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[earendil87]

Myaku1313 wrote...

I am not talking about his dossier. I am talking about Thane himself.  He verbally says it.  It starts with you checking to see if there is anything that can be done about his health when you recruit him. It turns into a discussion about the Normandy med bay which then he starts talking about Hanar and medical advancements.  He made it pretty clear.

So do you honestly think that a person that cries because he is afraid of death wouldn't consider the transplant or the implants that Bioware talked about? That wasn't in ME2 but it should have happened between ME2 and ME3, don't you think? If you were terminally ill but you had a few shots of doing something what would you do?

[Myaku1313]

Yeah I played the same game. I just seem to pay more attention to detail. The only thing I am saying is the character accepted his death. Fans should as well. They set it up where he was going to die, you knew he was going to die. For those that want to use LoTSB then Liara if you cheated on her even states he is dying. Are you trying to also replace his dead wife.

Wanted a dlc for him to live is all well and dandy but it isn't going to happen. If that were to happen then every other romantic interest would also have to have a dlc to accommodate what they want to have happened. Realistically it just isn't going to happen. Be happy they didn't decide to off him offscreen and have you working with his son for the duration of the game.

The game was supposed to be bittersweet. Not happy ending lets all go have ice cream.

I spoke my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. End~

[earendil87]

Myaku1313 wrote...

Yeah I played the same game. I just seem to pay more attention to detail. The only thing I am saying is the character accepted his death. Fans should as well. They set it up where he was going to die, you knew he was going to die. For those that want to use LoTSB then Liara if you cheated on her even states he is dying. Are you trying to also replace his dead wife.

Wanted a dlc for him to live is all well and dandy but it isn't going to happen. If that were to happen then every other romantic interest would also have to have a dlc to accommodate what they want to have happened. Realistically it just isn't going to happen. Be happy they didn't decide to off him offscreen and have you working with his son for the duration of the game.

The game was supposed to be bittersweet. Not happy ending lets all go have ice cream.

I spoke my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. End~

OMG, again? if romanced he is not at peace with his death! if he doesn't accept it why should we?

And there's no need for a Thane DLC, we all know that's never going to happen. But with a couple more of dialogues and scenes they could fix everything and include it with another DLC.

[cogsandcurls]

Supporting this. Thane's character development in his romanced state is broken, and NOT because he took a sword to the gut. It was a problem before the coup in what little interaction we had with him, it was a problem afterwards when everybody including Shepard decided not to ever grieve or mention him ever again, save some taunting bits with Leng. Garrus's memorial wall conversation and datapad message after the coup are especially heinous.

You know, there was one thing about the EC I was unreasonably pleased about but for all the wrong reasons. The flashbacks got fixed, and I got Thane as Shep's last thought. But I wasn't pleased because the flashbacks were working properly, I was pleased by the realisation that my romance flag was actually still active. There's nothing for his romance in the second half of the game and I had half-wondered if the game was just coded to set the romance flag back to false the moment he died. The fact that I didn't know if the game was actually keeping track of my decisions is Not A Good Thing.

[Renmiri1]

Wow Thane's death was so awesome! He dies in battle.. NOT.. and he isn't chained to a hospital bed unable to breath.. Except when you meet him is all he talks about.

Such awesomeness, no ? He didn't want to die chained to a bed unable to breathe. and that is exactly how he dies.

And after he dies, then it is much more AWESOME.

Not a single person remebers his name. Captn. Bayley who saw him save the embassador and knows he is a friend of Sheppard ? Nope, not a single mention. Kaidan / Ashley who met him at the hospital ? Nope, good riddance for the green f***er! Garrus and Tali who fought side by side with im on ME2 ? Nope, not a word. Joker ? He knows Sheppard well enough to know she was hurting aftar Kaidan dissed her on Horizon. But not well enough to realize Sheppard just lost a good friend and a LI.

The only mention of Thane is reserved to the man who killed Thane.

Why it is awesomeness personified.

Oh Wow maybe we should extend that awesomness to Liara, Tali and all other characters. No talk to them before they die but to hear about illness. Not a single word after they die. Not a single word DURING their death. Sheppard is forced to run after Kai Leng without even saying F***k off to Thane. Niice awesome death that one!

[wildannie]

Myaku1313 wrote...

Yeah I played the same game. I just seem to pay more attention to detail. The only thing I am saying is the character accepted his death. Fans should as well. They set it up where he was going to die, you knew he was going to die. For those that want to use LoTSB then Liara if you cheated on her even states he is dying. Are you trying to also replace his dead wife.

Wanted a dlc for him to live is all well and dandy but it isn't going to happen. If that were to happen then every other romantic interest would also have to have a dlc to accommodate what they want to have happened. Realistically it just isn't going to happen. Be happy they didn't decide to off him offscreen and have you working with his son for the duration of the game.

The game was supposed to be bittersweet. Not happy ending lets all go have ice cream.

I spoke my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. End~

okay... but you're opinion, in this case is not based on actual in game facts.  If Thane's death was going to be shoved down our throats without any chance to save him she should not have been a LI or at the very least they should have killed him in ME2.

[Myaku1313]

Whatev's his ending is fine as stands. QQ moar! ^o^/

[RShara]

wildannie wrote...

Myaku1313 wrote...

Yeah I played the same game. I just seem to pay more attention to detail. The only thing I am saying is the character accepted his death. Fans should as well. They set it up where he was going to die, you knew he was going to die. For those that want to use LoTSB then Liara if you cheated on her even states he is dying. Are you trying to also replace his dead wife.

Wanted a dlc for him to live is all well and dandy but it isn't going to happen. If that were to happen then every other romantic interest would also have to have a dlc to accommodate what they want to have happened. Realistically it just isn't going to happen. Be happy they didn't decide to off him offscreen and have you working with his son for the duration of the game.

The game was supposed to be bittersweet. Not happy ending lets all go have ice cream.

I spoke my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. End~

okay... but you're opinion, in this case is not based on actual in game facts.  If Thane's death was going to be shoved down our throats without any chance to save him she should not have been a LI or at the very least they should have killed him in ME2.

I was going to stay out of this thread but I just have to answer this.





Direct proof Thane is NOT "ready for death" if you romance him.

Modifié par RShara, 27 juin 2012 - 09:36 .

[Renmiri1]

Myaku1313 wrote...

Whatev's his ending is fine as stands. QQ moar! ^o^/

Interesting.. Just looked at teh Kaidan thread at how happy you are at the possibility of a reunion bethween him and your Sheppard. what happened to bittersweet endings ?

Just for us dumb ones who romanced the wrong guy I gather 

[wildannie]

Myaku1313 wrote...

Whatev's his ending is fine as stands. QQ moar! ^o^/

lol how cute, I love seeing you're true colours.

[DrowNoble]

FbangIncentinveX wrote...

In a game that's all about changing things, Thane shouldn't be forced to go under any circumstances.

Normally I'd agree but we knew in ME2 he was terminally ill.  He's sicker in here but still beat down Illusive Man's lapdog.  A good way to go I would say.

Course now that we have EC version.  I want to know why my squad left me to rot in the rubble.  I saw Shep take a breath, yet no one came back to look for me?  Really Bioware?  

[ediskrad327]

his death was very well handled, though i wish he got more screen time

[RShara]

Are people just reading the title and replying without even reading page 1?

Modifié par RShara, 27 juin 2012 - 09:44 .

[Renmiri1]

Artistic Integrity, Sheppard has an awesome death, don't cheapen it / trivialize it by wanting him to live and reunite with his / her friends and LI.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander, right ? Let's all have artsy bittersweet endings of awesomness. And be damn glad we got any ending at all, BW could have decided to launch a pokemon game instead of ME3.

Those are the arguments we Thanemancers hear all the time. Just thought I'd share them in another context so you see how empty and boneheaded they are.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 27 juin 2012 - 09:45 .

[Megachaz]

No. Thane was great. No need to change it. The fight scene was a little wonk with Shep just standing there. They should have made it so he was cut off from him, but besides that, it was perfect.

[Versus Omnibus]

TullyAckland wrote...



Player choice is important, but we also believe those choices are only meaningful when part of a storyline that bears some reality or truth. With Thane, the player faced the experience of developing a bond with a character that had a terminal disease. We felt it would have trivialized Thane’s experience, and the value of that kind of storyline, if the player was able to simply “solve” his problem and let him live happily ever after.


Also, moved this to spoiler forum.

So we can't save Thane or help him against Kai Leng because you thought it was trivial?

[Renmiri1]

ediskrad327 wrote...

his death was very well handled, though i wish he got more screen time

He "died as a hero" but heros get mentioned. And remebered. and honored. He got none of it.  

So the fact that his death "as a hero" got no mention whatsoever by any NPC is well handled ? That Garrus talks about the fallen and forgets to mention the guy who covered his back on ME2, is well handled ? Riiight

[earendil87]

Okay, nobody's reading anything and just posting whatever they want. I'm out of here, this is nonsense... I just hope that TullyAckland or someone from Bioware is reading this and can give us a real opinion based on what we're talking about...

[Julia_xo]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Artistic Integrity, Sheppard has an awesome death, don't cheapen it / trivialize it by wanting him to live and reunite with his / her friends and LI.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander, right ? Let's all have artsy bittersweet endings of awesomness. And be damn glad we got any ending at all, BW could have decided to launch a pokemon game instead of ME3.

Those are the arguments we Thanemancers hear all the time. Just thought I'd share them in another context so you see how empty and boneheaded they are.

Well said. I'm continually amazed at people who want to take choices away from others in a game that is supposed to be about choice and the ability to shape our own story.

Does the fact that Mordin can live take away from his story arc or that fact that he can die to cure the Genophage? I never heard a single complaint. Same with a host of other characters Shepard can save or let die.

Why should Thane's story only have a single outcome? Especially since his outlook can be changed by interacting with the pc and he has options available to him. It's unacceptable that the writers ignored Thane's previous character development in order to force his death.

Why are some people willing to overlook that? Oh wait.... because it doesn't affect them and they likely don't care about the character either way. It's the romancers that have to put up with a broken storyline and we're expected to be happy about it and just accept it. Yet if the shoe was on the other foot, the people telling us to 'get over it" would likely be arguing just as much if this was about a character they actually gave a damn about.

[spamhead80]

Myaku1313 wrote...

Yeah I played the same game. I just seem to pay more attention to detail. The only thing I am saying is the character accepted his death. Fans should as well. They set it up where he was going to die, you knew he was going to die. For those that want to use LoTSB then Liara if you cheated on her even states he is dying. Are you trying to also replace his dead wife.

Wanted a dlc for him to live is all well and dandy but it isn't going to happen. If that were to happen then every other romantic interest would also have to have a dlc to accommodate what they want to have happened. Realistically it just isn't going to happen. Be happy they didn't decide to off him offscreen and have you working with his son for the duration of the game.

The game was supposed to be bittersweet. Not happy ending lets all go have ice cream.

I spoke my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. End~

I'm glad that there are people like you around, Myaku1313, to tell me how I should feel about things as a fan of the game. It is entirely possible that those of us who "paid attention to detail"  are less than satisified with Thane's character arc in the game, as well as less than satisified with how the romance as a whole was treated.  It is especially noticable when other romances seemingly got preferential treatment (not a knock on Garrus/Kaidan fans here, as they deserve a decent storyline as well). 

If this were a moddable game, like Dragon Age for example, there would be much less dissatisfaction expressed here as someone would just mod a better storyline for Thane. As it is, this is the only viable avenue for expressing discontent and/or suggestions for improvement. As everyone is generally civil in expressing their opinions, I don't see what your issue is with it.

Modifié par spamhead80, 27 juin 2012 - 10:08 .

[DashRunner92]

wildannie wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

btw, who wrote thane in ME?

From a romanced Thane who didn't want to die to a Thane that accepts death is jus like, WTF?

Did the writer know how the character was?

As far as I'm aware noone has owned up to Thane yet and I think that speaks volumes... they managed to write him in a way that appeals to his haters more than his fans (especially those who followed the romance path)... good job!<_<
I do know that it wasn't patrick weekes... 

Haters? Who hated Thane? He was generally liked by everyone. He was a bad-ass assassin. 

Modifié par DashRunner92, 27 juin 2012 - 10:19 .

[Renmiri1]

TullyAckland wrote...

I said this elsewhere but I'll crosspost and put it here also: 

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

• Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run. 
  
• When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character. 
  
• A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall. 
  
• You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

How nice for those who don't have a "trivial" LI. 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 27 juin 2012 - 10:41 .

[warlock22]

Vlk3 wrote...

Oh, what about Garrus or Tali? They could die in ME2 too.

And why do you want us to stop? Would any ME2 squad member DLC related hurt you?

I can't change your mind on Thane's death. Think what you want, but please don't try so hard to destroy all hope for us.

Anyway, I think I'm done here, Seeing how generous and empathic some of you are...

Still wish you never get same treatment from others as we got. I support better treatment of other romances too. At least someone can end up satisfied.

Agreed. I wanted Samara back as a full LI as promised but they gave us nothing.

[Seifer006]

Mass Effect 3’s next downloadable story content may focus on a Reaper named Leviathan.Leviathan is a name fans might recognize. The Reaper has been mentioned before by returning character Balak, a Batarian who first appeared in the original Mass Effect's Bring Down the Sky expansion and later made a brief appearance in Mass Effect 3