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[Reap_ii]

Destory is paragon. its the only choice that is an actual solution to the problem.

[CDR David Shepard]

The options are not paragon or renegade.

They are options.

Two of the options allow the Reapers to live and one ends the Reaper threat for good.

Don't fall for the indoctrination attempt...

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 01 avril 2013 - 08:08 .

[Phoenix_Fyre]

Me, every single time

[Soul Tumor]

I did. But i also choose control, I like both.

[AcidwireX]

Me.

[rfalzar]

I don't really think any one option is clear cut good or bad. All have some moral issues. Basically you choose between becoming a dictator who will eventually restart the harvest again, violate every single being in the galaxy on a genetic level, or commit galactic genocide.

With that said, however, I always pick destroy whether my Shepard is paragon or renegade simply because it was always my Shepard's goal. Anything else wouldn't be a victory. Since ME1 my Shep has been trying to destroy the Reapers, and now that he has that choice, he's not gonna pick anything else.

[Bill Casey]

Refuse = Paragon
Destroy = Renegade
Control = Very Renegade
Synthesis = Troll Shep

[Han Shot First]

I did, and my Shepard is a paragade.

I don't see it as being inconsistent however, as Destroy is the paragon choice. Control is renegade, even if there are now different versions of it post-EC depending on Shepard's overall morality.

Besides Anderson (a paragon) being the avatar of Destroy, on a Low EMS playthrough Destroy will be the only option available to a character that destroyed the Collector Base. (a paragon decision)

In contrast the Illusive Man (the ultimate renegade) is the avatar for Control, while on a Low EMS playthrough it is the only option available to a character that kept the Collector Base. (a renegade decision)

Synthesis is probably intended to be the middle of road between the paragon and renegade extremes of Destroy and Control.

Refuse is just moronic.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 01 avril 2013 - 07:17 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Yup, paragon Shepard, picked destroy.

"A good leader is someone who values the life of his men over the success of the mission, but understands that sometimes the cost of failing a mission is higher than the cost of losing those men." - Anderson

[Seival]

Paragon would never kill if he knows how to avoid it and still prevail... Paragon would never kill someone in such situation EVEN if a person(s) (no matter hostile or friendly) really deserves to die. Just look back at all Paragon choices. They are about avoiding bloodbaths, not about causing them.

Destroy is pure Renegade choice. Much worse than things TIM and Cerberus did.

Modifié par Seival, 01 avril 2013 - 08:10 .

[cerberus1701]

Reap_ii wrote...

Destory is paragon. its the only choice that is an actual solution to the problem.

[DeathNyx]

Seival wrote...

Paragon would never kill if he knows how to avoid it and still prevail... Paragon would never kill someone in such situation EVEN if a person(s) (no matter hostile of friendly) really deserves to die.

^ This

Personally i think Synthesis is paragon. Just think to Destroy Heretics (Renegade) and Rewrite the Heretics (Paragon). Anyway i chose Synthesis with my paragon Male Shepard. I left Destroy to my Paragade Femshep.

Modifié par DeathNyx, 01 avril 2013 - 08:18 .

[Han Shot First]

Seival wrote...

Paragon would never kill if he knows how to avoid it and still prevail... Paragon would never kill someone in such situation EVEN if a person(s) (no matter hostile of friendly) really deserves to die. Just look back at all Paragon choices. They are about avoiding bloodbaths, not about causing them.

Destroy is pure Renegade choice. Much worse than things TIM and Cerberus did.

Sorry, but no.

Besides Anderson (a paragon) being the avatar for Destroy and Destroy being the only choice available to a Low EMS Shep who destroyed the Collector Base (a paragon decision), it is also the only ending choice that truly accomplishes the mission. Why should killing the Reapers be avoided? That would be foolhardy.

Control and Synthesis are stalemate endings where an armistice is hammered out with the Reapers. The Reapers remain undefeated in the field of battle and maintain an entirely intact fleet, with which they could still annihilate the galaxy if they chose.Control and Synthesis require that the galaxy trusts that the Reapers won't someday destroy them.

Destroy in contrast annihilates the Reaper fleet, and as such is the only ending that can truly guarantee that galactic civilization will be safe from the Reapers for all time.

Control is choosing to become an absolute dictator over the galaxy. Certainly not a paragon decision.

[Bill Casey]

DeathNyx wrote...

Rewrite the Heretics (Paragon).

That wasn't Paragon either...
That was deplorable and sick...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 01 avril 2013 - 08:23 .

[CDR David Shepard]

DeathNyx wrote...

Seival wrote...

Paragon would never kill if he knows how to avoid it and still prevail... Paragon would never kill someone in such situation EVEN if a person(s) (no matter hostile of friendly) really deserves to die.

^ This

Personally i think Synthesis is paragon. Anyway i chose Synthesis with my paragon Male Shepard. I left Destroy to my Femshep Paragade.

Now I don't consider any option to be paragon or renegade.

What I want to know...is...how does Shepard making a "god-like" decision to change the DNA of every being (organic and synthetic) in the universe a "paragon" choice in your opinion?

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 01 avril 2013 - 08:25 .

[Seival]

Han Shot First wrote...

Seival wrote...

Paragon would never kill if he knows how to avoid it and still prevail... Paragon would never kill someone in such situation EVEN if a person(s) (no matter hostile of friendly) really deserves to die. Just look back at all Paragon choices. They are about avoiding bloodbaths, not about causing them.

Destroy is pure Renegade choice. Much worse than things TIM and Cerberus did.

Sorry, but no.

Besides Anderson (a paragon) being the avatar for Destroy and Destroy being the only choice available to a Low EMS Shep who destroyed the Collector Base (a paragon decision), it is also the only ending choice that truly accomplishes the mission. Why should killing the Reapers be avoided? That would be foolhardy.

Control and Synthesis are stalemate endings where an armistice is hammered out with the Reapers. The Reapers remain undefeated in the field of battle and maintain an entirely intact fleet, with which they could still annihilate the galaxy if they chose.Control and Synthesis require that the galaxy trusts that the Reapers won't someday destroy them.

Destroy in contrast annihilates the Reaper fleet, and as such is the only ending that can truly guarantee that galactic civilization will be safe from the Reapers for all time.

Control is choosing to become an absolute dictator over the galaxy. Certainly not a paragon decision.

Who told you that Anderson is pure Paragon or "Avatar" of Destroy? He is nothing like that. Who told you that destruction of Collector base is Paragon? Doing as TIM asks you doesn't automatically make the deed Renegade.

Renegade = destroying things and killing people even if there is a valid alternative.
Paragon = avoiding unneeded deaths and destruction.

Destroy = Renegade.
Refusal = Renegade.
Synthesis = Paragon.
Control is very complicated and has both Paragon and Renegade variants.

This is what the endings are.

[CDR David Shepard]

Seival wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Seival wrote...

Paragon would never kill if he knows how to avoid it and still prevail... Paragon would never kill someone in such situation EVEN if a person(s) (no matter hostile of friendly) really deserves to die. Just look back at all Paragon choices. They are about avoiding bloodbaths, not about causing them.

Destroy is pure Renegade choice. Much worse than things TIM and Cerberus did.

Sorry, but no.

Besides Anderson (a paragon) being the avatar for Destroy and Destroy being the only choice available to a Low EMS Shep who destroyed the Collector Base (a paragon decision), it is also the only ending choice that truly accomplishes the mission. Why should killing the Reapers be avoided? That would be foolhardy.

Control and Synthesis are stalemate endings where an armistice is hammered out with the Reapers. The Reapers remain undefeated in the field of battle and maintain an entirely intact fleet, with which they could still annihilate the galaxy if they chose.Control and Synthesis require that the galaxy trusts that the Reapers won't someday destroy them.

Destroy in contrast annihilates the Reaper fleet, and as such is the only ending that can truly guarantee that galactic civilization will be safe from the Reapers for all time.

Control is choosing to become an absolute dictator over the galaxy. Certainly not a paragon decision.

Who told you that Anderson is pure Paragon or "Avatar" of Destroy? He is nothing like that. Who told you that destruction of Collector base is Paragon? Doing as TIM asks you doesn't automatically make the deed Renegade.

Renegade = destroying things and killing people even if there is a valid alternative.
Paragon = avoiding unneeded deaths and destruction.

Destroy = Renegade.
Refusal = Renegade.
Synthesis = Paragon.
Control is very complicated and has both Paragon and Renegade variants.

This is what the endings are.

The choices are neither paragon nor renegade.

Don't fall for the indoctrination attempt.

[Admiral Lawson]

My paragon shep always picks destroy. From the beginning he set out to end the reapers. Destroy is the only way to actually end them. That was his mission. That was his decision.

Modifié par Admiral Lawson, 01 avril 2013 - 08:30 .

[DeathNyx]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

DeathNyx wrote...

Seival wrote...

Paragon would never kill if he knows how to avoid it and still prevail... Paragon would never kill someone in such situation EVEN if a person(s) (no matter hostile of friendly) really deserves to die.

^ This

Personally i think Synthesis is paragon. Anyway i chose Synthesis with my paragon Male Shepard. I left Destroy to my Femshep Paragade.

Now I don't consider any option to be paragon or renegade.

What I want to know...is...how does Shepard making a "god-like" decision to change the DNA of every being (organic and synthetic) in the universe a "paragon" choice in your opinion?

Yup because saving geths and EDI is like a paragon option. By sacrifice Edi and geths for the win you act like a ruthless Shepard without forget that if you don't have enough war assets for the best Destroy Ending is even worse.

[Liamv2]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Seival wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Seival wrote...

Paragon would never kill if he knows how to avoid it and still prevail... Paragon would never kill someone in such situation EVEN if a person(s) (no matter hostile of friendly) really deserves to die. Just look back at all Paragon choices. They are about avoiding bloodbaths, not about causing them.

Destroy is pure Renegade choice. Much worse than things TIM and Cerberus did.

Sorry, but no.

Besides Anderson (a paragon) being the avatar for Destroy and Destroy being the only choice available to a Low EMS Shep who destroyed the Collector Base (a paragon decision), it is also the only ending choice that truly accomplishes the mission. Why should killing the Reapers be avoided? That would be foolhardy.

Control and Synthesis are stalemate endings where an armistice is hammered out with the Reapers. The Reapers remain undefeated in the field of battle and maintain an entirely intact fleet, with which they could still annihilate the galaxy if they chose.Control and Synthesis require that the galaxy trusts that the Reapers won't someday destroy them.

Destroy in contrast annihilates the Reaper fleet, and as such is the only ending that can truly guarantee that galactic civilization will be safe from the Reapers for all time.

Control is choosing to become an absolute dictator over the galaxy. Certainly not a paragon decision.

Who told you that Anderson is pure Paragon or "Avatar" of Destroy? He is nothing like that. Who told you that destruction of Collector base is Paragon? Doing as TIM asks you doesn't automatically make the deed Renegade.

Renegade = destroying things and killing people even if there is a valid alternative.
Paragon = avoiding unneeded deaths and destruction.

Destroy = Renegade.
Refusal = Renegade.
Synthesis = Paragon.
Control is very complicated and has both Paragon and Renegade variants.

This is what the endings are.

The choices are neither paragon nor renegade.

Don't fall for the indoctrination attempt.

I agree with that part

[Sirzechs_Krios]

many players think that because its blue its paragon, i mean come on has no one played infamous 2 with that colour twist at the end

[Newschmoo]

My Shepard was a Paragon and I chose synthesis. My reasoning was that all the problems on Rannoch (and Legion's sacrifice) would have been for nothing and also it saved EDI, plus it would stop the cycle of chaos.

Have to admit though I then went back and did the ending again and chose destroy!

Modifié par Newschmoo, 01 avril 2013 - 08:33 .

[CDR David Shepard]

DeathNyx wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

DeathNyx wrote...

Seival wrote...

Paragon would never kill if he knows how to avoid it and still prevail... Paragon would never kill someone in such situation EVEN if a person(s) (no matter hostile of friendly) really deserves to die.

^ This

Personally i think Synthesis is paragon. Anyway i chose Synthesis with my paragon Male Shepard. I left Destroy to my Femshep Paragade.

Now I don't consider any option to be paragon or renegade.

What I want to know...is...how does Shepard making a "god-like" decision to change the DNA of every being (organic and synthetic) in the universe a "paragon" choice in your opinion?

Yup because saving geths and EDI is like a paragon option. By sacrifice Edi and geths for the win you act like a ruthless Shepard without forget that if you don't have enough war assets for the best Destroy Ending is even worse.

Saving EDI at the cost of the individuality of each and every race and being is extremely selfish to me.

To each their own.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 01 avril 2013 - 08:34 .

[Nelatherion]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

DeathNyx wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

DeathNyx wrote...

Seival wrote...

Paragon would never kill if he knows how to avoid it and still prevail... Paragon would never kill someone in such situation EVEN if a person(s) (no matter hostile of friendly) really deserves to die.

^ This

Personally i think Synthesis is paragon. Anyway i chose Synthesis with my paragon Male Shepard. I left Destroy to my Femshep Paragade.

Now I don't consider any option to be paragon or renegade.

What I want to know...is...how does Shepard making a "god-like" decision to change the DNA of every being (organic and synthetic) in the universe a "paragon" choice in your opinion?

Yup because saving geths and EDI is like a paragon option. By sacrifice Edi and geths for the win you act like a ruthless Shepard without forget that if you don't have enough war assets for the best Destroy Ending is even worse.

Saving EDI at the cost of the individuality of each and every race and being is extremely selfish to me.

To each their own.

Synthesis does not remove indivduality. There is no evidence for this, at all.

[Spartas Husky]

If you are a paragon... you pick destroy... course i did.