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[Mojenator12345]

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

right hackett doesnt even mention Shepard at all, feels like she was thrown away like garbage.

This.

[Mojenator12345]

saracen16 wrote...

Not sure I can do that when controlling a Reaper (unless I wanna give her a heart attack when I show up as Harbinger), or when I'm synthesized with all of existence. Probably could in destroy, which means that it is implied. Therefore, just headcanon it.

In the control ending, I think the romantic thing to do would be to liquify your LI so she can be in the reaper with you. 

[Mojenator12345]

TullyAckland wrote...

 I said this elsewhere but I'll crosspost and put it here also: 

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

• Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run.
• When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.
• A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall.
• You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

Yeah, pretty much none of that happened in my game (just the second bullet).  Why does ME3 hate the ME2 characters so much? 

[Delaney]

Mojenator12345 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Not sure I can do that when controlling a Reaper (unless I wanna give her a heart attack when I show up as Harbinger), or when I'm synthesized with all of existence. Probably could in destroy, which means that it is implied. Therefore, just headcanon it.

In the control ending, I think the romantic thing to do would be to liquify your LI so she can be in the reaper with you. 

And if you still feel alone just liquify everybody ... so the galaxy consists now only of reapers ... HAPPY END. Yes!

[BulletFMV2413]

you see bioware themselves doesn't even know how shepard surived so they probably dont know what todo with it

[greggm2000]

Mojenator12345 wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Wait, how can they even know Anderson is dead and not Shepard? They weren't that damn far apart. Some further searching would have found Shepard, too.

And, if the LI feels a tremor in the force and decides that Shep is still alive, how does the Normandy just take off to go after him?  Didn't it just crash land?  And if not, what in the hell was it doing on that planet instead of being at the rendezvous point?

Yes, the EC was riddled with the same sort of consistency and continuity errors that made the original ending such a mess.  Disappointing that this is the best they could come up with.

I figure the intent of the Normandy crash was to get the other characters+LI out of the way for awhile so that they couldn't immediately rescue Shepard. Which suggests interesting possibilities for when they do return to Earth (will they?). There's some plot stuff we're just not seeing here, which I presume will be addressed in DLC or ME4.

As to the actual scene of Normandy crash landing on a jungle planet, I think that's where the writers decided to ignore basic astronomy. Landing on an airless moon wouldn't have given them that chance to show at least some surviving and walking outside (pre-EC). I think it's supposed to help show that life will go on. They didn't change it to something halfway plausible because of their need to save face.... and probably save resources too, I expect they had a budget (not just the 2 GB limitation), and, well, I don't know if there was an internal Bioware faction pushing for a rewrite or not, but I think it's probably fair to say that because of those limitations, it just wasn't in the cards. There's much we don't know.

So, we got what we got in the EC. Considering the reality on the ground, I think we came out pretty well, all things considered. For whatever plot holes and inconsistencies it has, we did get an emotionally moving end that explained at least some of what we were missing, and that also satisfied politics (= "artistic integrity" = "saving face at BW/EA" ) at the same time. The majority is, if not happy, at least reasonably satisfied. And I think that's been shown in the reactions on the forums.

It's not ideal, but it did rescue the franchise. What Bioware does from the present onwards will determine if they learned their lesson. Either they'll bring out quality product that people want... or they won't. Time will tell.

[Iakus]

BulletFMV2413 wrote...

you see bioware themselves doesn't even know how shepard surived so they probably dont know what todo with it

Then just have Sheaprd found by a rescue team, sleeping on a hospital bed.  Voiceover of the Alliance contacting the Normandy that Shep's been found.  Something besides just the breathing scene

Makes speculating that Shep won't quietly bleed out on the Citadel a lot easier to "speculate" on...

[Herr Igor]

TullyAckland wrote...

 I said this elsewhere but I'll crosspost and put it here also: 

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

• Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run.
  
  
• When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.
  
  
• A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall.
  
  
• You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

What about those people who romance MIRANDA or JACK? Perhaps there should have been a little bit more in attention to these two characters, no?

Modifié par Herr Igor, 29 juin 2012 - 06:01 .

[Ivy Lavellan]

What reunion are you talking about, people? Have you forgotten the Normandy crashes god knows where, and all mass relays are broken, so she can't go back?  Same goes for communication - iirc, they used mass relays to transmit signals over large distances. How the hell the crew knew about Anderson's (and Shepard's) death is beyond me.
So my guess - your LI is stuck on a jungle planet until the relays are repaired, and that, my friends, might be a long time :innocent:

I apologize for my english, it's not native. Also, this is my first time posting here, so hello everyone

[greggm2000]

s_kai wrote...

What reunion are you talking about, people? Have you forgotten the Normandy crashes god knows where, and all mass relays are broken, so she can't go back?  Same goes for communication - iirc, they used mass relays to transmit signals over large distances. How the hell the crew knew about Anderson's (and Shepard's) death is beyond me.
So my guess - your LI is stuck on a jungle planet until the relays are repaired, and that, my friends, might be a long time :innocent:

I apologize for my english, it's not native. Also, this is my first time posting here, so hello everyone

You're forgetting about the quantum entanglement communicators. Even with the relays temporarily down, they still have contact with Earth.

As to how long, we don't know for sure, maybe a few weeks? Long enough to be able to sneak in another DLC for a solo Shepard thing, though, if they're so inclined to make one

It couldn't be TOO long, since, y'know, food.

[Ivy Lavellan]

greggm2000 wrote...

You're forgetting about the quantum entanglement communicators. Even with the relays temporarily down, they still have contact with Earth.

Really? I am not entirely clear on this. They don't need mass relays for real time communication to work? Well, that's good, cause, you know - at least you can say hello to your LI over the phone
Okay then. If they got news about Anderson's death, why the hell they don't know that Shepard survived?.. Oh well.

As for another DLC, I somehow doubt there will be a reunion one, since, well - too many dead Shepards out there, or those who skipped romance altogether. It's hardly fair to release DLC that is going to be unavailable for some people just because they made different choices in game.

As to how long, we don't know for sure, maybe a few weeks?
<skip>
It couldn't be TOO long, since, y'know, food.

More like a few years at best, IMO.
And come on, it's a jungle planet! They can go hunting and all! Plus, the Normandy must have food supplies as well

[Kreidian]

Definitely should have a reunion with LI. **** speculation, the fans want to actually SEE it.

Show, don't Tell

[greggm2000]

s_kai wrote...

greggm2000 wrote...

You're forgetting about the quantum entanglement communicators. Even with the relays temporarily down, they still have contact with Earth.

Really? I am not entirely clear on this. They don't need mass relays for real time communication to work? Well, that's good, cause, you know - at least you can say hello to your LI over the phone
Okay then. If they got news about Anderson's death, why the hell they don't know that Shepard survived?.. Oh well.

As for another DLC, I somehow doubt there will be a reunion one, since, well - too many dead Shepards out there, or those who skipped romance altogether. It's hardly fair to release DLC that is going to be unavailable for some people just because they made different choices in game.

Hmm... Maybe they're assuming that they died, based on the explosion.. and it's only the LI belief (or if Liara, possibly knowledge via her mental link w Shepard) that prevents her from putting up the plaque.

Alternatively, maybe they get the message that Anderson has died, but haven't found Shepard yet. I know, a stretch, but we have a lack of information right now.

s_kai wrote...

As to how long, we don't know for sure, maybe a few weeks?
<skip>
It couldn't be TOO long, since, y'know, food.

More like a few years at best, IMO.
And come on, it's a jungle planet! They can go hunting and all! Plus, the Normandy must have food supplies as well

A few years? Maybe.. but maybe not, the ship isn't THAT big, and there's plenty of crew. Water won't be a problem of course.

Food would still be a problem on jungle planet... even assuming it's edible (or can be made so), you still run into the whole dextro vs. levo issue. Someone's going to be going hungry.

[Ivy Lavellan]

greggm2000 wrote...

I know, a stretch, but we have a lack of information right now.

I'd say we have a plothole, but okay...

greggm2000 wrote...

A few years? Maybe.. but maybe not

I just don't think rebuilding a relay is a small task. And iirc, to travel you need to rebuild at least two, no?

greggm2000 wrote...

even assuming it's edible (or can be made so), you still run into the whole dextro vs. levo issue. Someone's going to be going hungry.

Good point, I didn't think of that Well, perhaps they could find food they need within FTL travel distances?..
I know, I know, now I'm reaching

[Iakus]

greggm2000 wrote...


Hmm... Maybe they're assuming that they died, based on the explosion.. and it's only the LI belief (or if Liara, possibly knowledge via her mental link w Shepard) that prevents her from putting up the plaque.

Alternatively, maybe they get the message that Anderson has died, but haven't found Shepard yet. I know, a stretch, but we have a lack of information right now.

And at this point, we'll never get that information.  SHepard's tale ends lying in a pile of rubble 

[greggm2000]

s_kai wrote...

greggm2000 wrote...

I know, a stretch, but we have a lack of information right now.

I'd say we have a plothole, but okay...

Well yeah, a plothole that they can easily fill

s_kai wrote...

greggm2000 wrote...

A few years? Maybe.. but maybe not

I just don't think rebuilding a relay is a small task. And iirc, to travel you need to rebuild at least two, no?

Admittedly, it wouldn't be easy, but they have some ftl without it, and maybe if the large majority of galactic resources are focused on it, maybe it wouldn't be as time consuming as we might think?

s_kai wrote...

greggm2000 wrote...

even assuming it's edible (or can be made so), you still run into the whole dextro vs. levo issue. Someone's going to be going hungry.

Good point, I didn't think of that Well, perhaps they could find food they need within FTL travel distances?..
I know, I know, now I'm reaching

Yeah, but if they can fly that far, they can fly back to Earth I bet, problem solved

[greggm2000]

iakus wrote...

greggm2000 wrote...


Hmm... Maybe they're assuming that they died, based on the explosion.. and it's only the LI belief (or if Liara, possibly knowledge via her mental link w Shepard) that prevents her from putting up the plaque.

Alternatively, maybe they get the message that Anderson has died, but haven't found Shepard yet. I know, a stretch, but we have a lack of information right now.

And at this point, we'll never get that information.  SHepard's tale ends lying in a pile of rubble 

Don't worry, I'm sure she gets better.... and with a little luck, maybe Bioware will even show us.

[Reorte]

greggm2000 wrote...

iakus wrote...

And at this point, we'll never get that information.  SHepard's tale ends lying in a pile of rubble 

Don't worry, I'm sure she gets better.... and with a little luck, maybe Bioware will even show us.

WIth a hell of a lot of luck. If it wasn't in the EC I don't know where BW will put it.

[garrusfan1]

Kreidian wrote...

Definitely should have a reunion with LI. **** speculation, the fans want to actually SEE it.

Show, don't Tell

YES this is right well said

[greggm2000]

Reorte wrote...

greggm2000 wrote...

iakus wrote...

And at this point, we'll never get that information.  SHepard's tale ends lying in a pile of rubble 

Don't worry, I'm sure she gets better.... and with a little luck, maybe Bioware will even show us.

WIth a hell of a lot of luck. If it wasn't in the EC I don't know where BW will put it.

DLC or ME4 of course... *IF* they do it, and it's anyone's guess at this point if they will. But they sure have made it awfully easy to slot new content in after the events of ME3, if they want to. If it weren't for Bioware employees' statements saying otherwise, I'd even say such a thing would be certain... I mean, reading between the lines from what they have done and said in-game, it seems pretty clear to me.

But again, who knows? There's conflicting information, and much/most/all of it open to interpretation. We'll just have to see what we get in the end.

[element eater]

Dorik0309 wrote...

I would pay many, many dollars for a quality reunion DLC.  I cannot speak for everyone, but I know it would put my mind at ease.

this its the oonly thing thats realy sticking with me from mass effect now which is a shame just feels so unresolved as is

[Ivy Lavellan]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Sure smells like speculation in here.

Absolutely.

[The Heretic of Time]

Argetfalcon wrote...

Why Bioware this is one of the things most people asked for in the extended cut. Why didin't you put it in

Because it's cliché and silly and it would make the already bad ending even worse.

[Simotech]

Reunion dlc ftw!