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[Dak the Pious One]

While I am a huge fan of the Extended Cut, I don't think it should be fixed at all.  The original product did not come with the extended cut so that score would not be representing the original product.

[dima_che]

No, so be it.

[MoZedK]

richard_rider wrote...

MoZedK wrote...

The ending is still broken, better though but still broken.

It just doesn't belong in ME is all...score stays.

Well I tend to agree with you there. For me it looks like a different team writing the end then lets say tuchunka part, that was asome.

[jeff359]

Nope its a solid 6 or 7. That quest journal still makes me laugh when i think about it.

[Dak the Pious One]

blacqout wrote...

I hope that Mass Effect 3 retains its fairly low rating on Metacritic.

Not because i dislike the game - i absolutely loved it - but because it might show review scores for what they truly are: worthless. That a group of whiny, petulant children were able to drag such a highly polished and engaging and fun game down really does demonstrate this. 

They are well within their rights to dislike the game, but anyone that gave it less than a 5 isn't in posession of an opinion worth listening to.

One of my favourite games had its sequel cancelled because of a low Metacritic score (Alpha Protocol) so anything that discredits the concept is a good thing by me.

I agree with the Review Scores being useless, but you liked Alpha Protocol? sigh... <Puts face in plams of hands>

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

I will help bring up the average but I will not rate it 10. I really appreciate BioWare fixing the endings, and I am satisfied with the EC but the ending wasn't the only thing wrong with ME3, so the ending brought the game up, ME3 is still far from perfect and definitely not the best ME game.

[k0xfilter]

no

[BAMFIGMS]

Well, i'm going to do my part to increase the score. I mean, yes they were only responding to our pressure, but... They deserve some recognition for their efforts.

[WarBaby2]

Nope, sorry, the story is still dumb... better executed, but dumb.

[DaosX]

It deserved the review bombs and the EC was too little too late to ever redeem it. What people wanted from the EC was, to put it simply, "Get the Starchild the @#$% out of there". That was never rectified so neither will the reviews.

[blacqout]

DaosX wrote...

It deserved the review bombs and the EC was too little too late to ever redeem it. What people wanted from the EC was, to put it simply, "Get the Starchild the @#$% out of there". That was never rectified so neither will the reviews.

The epitome of whiny, self-entitlement. 

Fortunately, relatively few players were making such unreasonable demands of the extended cut. 

[TheStupidJellyFish]

No.

[The Spamming Troll]

DarkerCompanion wrote...

Wow. I forgot how much absurd ending hatred there was around here. Back to the Multiplayer boards. At least there all the trolling is about balance changes.

so difference of opinion = trolling?

you should stay in the MP forum so i dont have to read your posts in here!

also, then ending still suck, now they are just longer.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 28 juin 2012 - 01:41 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Metacritic as always said is for the most part a joke. Always has been and always will be the place trolls go to huddle up and cry over their hurt feelings. They do not need to change their score however since only the most silly of people take that site seriously in the first place It's like scrapping the bottom of the barrel to look for the most bitter and angry gamers on the internet asking them "Why you crying little baby? Whats wrong?" then getting the reply "You suck! Wahhhhh". Review bombers are like children throwing their toys out the pram (imho) and unfortuantly that is the main purpose of that site these days, that function for those children to hang out and review bomb everything for pure spite and lulz.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 28 juin 2012 - 01:54 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Most of the people who didn't like the EC are now gone here. That's why you see a lot of praise. That's how things go when BW screws up.

[Orumon]

No, because the ending was still poor. Therefore it's up to bioware to do better in the future and earn back the respect they once had. I personally doubt they'll do this, since they've got this sublime belief that they can do no wrong.

[NoSpin]

Their response to making this was "The fans couldn't let go, so we expanded the ending to help them". Not "We're sorry we really messed that up. Our fans deserve better, and we promise we will make it right."

So....no. Stop blaming the fans for their failings, and MAYBE they deserve a higher rating.

[j78]

Nope

[StElmo]

Dak the Pious One wrote...

While I am a huge fan of the Extended Cut, I don't think it should be fixed at all.  The original product did not come with the extended cut so that score would not be representing the original product.

Im not a huge fan, but apart from that this man speaks the same as me.

Modifié par StElmo, 28 juin 2012 - 04:55 .

[Grimwick]

DnVill wrote...

no. it still sucked.

This. I'm not very appreciative of the EC and I don't have to be if I'm not satisfied.

[SpamBot2000]

No.

[Alent]

Nope! still bad

[eddieoctane]

The Metacritic score deserves to remain low if only for BioWare's flaunting of "75 perfect scores!" in direct communication with the players. What's more, the EC didn't address the underlying problems with the ending, such as the sudden and total about-face in the underlying theme of the game. The EC reinforced the "robots are all evil and you deserve to die before you make them" flawed logic that the director and lead writer came up with and tried vainly to cover up a few comparatively minor inconsistencies. And instead of holding onto the "brave new world" direction the ending originally took by stranding the crew, the previously-crashed Normandy appears fine and the crew just takes off and goes back to whatever they were doing before. So BioWare ultimately compromised whatever integrity they thought they had while still leaving the fans either confused or angry, or both.

It deserves a low damn score.

[LinksOcarina]

Granted, Metacritic user scores are a foolish barometer to begin with to change, considering gamers as a community tend to follow the leader and never think for themselves, lash out with full on hate and rarely, if at all, rationally give an opinion on such things.

Anonymity does that, you know.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see user scores for all EA or BioWare games to be artificially lower than they should be, just because people have an axe to grind. So to that, I say ignore metacritic, because I know a majority of the community does.

[LinksOcarina]

NoSpin wrote...

Their response to making this was "The fans couldn't let go, so we expanded the ending to help them". Not "We're sorry we really messed that up. Our fans deserve better, and we promise we will make it right."

So....no. Stop blaming the fans for their failings, and MAYBE they deserve a higher rating.

No. 

Here is a post I made earlier in another thread, in speaking with another user.

LinksOcarina wrote...
The problem is we didn't really see that with a lot of those who were demanding changes for Mass Effect 3. That is what I find so fuzzy in this entire situation, because it feels like a majority of the community is not happy no matter what BioWare does.

IanPolaris wrote...
Well sure.  That's true, now.  The reason it's true NOW is because Bioware/EA has bungled this thing from the beginning.  In fact they bungled it from before the beginning really.  Bioware had to know that the ending was cruddy before the game even went gold.  

They HAD to know if they did any focus group testing or final editing at all.  Given some of the other indicators (like the very late change in forum rules, changing of the tone..the ending will upset some people..., etc) I think they DID know.

 However even after that, Bioware marketing continued to overhype and overpromise a product they KNEW was fatally flawed.  Worse, they did nothing to prepare themselves for the utterly predictable onslaught of angry customers.

For about 10-14 days after the public release, the reaction was one of bewilderment not hate or anger.  Most of the game was at least initially rather positively received, and the fans simply couldn't believe what they were seeing regarding the endings.  Had Bioware stepped in immediately and said, "Maybe there is something to it, give us some time and we'll try to fix it" there would have been no retake movement and no massive fan outcry.

Instead Bioware went into bunkermode and denied a problem and THAT hardened the fanbase against them.  By the time the EC announcement was made, it was far too little and far too late.  Had I been a consultant for EA at the time, I (agreeing with you oddly enough) would have advised Bioware not to do the EC...not because it was fan pandering.  I would have had harsh words for EA's early response and customer relations team on that!  Rather because it was too late to do any good and would be a waste of resources that would be better spent elsewere.  Damage done.  Lesson Learned.  Move on.

So please, don't blame the fans for Bioware's shocking lack of understanding of their own market.  That does not sit well with me.

-Polaris

LinksOcarina Wrote...


Well, I would not look at what I write, because in the end, the fans are partially to blame here in the end, just as much as BioWare and EA and everyone else involved in this entire scenario, can claim blame for the whole debacle.

You base this entire perdicment on BioWare KNOWING the ending was bad, which is pure speculation. And to be honest, considering that the ending they have was the planned ending after the Dark Energy ending was scrapped, I doubt it very much that they thought the ending was bad in any way. 

And you think they knew because of chances made on the forums here, which if you recall, was in a huge uproar over From Ashes for the month leading up to the release of Mass Effect 3. You also cite a change in tone and telling fans that the ending will upset people. The truth is most of that seems like PR stuff to begin with and should be taken with a grain of salt. 

So if BioWare made any mistake here, it was that they thought they had a winner and they were wrong. I don't fault them for making a mistake, but they still made it.

But considering for those two weeks they were silent on things, and people took it personally, I find to be stupid on the fanbases point of view. For starters, considering they work for a company, its likely they can't respond to the endings as you wanted them to. Most of the early PR was basically that, PR, with few, if any, off the cuff comments. Second, the entire decorum of the fanbase was deplorable. 

I don't care about the retake movement trying to bring order. I said a LONG time ago to people that the press won't give a damn about the Retake movement if they perceive them as a rabble. And sadly, everything that happened in that month pretty much proved it true. You had the cupcakes, the Childs Play charity, the FCC suit, things like this Bill of Rights pop up and threats of lawsuits for lying to them. The argument was not clear, because the argument was drowned out by fans giving stupid, gut reactions to the ending. It also didn't help that the Retake movement failed to get any message across, appoint an actual spokesperson or leader, and go out to the press to point out their side of the story.

I know this, because  I asked to speak to people who would be considered the leadership of the Retake movement so I can report on it. Suffice to say, I was told there is no leadership, and that we had nothing to say that wasn't out there, which frankly, was not a positive message from what I saw. 

So in the end, the fans are just as wrong here, and I have no pity for them anymore, just like I have no pity for BioWare doing what they can to fix a mess they created in the end, but going about it the wrong way. So want the truth of the matter? Both sides are wrong, and two wrongs will never make this right.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 28 juin 2012 - 05:44 .