. His involvement in the Coup feels like nothing more than needing to find a place to put an ME2 exsquaddie, in the action.

Thane is one of the only true representatives that we have of an ENTIRE race (Drells), and the Drell's connection with the Hanar gives us even more insight into them. So we have fascinating material to work with. And let us not forget, any medical aide we find for Thane, would also be a big help for the entire Drell race. Kepral's is the leading cause of death, and they are of fewer numbers as it is, because of what happened on their homeworld. If anything was found (hello Eupulmos Device) that could extend the life of Thane, this could consequently be used on other Drells on Kajhee. That actually would have been a much better side quest than the Kasumi sidequest that gains you Hanar and Drell war assets. (oh, and that's not a dig on Kasumi....love that gal!)

Bottom line is this; I think most that really love Thane's character just wanted a choice, and I for one will not change my mind on what I want. Does that mean I will get it? Doubtful. But in a "wishing for "specific" DLC thread", it is completely reasonable for us to put forth why we would like this. Come on BW, give me a reason to put this game back in my console, instead of sitting on my shelf since March 7th (yup) collecting dust. And if you need more ideas for DLC; give Miranda a Cerberus specific mission with Shep and Co., bring Samara back for more dishing out the "justice" (and let Shep have his/her kiss for crying out loud...I know my Abel Shepard would appreciate it), let us work directly with Jack on some Biotic smack-down, let's do some headbutting with Grunt, have Kasumi's greybox mean more than some file entry (there could easily be more secrets to uncover...), employ Zaeed to help retake Omega for Aria while dispatching Veedo once and for all.....ya want more??? I'm here all week!

[Renmiri1]

Painful truth is that there are way too many squad mates. After ME2 they added Kasumi and Zaeed, then on ME3 they added Kaidan back, and EDI, James and Javik.

They don't all fit on the Normandy, nor it is cheap to make a squad selection screen with all those people. Some squaddies had to die. Thane just got the short end of the stick.

Artistic integrity my ... drell lung

[Renmiri1]

PS: And about not wanting the experience trivialized...

Thane's death was treated as a trivial occurrence by every single NPC, including Bayley, who sent Sheppard to the hospital. Did he say anything after Thane's deat about it ? Nope, it was TOO TRIVIAL to mention. Same for Joker, Liara, Garrus, etc.. Move along, nothing to see here folks, TOO TRIVIAL to even merit a single line of dialog.

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Modifié par Renmiri1, 27 juin 2012 - 06:25 .