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[Code_R]

Destroy is still genocide and is still unacceptable. Unless your Shepherd was the selfish kind I guess.

[zherok]

Aaleel wrote...

Shepard has Cybernetic implants like many other people.  Heck the Quarians have cybernetic implants to help them interface with suits.

I get the impression that the wave of energy explicitly destroys their (synthetics) sentience in some nigh unexplainable method, rather than just destroys machines in general. The Star Child DOES explicitly say things can be easily repaired by the survivors.

The damage is probably minimal beyond an absurdly targeted destruction of synthetic lifeforms.

Code_R wrote...

Destroy is still genocide and is still unacceptable. Unless your Shepherd was the selfish kind I guess.

 
Controlling the galaxy via the Reapers can easily be seen as selfish. As could merging all life into synthetic/organic hybrids (you'll note how lovely the Reaper's own combinations of such have turned out.)

Destruction has a high cost, but the alternatives aren't free either.

Modifié par zherok, 27 juin 2012 - 11:48 .

[Kem1995]

Jonathan Sud wrote...

Kem1995 wrote...

I'm all for the destroy ending but how does Shepard survive if EDI and the Geth die? Shepard is part machine due to the Lazarus Project and it's clearly stated, he will die aswell.

The Catalyst is clearly a Reaper itself as the Reject ending implied. That being said, would you really believe anything a Reaper told you?

Besides, EDI and the geth can be restored! Both of them required Reaper tech in order to achieve self-awareness, and guess what's just lying around for us in the Destroy ending? Reaper tech

I geuss when you put it that way, it makes sense ha.

One other thing, not sure if anyone else got this scene but I had a scene with someone painted in a silhoutte, looked like shepard just staring to the distance.

And also, on the breath scene, did anyone else have it cut to a person at the memorial scene for a split second then black out?

[hexediter]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

This one is easy, you are giving one individual/entity absolute power and knowledge as well as near immortality. It's about as close as I can think of obtaining godhood. The problem is that everything in humanities short existance has taught us that power is a currupting influence that can't be left unchecked. Sure Shepard is a force for good now, but what about 100 years from now, or 1000? There is a reason Tim is painted as the villian with control/power being his goal and you're constantly in conflict with that. Remember LOTR when Frodo offers the ring to Gandolf, he rejects it. He would be powerful enough to defeat Sauron sure, but you'd have only replaced one tryanny with another, and I fear that is all control has really done.

A strong powerful leader is NOT a bad thing in itself if the leader is not a cruel person. Now I don't know about you but my Shepard is not cruel.

And seriously bringing LOTR in the discussion is pathetic with the childish good vs evil concept in there. ( There are great things in those books, but it's not the good vs evil fight ).

I reject the concept of destroying all the knowledge the Reapers have as well as destroying them when they can be used.

The theme of good versus evil is not what I was highlighting.  It was the currupting influence of power, which is what the ring represents.  What shepard becomes is very analogous to that in my opinion.  Shepard is not a strong and powerful leader, he was that before he was a reaper, he is now very much a god who sees itself as a defender.  I question how long that will last.

[Crysis I]

Kanon777 wrote...

Synthesis and Control are the best (unless you have a LI)

i had ashley as a love interest but still i don't play games for love interests, i play mass effect for the shooting gameplay, the story and the dialogue options. i played shep with the choices i would make myself not paragon/renegade. in the real world no one would chose the other endings over destroy unless they were mad. what right does anyone have to chose an entire galaxys fate and chage them like they do in the synthesis ending, plus the control ending will only go bad in the end when shep gets bored and decides to wipe out the galaxy lol 

[MattFini]

I'm more terrified that some people believe Synthesis could be the best ending.

Husks living side by side with us? Those damn things that were made from our loved ones? Reapers floating around nonchalantly - grim reminders of the beings that almost pushed us to extinction. And they get off scot-free!?

What a creepy, uncomfortable existence that I want no part of.

I have six or seven Shepards across the ME games, and none of them will ever choose that freakshow.

[Crysis I]

Code_R wrote...

Destroy is still genocide and is still unacceptable. Unless your Shepherd was the selfish kind I guess.

synthesis and control are selfish endings destroy is the right option

synthesis yo uchose everyones fate for them = which isn't right maybe people didnt want to be turned like that

control = become a god and do what you want = selfish

destroy = you save the galaxy and everyone lives but the synthetics die but can always be rebuilt what are people missing here?

[Kem1995]

Code_R wrote...

Destroy is still genocide and is still unacceptable. Unless your Shepherd was the selfish kind I guess.

How? Everyone in the galaxy set off on this mission to DESTROY the reapers, by any means.

[Jonathan Sud]

MattFini wrote...

I'm more terrified that some people believe Synthesis could be the best ending.

Husks living side by side with us? Those damn things that were made from our loved ones? Reapers floating around nonchalantly - grim reminders of the beings that almost pushed us to extinction. And they get off scot-free!?

Next thing you know, people will be defending the husks.

EDIT: To my amazement, people are actually defending the Reapers.

Wtf...

Modifié par Jonathan Sud, 27 juin 2012 - 11:58 .

[D58]

Merwanor wrote...

But as stated, the most important factor is that the Destroy ending would go against everything my Shepard stands for.

How does this go against everything your Shepard stands for when right from the very start the ultimate goal was to destroy the repear at any cost, The fleets were practicly on a suicide mission knowing they didnt realy have much of a chance but they were all there for the one goal of destroy them, I bet if you were to ask any person in the mass effect universe what they would prefer it wouldnt bother them too much losing the geth

It doesnt matter how much advanced they are they are still machines they were created i wasnt happy about it but there is no way i would choose them and not finish the goal of destroying reapers and shepard who has done so much deserves to live

[MattFini]

Jonathan Sud wrote...

MattFini wrote...

I'm more terrified that some people believe Synthesis could be the best ending.

Husks living side by side with us? Those damn things that were made from our loved ones? Reapers floating around nonchalantly - grim reminders of the beings that almost pushed us to extinction. And they get off scot-free!?

Next thing you know, people will be defending the husks.

EDIT: To my amazement, people are actually defending the Reapers.

Wtf...

I know.  I've read a few "do the Reapers actually deserve death?" comments ... enough to make me thing there's some heavy indoctrination happening here at the BSN. 

Modifié par MattFini, 27 juin 2012 - 11:59 .

[Xamufam]

B3ckett wrote...

Synthesis is the WORST ending, because Shepard forces this exchange on every living being in the Galaxy. He is not GOD to do that.

My personal ranking:
1. Destroy - what we wanted since Eden Prime.
2. Control - because of Shepard's monologue and lack of utter destruction of known races
3. Reject - because the Reapers lose, thanks to Shepard and Liara. Many have been lost, but at least the threat is gone.
4. Synthesis - forcing changes onto everyone and no knowing whether there is not a hidden code that will eventually take over every organic.

not only that but it how many organics would survive the transformatiion it would be painful & leathal

[D58]

MattFini wrote...

Jonathan Sud wrote...

MattFini wrote...

I'm more terrified that some people believe Synthesis could be the best ending.

Husks living side by side with us? Those damn things that were made from our loved ones? Reapers floating around nonchalantly - grim reminders of the beings that almost pushed us to extinction. And they get off scot-free!?

Next thing you know, people will be defending the husks.

EDIT: To my amazement, people are actually defending the Reapers.

Wtf...

I know.  I've read a few "do the Reapers actually deserve death?" comments ... enough to make me thing there's some heavy indoctrination happening here at the BSN. 

The only way for me to even consider synthesis is for the reapers to die,when they stop attacking they should be destroyed and i can live with that,not walk around like nothing happend

[George Costanza]

I can't imagine ever picking an ending other than Destroy besides to be completist. I don't like either of the other options.

[zherok]

Troxa wrote...

not only that but it how many organics would survive the transformatiion it would be painful & leathal

It's already hand waved space magic, so who knows? Still the fact that you're forcing it on the entire galaxy. Nor would it likely mean life would be incapable of developing along traditional lines outside the existing lifeforms. Would the hybrids force the synthesis on emergent life?

I doubt forcing harmony on everyone by making them the same is really the pinnacle of evolution. And it's exactly the sort of thing that brought down the previous (Prothean) cycle, and the antithesis of what allows Shepard's cycle to get so far.

[Jonathan Sud]

MattFini wrote...

Jonathan Sud wrote...

MattFini wrote...

I'm more terrified that some people believe Synthesis could be the best ending.

Husks living side by side with us? Those damn things that were made from our loved ones? Reapers floating around nonchalantly - grim reminders of the beings that almost pushed us to extinction. And they get off scot-free!?

Next thing you know, people will be defending the husks.

EDIT: To my amazement, people are actually defending the Reapers.

Wtf...

I know.  I've read a few "do the Reapers actually deserve death?" comments ... enough to make me thing there's some heavy indoctrination happening here at the BSN. 

Gotta applaud Bioware for getting people to think that way.

[Solaxe]

Destroy ending - genocide + uncertain future

Yeah definitely the best ending >>

[Chromie]

Cant beleive people still give a damn.

[MattFini]

Solaxe wrote...

Destroy ending - genocide + uncertain future

Yeah definitely the best ending >>

Uncertain future ... WITH NO REAPERS!!!!

Game = won. 

[zherok]

MattFini wrote...

Uncertain future ... WITH NO REAPERS!!!!

Game = won. 

Uncertainty is part of the point, anyway.

Every cycle prior to this one had a certain future, and we know how awesome those were. Life is better left to it's own devices rather than having circular logic using robots dictating the terms.

[MattFini]

Agreed. Another reason why Destroy is aces in my book.

[Metalunatic]

MissLiya wrote...

The most insulting part of Mass Effect 3 is existance of synthesis/control ending and that they are actually "paragon" endings. 

There are no paragon or renegade endings in ME3.  Well, in Control it's a little different based on your score, but in the end they're all a bit grey.

Modifié par Metalunatic, 27 juin 2012 - 12:32 .

[Podge 90]

I can't bring myself to choose anything other than Destroy because it's the least ridiculous of all the endings.

I'm not going to be convinced that destroying the Reapers is not the right course of action by the very thing that created them.

Like I say, Green and Blue are beyond ridiculous and introduce concepts that are completely new and unbelievable.

[CptData]

Solaxe wrote...

Destroy ending - genocide + uncertain future

Yeah definitely the best ending >>

Well, if your EMS is high you get the BEST ending if you value freedom and free will more than anything else. It's one of the lessons we have to learn: neither freedom nor peace is given for free, you have to earn it, sometimes have to sacrifice something. Shepard would have sacrificed him/herself in the Destruction Ending if it had made a difference for the Geth or EDI, but that option wasn't given. Shepard did, what had to be done, and the end of the Reaper threat was the very first point on his/her agenda for full three games.

Picking something different is almost like betraying Shepard.

[nitefyre410]

Crysis I wrote...

Kanon777 wrote...

Synthesis and Control are the best (unless you have a LI)

i had ashley as a love interest but still i don't play games for love interests, i play mass effect for the shooting gameplay, the story and the dialogue options. i played shep with the choices i would make myself not paragon/renegade. in the real world no one would chose the other endings over destroy unless they were mad. what right does anyone have to chose an entire galaxys fate and chage them like they do in the synthesis ending, plus the control ending will only go bad in the end when shep gets bored and decides to wipe out the galaxy lol 

 

Honestly Control can be the most bittersweet out of all them because even as AI God Shepard  now he still remembers  everyone. Its  kinda like watching a past life.  

So my AI  God/New Catalyst Shepard  will have some Destroyers building Tali her house  on the Homeworld.