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[MattFini]

"Dead reapers are how we win this...Unless of course you have the option to become a ghost and control them, or indulge in space eugenics."

Modifié par MattFini, 27 juin 2012 - 12:38 .

[RustyMcBlade]

Its really annoyin how people can turn into hippies sometimes. Geth are just machines, they are not alive. Go hug a geth hub!

[Dutchess]

I still think destroy is the best option. I watched synthesis and control on youtube and they really creeped me out. They are so scary I can't believe it is good to choose one of them.

Edit: and as other people have said: the geth are not people. They are machines. They are not a race. The Quarians could easily rebuild them. That would not be possible the other way around.

Modifié par renjility, 27 juin 2012 - 12:43 .

[M920CAIN]

The Alliance's Hero soundtrack says it all for me: Dead Reapers is how we win this.

[peteTKD]

Destroy is the best - the reapers don't deserve to live, best to be rid of them completely. Although the reject is my favorite!!!

[MattFini]

renjility wrote...

I still think destroy is the best option. I watched synthesis and control on youtube and they really creeped me out. They are so scary I can't believe it is good to choose one of them.

Control Shepard is kind of scary ... I wouldn't want my Shepard to end up like that.  Plus, ultimate power corrupts.  The original Catalyst was created to solve a problem -- and look what the little sob did!  Someone explain how/why this won't happen to Shepard ... eventually.

But Control Shepard is nothing compared to the horror show of Synthesis.  I actually would love to write a MASS EFFECT novel using the Synthesis ending.  It would be a horror story showcasing the nightmares that would ensue following that decision.  

[Solaxe]

MattFini wrote...

Solaxe wrote...

Destroy ending - genocide + uncertain future

Yeah definitely the best ending >>

Uncertain future ... WITH NO REAPERS!!!!

Game = won. 

What makes you so sure?

Maybe Galaxy will evolve to the point when we create our own Reapers again

[GreyLycanTrope]

Because genocide that's why, if that aspect had been removed I would be all for it.

[M Hedonist]

D58 wrote...

How can shepard not live? do you guys think a machine deserves to live more than him?

And here we go, the first Destroy supporter who sounds like a comic book villain. I was getting tired of The Reaper Overlord and The Synthesizer, anyway.

[MattFini]

Maybe they will. But the Reapers as we know them are gone for good in Destroy. No more Catalyst, and none of his solutions that keep the damn things around.

Choosing Destroy is the only way to rid ourselves of the threat that plagued us for three games.

[kleindropper]

RustyMcBlade wrote...

Its really annoyin how people can turn into hippies sometimes. Geth are just machines, they are not alive. Go hug a geth hub!

Agreed.  The geth are nothing more than streams of data; it's possible this can be recovered (maybe the geth had Carbonite).  If not, oh well, the quarians can make new ones and give them similar memories like nothing happened.

[Aurora313]

My Shepards chose their own paths to suit their personalities and headcanoned extra pieces appropriately.

My Paragade Vanguard chose control, his LI (Ash) acts as his 'Saren' as a medium between his ascended self and the rest of the mortal races. He wanted the power to protect everything he cared about - so he took it.

My Renegon Infiltrator chose synthesis, feeling it was the best way to keep the most people alive and united and despite her harsh cynical attitude to life, it was something she desperately wanted. Her LI, Kaidan, remains a SpecTRe, negotiating and maintain peace.

My Renegade Solider destroyed the Reapers, because it was Anderson's last wish and his steadfast goal through the last three years. Ashley is reunited with him some time later and they have a frustrating 'will they/won't they' relationship going for a few years.

The rest of my Shepards rejected the starchild, violently or otherwise.

[Lord Goose]

I've choosen Control. Because it was only possible development for the character I built over these three games.

Man, who sacrifices himself, so save many is practically epitomization of my Shepard's modus operandi.

Destroy is good, but only on emotional side. Shepard lives, may reunite with LI, enemies are dead... Simple ending, closest to classical happy-end.

[Dutchess]

People seem to brush aside the fact that the Geth turned to the Reapers for help. They served the Reapers twice, first just the heretics, then all of them. That they put their own survival above everything else in the galaxy makes them not trustworthy.

EDI questions Shepard on the subject. The Reapers promised prisoners they would be spared if they told them if other people tried to escape (or something along those lines). But none of the prisoners betrayed anyone else. It meant their own end, but they put something else above their own survival. That the Geth have proven to be incapable of that makes it not that much of a loss to me. And again, it could still be a temporary loss at best. The geth can be rebuild, if people truly believed the galaxy is better with them in it.

Modifié par renjility, 27 juin 2012 - 01:14 .

[Erixxxx]

D58 wrote...

All i seen in the other control and synthesis endings are a bunch of garbage and unrealistic even for a sci fi game,

If you think that a person becoming "something more" (Control) is garbage in sci-fi, then you've never experienced much of the genre I'm afraid.

[Erixxxx]

renjility wrote...

People seem to brush aside the fact that the Geth turned to the Reapers for help. They served the Reapers twice, first just the heretics, then all of them. That they put their own survival above everything else in the galaxy makes them not trustworthy.

This one is actually explained in the game. Geth are smarter the more of them there are. When the Quarians started wiping out entire ships, platforms, and servers full of them, their combined intelligence dropped catastrohpically, and a more base instinct of survival took over. Not unlike humans when backed into a corner.

[Dutchess]

Erixxxx wrote...

renjility wrote...

People seem to brush aside the fact that the Geth turned to the Reapers for help. They served the Reapers twice, first just the heretics, then all of them. That they put their own survival above everything else in the galaxy makes them not trustworthy.

This one is actually explained in the game. Geth are smarter the more of them there are. When the Quarians started wiping out entire ships, platforms, and servers full of them, their combined intelligence dropped catastrohpically, and a more base instinct of survival took over. Not unlike humans when backed into a corner.

I know, but the fact that survival instinct is stronger than anything else when trouble kicks in still makes Geth less than organics. When it comes down to it, they are selfish. 

And when they were made even more intellegent with the Reaper tech, Legion decided to keep that technology, despite its preach about Geth believing in evolving gradually, on their own strength. Despite that there are no doubt more risks involved with keeping Reaper tech.

Whether they are smart or dumb, they act with their own selfish interest placed above other things. I found it very odd Shepard could not say that much about Legions lies and that it seems to be forgotten very quickly.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

renjility wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

renjility wrote...

People seem to brush aside the fact that the Geth turned to the Reapers for help. They served the Reapers twice, first just the heretics, then all of them. That they put their own survival above everything else in the galaxy makes them not trustworthy.

This one is actually explained in the game. Geth are smarter the more of them there are. When the Quarians started wiping out entire ships, platforms, and servers full of them, their combined intelligence dropped catastrohpically, and a more base instinct of survival took over. Not unlike humans when backed into a corner.

I know, but the fact that survival instinct is stronger than anything else when trouble kicks in still makes Geth less than organics. When it comes down to it, they are selfish. 

And when they were made even more intellegent with the Reaper tech, Legion decided to keep that technology, despite its preach about Geth believing in evolving gradually, on their own strength. Despite that there are no doubt more risks involved with keeping Reaper tech.

Whether they are smart or dumb, they act with their own selfish interest placed above other things. I found it very odd Shepard could not say that much about Legions lies and that it seems to be forgotten very quickly.

Do you know absolutely nothing about biology? When humans are greviously injured or suffer brain damage, often a survival instinct kicks in, causing us to instinctually act to preserve our own lives. According to you, humans should all be destroyed because we are useless and selfish... especilaly anyone willing to commit genocide and murder to save their own life. That's the most selfish thing I can imagine.

Then again, I don't hold people to such ridiculous standards. I think all beings deserve life, even those who are willing to denigrate other races as inferior and use that as an excuse to justify genocide and murder.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 27 juin 2012 - 01:46 .

[Lord Goose]

The geth can be rebuild, if
people truly believed the galaxy is better with them in it.

Well, you can easily reproduce, say, krogan. Or human. Or rachni. Cloning technology, which could allow easy reproduction. Does that justify genocide?

On that matter, I should also point out, that large factions of humanity actually served the Reapers, namely Cerberus. They are not much different from heretics.

Normal geth only allied with Reapers to avoid extermination. It is different from example with people on Earth, because geth betrayed no one. They never had obligation to let quarians kill them all. Also, they willingly ally you in future fighting, if quarians are dead, or conflict solved.

[High Kicks]

My Vanguard Renegade picked destroy. The geth were already dead by then.
But, like somebody else brought up. What happened to True Geth in this game?
They all swore up and down that they would build their own future, but as soon as the Quarian (bastards!) starting firing, they...the TRUE GETH, went to...the Reapers??
WTH why not go find Shepard like you did the first time?? You knew s/he'd help!
I can see if it was the Geth VI leading the so called show, but not Legion.

*sighs* I know I shouldn't complain.

[Dutchess]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

renjility wrote...

I know, but the fact that survival instinct is stronger than anything else when trouble kicks in still makes Geth less than organics. When it comes down to it, they are selfish. 

And when they were made even more intellegent with the Reaper tech, Legion decided to keep that technology, despite its preach about Geth believing in evolving gradually, on their own strength. Despite that there are no doubt more risks involved with keeping Reaper tech.

Whether they are smart or dumb, they act with their own selfish interest placed above other things. I found it very odd Shepard could not say that much about Legions lies and that it seems to be forgotten very quickly.

Do you know absolutely nothing about biology? When humans are greviously injured or suffer brain damage, often a survival instinct kicks in, causing us to instinctually act to preserve our own lives.

According to you, humans should all be destroyed because we are useless and selfish... especilaly you, since you're willing to commit genocide and murder to save your own life. That's the most selfish thing I can imagine.

Then again, I don't hold people to such ridiculous standards. I think all beings deserve life, even those who are willing to denigrate other races as inferior and use that as an excuse to justify genocide and murder.

That you connect brain damage with survival instinct makes me believe you are actually the one who doesn't know much about biology. What area of the brain should be damaged to have that instinct kick in? You can get paralysed, lose your personality, your ability to reason and plan, you can go blind, deaf, become unable to process half of your world, and many other things, but survival instinct? I haven't heard that one during my classes in neuroscience. Doesn't mean it can't happen, but it doesn't sound that likely to me. With other, 'regular' injuries you can be right. But I addressed that, because the human prisoners' lifes were in danger, and yet they did not act on their survival instinct. While that should definitely be there in that situation. So, yes, humans can go beyond that.

Shepard kills a lot of people to stop the Reapers, no matter how you play it. You know when he committed mass murder? When he let that Batarian colony die in the explosion of the mass relay. Now that was something that I found terrible, and yet you were forced to do it, or everything else was lost. Sometimes those sacrifices have to be made to save even more people.

And again, when it comes to the geth, it is not even genocide, because they are not an organic race. They don't have to be gone for good, unlike those Batarians. More steel, chips and wires, and there you have a new Geth. 

[ghost9191]

i try not to justify genocide, i know it is a bad choice but accept that i made the decision, the reapers are destroyed for it but still feel bad

[warlock22]

D58 wrote...

How can shepard not live? do you guys think a machine deserves to live more than him?

All i seen in the other control and synthesis endings are a bunch of garbage and unrealistic even for a sci fi game,reapers walking around earth like nothing ever happend and what happens with the husks do they just live happily ever after in a nice reaper house and get day jobs or something?

Destroy is the only option that makes sense and keeps the universe relatively normal,not a bunch of nonsense reaper god protector helping build relays and walking around on the ground like nothing happend amongst the people whos familys it has just slaughtered!

I agree, i dont like the other endings. Conrtol Shepard is not him self, I just found it creepy when says those lines about him/her self. Like" the man I once was" and "I still have his memories " and so on. And Synthesis is better in the EC but I still view it as inhumane and just wrong. I just feel like your changing everyone, who they were and with out thier permission. And mass effect has always been about there is strength in diversity, and  thats when we all are at our best because we all have something different to bring to the table. Destroy is waht I was set out to do all threw out the games, I was to destory the reapers and its the only one were Shepard lives... I guess. I only say that because that "breath" scene doesn't make any sence. But aside that in destory everyone is the same, the reapers are gone and no longer a threat.

Although I will say that Control imo isn't that farfetch, but synthesis is just space magic, just does not make any sence and goes completely against what Mass Effect has always been about. But I will say that I hate it that EDI and the geth die in Destroy, but I feel that they can be rebuilt.

Modifié par warlock22, 27 juin 2012 - 01:48 .

[Dutchess]

Lord Goose wrote...

The geth can be rebuild, if people truly believed the galaxy is better with them in it.

Well, you can easily reproduce, say, krogan. Or human. Or rachni. Cloning technology, which could allow easy reproduction. Does that justify genocide?

On that matter, I should also point out, that large factions of humanity actually served the Reapers, namely Cerberus. They are not much different from heretics.

Normal geth only allied with Reapers to avoid extermination. It is different from example with people on Earth, because geth betrayed no one. They never had obligation to let quarians kill them all. Also, they willingly ally you in future fighting, if quarians are dead, or conflict solved.

If all krogan, human or rachni are wiped out, how can they reproduce? When all Geth are wiped out, you can still make new ones. Like you can get a new computer when your old one gives up, but you can't get a new grandmother.

Geth betrayed all life in the galaxy by allying themselves with a force that wants to wipe everything out. When you think your own survival is worth that much, yeah, I find that questionable.

People who served the Reapers were pretty much all indoctrinated, and/or had indoctrinated leaders. When you attack the Cerberus base EDI tells you Cerberus is actually throwing civilians at your guns so that they can set up a more organized defense.

[GreenDragon37]

Dead Reapers is how we win won this.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 27 juin 2012 - 01:53 .