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[Iakus]

Siansonea II wrote...

I swear, people are so codependent it's not even funny. How many "goodbyes" do you need? If you take your LI with you to the beam, you get another goodbye (and this is after the FOB goodbyes that happen just minutes before). So how many goodbyes do we need? Do we want to have a scene where we text the LI right after TIM dies, and another one right after Anderson dies, and another one right after the talk with Catalyst, and another one right after the Crucible fires? Seriously, all this reunion talk is just silly. Shepard is dead, or severely wounded. Denouement that encompasses a longer time scale than a few hours or days after the Crucible fires is just excessive. They gave us the broad strokes, and if Shepard lives, well, that's a story for another day. And if that story is just about Shepard making the sexytimes with the LI, well, I'll pass. If I want claptrap like that, I'll read those execrable Twilight novels.

It's not a goodbye that's needed.

It's a hello.

It's not just the LI thinking Shep is alive, but knowing

It's Sam saying "Well, I'm back"
It's something beyond a gasping Shepard alone in a pile of debris.

It's closure, not specualtions that's needed.  Wasn't that the point of EC?

[NRieh]

It's closure, not specualtions that's needed. Wasn't that the point of EC?

No way! "CLOSURE TO EVERYONE" - sounds bad for a motto.

[chomicze]

I think that major companies in movie and game industry can't find neutral solution. In 90s we've got tons and tons of happy endings even in thrillers, horrors etc. Now we don't even get a chance to fight for true happy ending, just 'imagine yourself'. That whole tendency is getting on my nerves.
And YES, i would like to see even simple scene that assures me, that they found Shep. Nothing else.

[thisisme8]

Garlador wrote...

I have no idea what any of you are talking about. My sweet Tali didn't put my name on the ship, looking out with hope that I was alive. Cut to the scene of me punching death in the face like Teddy Roosevelt, clawing my way to life, and sucking in some life-giving oxygen.

They couldn't show the next scene because it involves reunion sex so intense it would cause Fox News to go into lockdown in their secret sexless, child-proof bunker.

This is the best post of the thread.  Well played, Garlador.  Well played.

[Angrish]

Siansonea II wrote...

[...] How many "goodbyes" do you need? [...] 

exactly ZERO.

my shepard's story was to end with him on rannoch building a house for his space waifu tali. 

yes, that's cheezy. but my shepard was fighting for the cheese. 

but apparently it's not easy being cheesy, so shepard had to accend to mech-godhood, kick start the a new reality engine that gives everyone a mecha-green haze or blow hisself up to kingdom come. 

for the art, of course. always for the art. 

[priestess of blood]

Hoot42 wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

 I said this elsewhere but I'll crosspost and put it here also: 

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

• Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run.
  When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.
• A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall.
• You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

Thank you for finally putting it out there that Shep is not dead at the end of high EMS destroy.

                               

Yes thank you for helping me to conclude that my original destroy choice was right, seeing it might of been nice, but it's enough for me to know that she will get to see her Liara again.

[Quintega]

TullyAckland wrote...

 I said this elsewhere but I'll crosspost and put it here also: 

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

• Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run.
• When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.
• A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall.
• You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

Once again we raise the issue of JACK has no actual fix in her path. You just say we're gonna have sex after this. OH crap I'm dead. You not only used a hand wave for the scene but are still spitting on the people who actually bothered to romance jack. Also what about the new romances, like kelly, Taylor, and so on. Nope more ignoring

[Chrislo1990]

iakus wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I swear, people are so codependent it's not even funny. How many "goodbyes" do you need? If you take your LI with you to the beam, you get another goodbye (and this is after the FOB goodbyes that happen just minutes before). So how many goodbyes do we need? Do we want to have a scene where we text the LI right after TIM dies, and another one right after Anderson dies, and another one right after the talk with Catalyst, and another one right after the Crucible fires? Seriously, all this reunion talk is just silly. Shepard is dead, or severely wounded. Denouement that encompasses a longer time scale than a few hours or days after the Crucible fires is just excessive. They gave us the broad strokes, and if Shepard lives, well, that's a story for another day. And if that story is just about Shepard making the sexytimes with the LI, well, I'll pass. If I want claptrap like that, I'll read those execrable Twilight novels.

It's not a goodbye that's needed.

It's a hello.

It's not just the LI thinking Shep is alive, but knowing

It's Sam saying "Well, I'm back"
It's something beyond a gasping Shepard alone in a pile of debris.

It's closure, not specualtions that's needed.  Wasn't that the point of EC?

Agreed. The point of Mass Effect 3 was to bring a definitive end to Shepard's story. It isn't fair for those who have poured countless hours into our Shepard's. Now no matter how intricate and beautifully crafted the mass effect franchise is , it is not a book. You can't leave people wondering if Shepard does actually survive after re-entry, which is ridiculous as it is implausible by the way, but ok Bioware. The point is that you have to be definitive. Did Shepard  really survive? Yes or no, or does he die for good this time. If he does survive then why can't you at least show him trying to get up and removing the rubble? What's so hard about that? And also guys just because shepard took a breath doesn't mean he won't later succumb to his injuries. Again more speculation. It can easily go either way. Does that sound like a definitive to end to you? Now unless Bioware is planning to continue shepard's story with mass effect 4 ,then sure I"m okay with that. But they said they won't so then ending has to be definitive. 

Modifié par Chrislo1990, 28 juin 2012 - 03:09 .

[Jadebaby]

thisisme8 wrote...

Garlador wrote...

I have no idea what any of you are talking about. My sweet Tali didn't put my name on the ship, looking out with hope that I was alive. Cut to the scene of me punching death in the face like Teddy Roosevelt, clawing my way to life, and sucking in some life-giving oxygen.

They couldn't show the next scene because it involves reunion sex so intense it would cause Fox News to go into lockdown in their secret sexless, child-proof bunker.

This is the best post of the thread.  Well played, Garlador.  Well played.

Not really, many people have reiterated this. The point is if I wanted a ending to be left for fanfic, I wouldn't have bought the damn game and would have watched the whole thing on youtube.

[Jadebaby]

Quintega wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

 I said this elsewhere but I'll crosspost and put it here also: 

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

• Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run.
• When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.
• A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall.
• You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

Once again we raise the issue of JACK has no actual fix in her path. You just say we're gonna have sex after this. OH crap I'm dead. You not only used a hand wave for the scene but are still spitting on the people who actually bothered to romance jack. Also what about the new romances, like kelly, Taylor, and so on. Nope more ignoring

Exactly, although I romanced a squadmate, I feel your pain. In two of my playthroughs I romanced Jacob and Thane as well.

[greggm2000]

Chrislo1990 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I swear, people are so codependent it's not even funny. How many "goodbyes" do you need? If you take your LI with you to the beam, you get another goodbye (and this is after the FOB goodbyes that happen just minutes before). So how many goodbyes do we need? Do we want to have a scene where we text the LI right after TIM dies, and another one right after Anderson dies, and another one right after the talk with Catalyst, and another one right after the Crucible fires? Seriously, all this reunion talk is just silly. Shepard is dead, or severely wounded. Denouement that encompasses a longer time scale than a few hours or days after the Crucible fires is just excessive. They gave us the broad strokes, and if Shepard lives, well, that's a story for another day. And if that story is just about Shepard making the sexytimes with the LI, well, I'll pass. If I want claptrap like that, I'll read those execrable Twilight novels.

It's not a goodbye that's needed.

It's a hello.

It's not just the LI thinking Shep is alive, but knowing

It's Sam saying "Well, I'm back"
It's something beyond a gasping Shepard alone in a pile of debris.

It's closure, not specualtions that's needed.  Wasn't that the point of EC?

Agreed. The point of Mass Effect 3 was to bring a definitive end to Shepard's story. It isn't fair for those who have poured countless hours into our Shepard's. Now no matter how intricate and beautifully crafted the mass effect franchise is , it is not a book. You can't leave people wondering if Shepard does actually survive after re-entry, which is ridiculous as it is implausible by the way, but ok Bioware. The point is that you have to be definitive. Did Shepard  really survive? Yes or no, or does he die for good this time. If he does survive then why can't you at least show him trying to get up and removing the rubble? What's so hard about that? And also guys just because shepard took a breath doesn't mean he won't later succumb to his injuries. Again more speculation. It can easily go either way. Does that sound like a definitive to end to you? Now unless Bioware is planning to continue shepard's story with mass effect 4 ,then sure I"m okay with that. But they said they won't so then ending has to be definitive. 

Shep is alive at the end of destroy. Given what she's survived from London up to that point, where we see her being shocked back to life by her internal hardware not once but *twice* (the teaser being the 2nd instance), and where she heals from bleeding out on the platform to the extent that she can actually run, I think it's safe to say that she survived... especially since I don't think any re-entry was involved.

Of course, I'm not Bioware, much less an authority there, so who knows.. maybe even THEY don't know for sure yet. As to ME4 and a possible Shepard involvement, it makes sense to me. Bioware employees have stated some things that turned out not to be true, so why not this... especially when it's in their financial interest to make that change?

Hopefully we'll see at least a reunion DLC soon... or at least some definitive and positive statements by Bioware that such a DLC (or ME4 with Shep) will be forthcoming.... else why leave Shep alive in the destroy ending in the first place?

[Godlysnack]

JohnTheJohn wrote...

I don't need it spoonfed, it's obvious in the Destroy ending that they reunite and that's good enough for me.

Wait wait.. you think Shepard survived the ending? yeah he takes a breath but he is badly wounded and crushed by rubble.. No help is close by because Hackett ordered a run to the universal bar to celebrate.. Shepard probably died a horribly slow and painful death all alone in the citadel somewhere

[Siansonea]

So the whole point of this game was "Take Earth Back. Stop The Reapers. Play House With iWife."? Must have missed that memo. :/

[D24O]

While I would've absolutely loved a reunion with the crew and all, I don't really mind having to make it up as my own.

[comrade gando]

Godlysnack wrote...

JohnTheJohn wrote...

I don't need it spoonfed, it's obvious in the Destroy ending that they reunite and that's good enough for me.

Wait wait.. you think Shepard survived the ending? yeah he takes a breath but he is badly wounded and crushed by rubble.. No help is close by because Hackett ordered a run to the universal bar to celebrate.. Shepard probably died a horribly slow and painful death all alone in the citadel somewhere

how did he survive the fall back to earth anyway lawl. never explained. just like the 50 metric tons of plot holes and inconsistencies with the kid and final 20 minutes of the game. just...never explained. have a bitter-sweet ending that doesn't make any sense now. *yaaayyy* oh brother <_<

[AngryFrozenWater]

Siansonea II wrote...

So the whole point of this game was "Take Earth Back. Stop The Reapers. Play House With iWife."? Must have missed that memo. :/

Ghehe. No. The only memo that was forgotten was the one who told us that Shepard should fight the synthetics and not the reapers. The reapers were in fact the good guys, but they forgot to wear their white hats.

[greggm2000]

comrade gando wrote...

Godlysnack wrote...

JohnTheJohn wrote...

I don't need it spoonfed, it's obvious in the Destroy ending that they reunite and that's good enough for me.

Wait wait.. you think Shepard survived the ending? yeah he takes a breath but he is badly wounded and crushed by rubble.. No help is close by because Hackett ordered a run to the universal bar to celebrate.. Shepard probably died a horribly slow and painful death all alone in the citadel somewhere

how did he survive the fall back to earth anyway lawl. never explained. just like the 50 metric tons of plot holes and inconsistencies with the kid and final 20 minutes of the game. just...never explained. have a bitter-sweet ending that doesn't make any sense now. *yaaayyy* oh brother <_<

The Citadel was damaged, not destroyed... even pre-EC we knew that, though it was hard to see unless you paid very close attention to what was shown. So Shep doesn't need to survive re-entry and remains on the citadel... and we already know she's one tough mother

Modifié par greggm2000, 28 juin 2012 - 05:42 .

[Cobretti ftw]

Well its not possible anymore, since shepard just lives on the Destroy ending.. haha

[CronoDragoon]

The amount and quality of LI dialogue you get in the last 2 missions of the game are pretty remarkable. While a final scene/slide would have been nice, nobody should feel cheated.

[Essalor]

I don't even need an extended scene with LI. Just get some extra sound into Shepard breathes scene as if there are marines searching for him and after he takes the breath you could hear Hackett or someone yell "Over here." more excavation noises and fade.
That's more reassuring than taking a breath among the ruins of citadel/London? He looks pretty much stuck under the rubble anyway.

[Jadebaby]

Godlysnack wrote...

JohnTheJohn wrote...

I don't need it spoonfed, it's obvious in the Destroy ending that they reunite and that's good enough for me.

Wait wait.. you think Shepard survived the ending? yeah he takes a breath but he is badly wounded and crushed by rubble.. No help is close by because Hackett ordered a run to the universal bar to celebrate.. Shepard probably died a horribly slow and painful death all alone in the citadel somewhere

Honestly, with the pessimism I've found inside myself since March, this is actually my headcanon right now, and not by choice either, I hate that I think that way!

[Jadebaby]

CronoDragoon wrote...

The amount and quality of LI dialogue you get in the last 2 missions of the game are pretty remarkable. While a final scene/slide would have been nice, nobody should feel cheated.

One picture. a couple of MB. It's not asking a lot.

[CronoDragoon]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

The amount and quality of LI dialogue you get in the last 2 missions of the game are pretty remarkable. While a final scene/slide would have been nice, nobody should feel cheated.

One picture. a couple of MB. It's not asking a lot.

It's not asking a lot to get a mint after a full course meal, either, but you shouldn't feel cheated if it doesn't come your way.

I don't even know why I'm taking this stance. I would love a reunion scene/pic. I guess it's all the people damning the EC because it doesn't have that scene, ignoring all the cool new stuff we did get.

[wicked_being]

You know...all these whining and complaining could've been lessened (we all know we won't stop lol) if they just included a single scene or slide after that breath scene. As I posted in another thread:

Well I'm sure it would've made the Liaramancers happier if they got a slide of Liara looking at you/the camera with a little blue baby in her arms.

It would've made the Garrusmancers happier if they got a slide where Garrus is smiling at you/looking at the camera while holding a mojito (or its turian counterpart) while on the beach or maybe if he's holding a little turian baby.

It would've made the Talimancers happier if they got a slide of a smiling Tali on Rannoch, standing beside a house that's under construction

The Ash and Kaidan fans would've been happier as well if they got uh..*doesn't know anything about Ash and Kaidan* but yeah you get the point.

It would've probably made the Jackolytes happier if they got a slide of a dancing Jack with a shuffling Shepard (didn't even have to show his/her face).


It's just one slide. But oh well I guess we'll just have to settle with that 'not hanging the plaque' scene. It's just you know...I think it's another missed opportunity.

And as element eater posted:

element eater wrote...

@Wicked_Being

these are excellant examples(except i have no idea what a mohito is) they dont give a cannon and dont mean anything if u dont want them to. but if ur a fan that one picture would be a huge pay off for alot of people more so than actualy defeating the reapers(look at some of the romance threads lol)

One slide could've solved it. Headcanon'ing it is different than Bioware actually showing us "yeah they were happy" but still be a bit vague about if the people you cared for were happy because Shep's alive and with them or because they were able to move on and have happy lives because of Shepard's sacrifice.

[SparkyRich]

The EC really only gave you more time with the Star Brat to clarify what he wanted you to do. Meh. 1.9 gigs of Meh. Still, it's slightly better than the original ending. However, even though in my playthrough Shepard apparently survives I still don't know what ACTUALLY HAPPENED to him. There is no closure. The "breath" scene is twice as long, so 3 seconds instead of 1.5. WTF happened there?