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[Ghost]

mauro2222 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

It is highly polished. The ending was not a problem of polish; given 3 more months we would have still gotten Control/Destroy/Synthesis and a lack of closure because BioWare wanted mass speculation. 34 hours gone up in smoke.

From the PS3 side of things, ME3 was way more polished than PS3 ME2. 80% of my cutscenes in ME2 have unsynched audio which was made worse with a patch to shorten the horrendous load times. Oh, and a freezing glitch completely erased my second playthrough right before I was ready for the Suicide Mission.

Journal doesn't work, importing characters doesn't work, heads doing a 360, shadows glitch, PS3 with low framerates, locked dialogues due to glitchs, poor animations, horrible transitions of animations...

The fact that you can't import your character is proof enough of how polished it was.

Most of the things you listed happen in PS3 ME2 as well as the other versions.

[mauro2222]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Most of the things you listed happen in PS3 ME2 as well as the other versions.

And that makes ME3 a polished game? It sounds like they don't fix anything.

Modifié par mauro2222, 08 juillet 2012 - 04:16 .

[Ghost]

mauro2222 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Most of the things you listed happen in PS3 ME2 as well as the other versions.

And that makes ME3 a polished game? It sounds like they don't fix anything.

Compared to ME2 and recent RPGS it is a lot more polished.

Modifié par Ghost1017, 08 juillet 2012 - 04:19 .

[Ghost]

CronoDragoon wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Journal doesn't work, importing characters doesn't work, heads doing a 360, shadows glitch, PS3 with low framerates, locked dialogues due to glitchs, poor animations, horrible transitions of animations...

The fact that you can't import your character is proof enough of how polished it was.

By "journal doesn't work" do you mean that it doesn't update its text? Who cares about the journal, anyway? The map tells you everything you need for quests.

I did hear about the importing custom faces problem. I don't use custom faces so I didn't have to deal with it, but from what I can tell that was a big deal.

The only problem I saw with Exorcist heads was when Shepard was following Glyph while talking to Liara. Not a big deal for me. I don't even know what this shadows glitch is.

The framerate on PS3 is fixable yourself. Did not require a patch.

Were there other locked dialogues besides Gabby/Ken?

Hating on the animation quality? I thought the cutscenes and in-game animations looked great.

Of course, none of this can ever matched a glitch that, again, COMPLETELY ERASED YOUR CAREER IN ME2. (still mad)

I should say it was polished for a BioWare game, which is usually glitch-ridden even in the best of games (Baldur's Gate II).

Wasn't there one that corrupted your hard drive?

Modifié par Ghost1017, 08 juillet 2012 - 04:22 .

[mauro2222]

Ghost1017 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Most of the things you listed happen in PS3 ME2 as well as the other versions.

And that makes ME3 a polished game? It sounds like they don't fix anything.

Compared to ME2 and recent RPGS it is a lot more polished.

I don't see how that makes ME3 a polished game. You're just telling me that other games were not polished.

[CronoDragoon]

mauro2222 wrote...

I don't see how that makes ME3 a polished game. You're just telling me that other games were not polished.

Because "polished" is a term that is relative to other games of ME3's type.

[Slappy Ya Face]

It needs to carry the battle scars like a man.

[mauro2222]

CronoDragoon wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

I don't see how that makes ME3 a polished game. You're just telling me that other games were not polished.

Because "polished" is a term that is relative to other games of ME3's type.

Is not exclusive to action RPGs. To say that ME3 is more polished than "x" action rpg is one thing, to say that ME3 is a polished game is another.

[ld1449]

mauro2222 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

I don't see how that makes ME3 a polished game. You're just telling me that other games were not polished.

Because "polished" is a term that is relative to other games of ME3's type.

Is not exclusive to action RPGs. To say that ME3 is more polished than "x" action rpg is one thing, to say that ME3 is a polished game is another.

Kinda difficult to polish much of anything when your development time was less than half of the first installment<_<

[Ghost]

mauro2222 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Most of the things you listed happen in PS3 ME2 as well as the other versions.

And that makes ME3 a polished game? It sounds like they don't fix anything.

Compared to ME2 and recent RPGS it is a lot more polished.

I don't see how that makes ME3 a polished game. You're just telling me that other games were not polished.

I was responding to the whole "It sounds like they don't fix anything" statement you made. I agree Mass Effect 3 is not a perfectly polished game but relative to other games this year in the genre as well as other genre's  I consider ME3 to be one of the better polished games.

[CronoDragoon]

mauro2222 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

I don't see how that makes ME3 a polished game. You're just telling me that other games were not polished.

Because "polished" is a term that is relative to other games of ME3's type.

Is not exclusive to action RPGs. To say that ME3 is more polished than "x" action rpg is one thing, to say that ME3 is a polished game is another.

It's the same thing. Any time someone speaks of a polished game it has to be relative to other games of its type. Or else I could posit that Pong is the most polished game in the history of games and could never be proven wrong.

[mauro2222]

CronoDragoon wrote...

It's the same thing. Any time someone speaks of a polished game it has to be relative to other games of its type. Or else I could posit that Pong is the most polished game in the history of games and could never be proven wrong.

Of course you can, if the "ball" starts bouncing everywhere out of nowhere, then is not polished. It was released without being tested and the result is a major flaw.

[CronoDragoon]

mauro2222 wrote...

Of course you can, if the "ball" starts bouncing everywhere out of nowhere, then is not polished. It was released without being tested and the result is a major flaw.

I'm not sure if you're intentionally side-stepping my point or I am not doing a good job making it, so let me try again:

Let us assume that on the one hand, we have a game where you throw a football. The entire game is just throwing a football. It works perfectly.

We have another game where you have branching dialogue and story trees, where you fight various enemies of different types with different shielding and physics, go to different worlds and have different dialogue for each squad member, and which imports data from 2 other games in ways that influence how the current game plays out. It has ~7 noticeable bugs.

Is it fair to call the football-throwing game more polished, simply because it is much easier to program for and has almost no variables to consider compared to the second game? If you say no, then polish is always relative to comparable games, and in that respect ME3 is polished.

[Slayer299]

No. The EC didn't somehow make the rest of the game somehow more palatable, so why am I fixing the metacritic score?

[Those Protheans]

CronoDragoon wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Of course you can, if the "ball" starts bouncing everywhere out of nowhere, then is not polished. It was released without being tested and the result is a major flaw.

I'm not sure if you're intentionally side-stepping my point or I am not doing a good job making it, so let me try again:

Let us assume that on the one hand, we have a game where you throw a football. The entire game is just throwing a football. It works perfectly.

We have another game where you have branching dialogue and story trees, where you fight various enemies of different types with different shielding and physics, go to different worlds and have different dialogue for each squad member, and which imports data from 2 other games in ways that influence how the current game plays out. It has ~7 noticeable bugs.

Is it fair to call the football-throwing game more polished, simply because it is much easier to program for and has almost no variables to consider compared to the second game? If you say no, then polish is always relative to comparable games, and in that respect ME3 is polished.

Yes it is more fair as the football throwing was a game advertised to be a football throwing game and did good.
Mass effect 3 is advertised as Action RPG where your choices matter throughout the trilogy, by god if you're gonna whine about it not been fair then don't make the damn trilogy.

[mauro2222]

CronoDragoon wrote...

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I understood your point. I never denied that ME3 can look polished if we compare it to another game of the same style. I said ME3 is not a polished game, that's all. You don't need to compare to detect problems.

Modifié par mauro2222, 08 juillet 2012 - 05:34 .

[clos]

If I could lower my score any further in metacritic I would. Bioware doesn't deserve a good rating with the crap EC they gave us.

[CronoDragoon]

Those Protheans wrote...

Yes it is more fair as the football throwing was a game advertised to be a football throwing game and did good.
Mass effect 3 is advertised as Action RPG where your choices matter throughout the trilogy, by god if you're gonna whine about it not been fair then don't make the damn trilogy.

Mass Effect 3 is an Action RPG where your choices matter throughout the trilogy. Not that this has anything to do with "polish."

[Ghost]

I guess everyone is right.

[comrade gando]

I would go and give it a 10 right now if they made the ending worth a damn. I don't even want to play this game again knowing how rediculous it ends.

[Herr Igor]

Nope! Nope! Nope!

[Ghost]

Herr Igor wrote...

Nope! Nope! Nope!

Yep! Yep! Yep!

[clos]

keeveek2 wrote...

I never look up for user's score on metacritic. Scores are too low or too high because of frustrated pimple-teenagers who either give 1/10 or 10/10 , it doesn't make any sense for me.

They have only one braincell, so they function in binary mode : either 1/10 or 10/10.

Critics score shows more how this game really is.

Really? Paid advertisers are neutral institutions that are far more unbiased in their assessments than real customers? GREAT! Iet me go buy those beers, I'll totally get all the hot chicks chilling out at the beach with me because I bought a Corona.

I'm so glad those "professional" reviewers whose only income comes from advertising that comes from the same companies whose very products they are reviewing are better to listen to than the thousands of customers who PAY their own money and review it completely based upon their satisfaction of their purchase.

Yeap. Your reasoning is sooooo sound. Keep watching those commercials...er, I mean, reviews, they'll guide your life!

[Ghost]

clos wrote...

keeveek2 wrote...

I never look up for user's score on metacritic. Scores are too low or too high because of frustrated pimple-teenagers who either give 1/10 or 10/10 , it doesn't make any sense for me.

They have only one braincell, so they function in binary mode : either 1/10 or 10/10.

Critics score shows more how this game really is.

Really? Paid advertisers are neutral institutions that are far more unbiased in their assessments than real customers? GREAT! Iet me go buy those beers, I'll totally get all the hot chicks chilling out at the beach with me because I bought a Corona.

I'm so glad those "professional" reviewers whose only income comes from advertising that comes from the same companies whose very products they are reviewing are better to listen to than the thousands of customers who PAY their own money and review it completely based upon their satisfaction of their purchase.

Yeap. Your reasoning is sooooo sound. Keep watching those commercials...er, I mean, reviews, they'll guide your life!

Metacritic=Trolls

[Those Protheans]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Those Protheans wrote...

Yes it is more fair as the football throwing was a game advertised to be a football throwing game and did good.
Mass effect 3 is advertised as Action RPG where your choices matter throughout the trilogy, by god if you're gonna whine about it not been fair then don't make the damn trilogy.

Mass Effect 3 is an Action RPG where your choices matter throughout the trilogy. Not that this has anything to do with "polish."

Considering how only some of your choices matter in minor ways it is very unpolished.
More time was needed.