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[Pacifien]

Vigilant111 wrote...
There is no need to blow up the Crucible, the Crucible NEEDS the Catalyst for completion, the Catalyst has the final say about what the energy hits

No, apparently, Shepard has the final say on that.

[ghost9191]

none of the choices are paragon or renegade, they all have there downsides and upsides but if you choose any of them you aren't making a paragon or renegade choice. just which is lesser of 4 evils

and i try to choose right from wrong not blue from red. Differently since they try to confuse you, like destroying the collector base was seen as paragon, but if you destroy it and have low ems in me3 then you can only destroy, which is shown as red , renegade ppl might say. but if you control it (renegade) and then you can only control with low ems blue(paragon)

in short what i said at the beginning , there is no paragon or renegade. just what you believe is right , which none are right but it is war and in war there are sacrifices

[MoonsKisu]

Nerana wrote...

o/

Although I don't care if its paragorn or not. My shep set out to destroy the Reapers and that she did, no matter the cost.

^^this

[Vigilant111]

Pacifien wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...
There is no need to blow up the Crucible, the Crucible NEEDS the Catalyst for completion, the Catalyst has the final say about what the energy hits

No, apparently, Shepard has the final say on that.

What? Shepard doesn't have a say in the Geth and EDI's deaths, you can only AVOID destroy option, but u DO NOT get to decide what destroy does

[Joe1962]

I have always played 95% paragon and have always chose destroy.

I've never even watched the other endings on youtube (other than the refusal), as I have no interest in them.

[ghost9191]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...
There is no need to blow up the Crucible, the Crucible NEEDS the Catalyst for completion, the Catalyst has the final say about what the energy hits

No, apparently, Shepard has the final say on that.

What? Shepard doesn't have a say in the Geth and EDI's deaths, you can only AVOID destroy option, but u DO NOT get to decide what destroy does

destroy does what it was built to do ? destroy and control are the options from the crucible, what it was designed to do, only one that is influenced by the catalyst is synthesis.

the geth should've picked up on it , noticed the the destroy would target reaper tech which they have. that and i am not sure if the geth were completely destroyed or just went back to before they had the upgrades. bastards couldn't put a slide in that shows them destroyed or something. destroy really lacked for closure on some parts, buit that is a different topic

[BDelacroix]

Plenty, I'm sure. I did.

[yeldarbnotned]

Shepard was a commander in the Alliance under orders to take out the Reapers. The Reapers personified evil and had no redeeming value. Shepard was convinced they needed to be annihilated from the universe.

My Shepard would never of been so arrogant as to think she could control them. She was not obsessed with power, nor did she have delusions of Godhood. She had just pleaded minutes beforehand with the Illusive Man that control was insane.

Nor did she believe that synthesis was a step up for humanity. She felt that was just creepy, plus it was basically what the Starchild wanted all along!

[Pacifien]

Vigilant111 wrote...
What? Shepard doesn't have a say in the Geth and EDI's deaths, you can only AVOID destroy option, but u DO NOT get to decide what destroy does

Do you think the Catalyst wanted to destroy itself?

[CronoDragoon]

I destroy the Reapers for the same reason I kill vampires. Let those poor souls rest in peace.

[AresKeith]

there is no paragon or renegade with the endings, its just RBG and Refuse

[Vigilant111]

Pacifien wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...
What? Shepard doesn't have a say in the Geth and EDI's deaths, you can only AVOID destroy option, but u DO NOT get to decide what destroy does

Do you think the Catalyst wanted to destroy itself?

*Sensing a trap, does not compute

Yeah of course, so that Shepard can carry out its visions, Catalyst needs to be used for completion of the Crucible so that destroy, control and synthesis can be carried out

Modifié par Vigilant111, 05 juillet 2012 - 03:28 .

[sharkboy421]

I always play paragon and always pick destroy. Though I think all the choices are horrid and dislike the entire situation, but destroy is the only one that really makes sense to me.

[tyrvas]

Paragon FemShep destroyed the Reapers.
All my allies agreed on this, we had to eliminate the threat.
Fight fire with fire.

[LadyMarisa]

batej wrote...



So, a question, paragon players - do you consider Destroy ending to be a renegade option?

Nope. I played a mostly Paragon Shepard throught the game(s), starting in ME1. The ultimate goal  (how I interpreted it) was to destroy the Reapers. While I loathe the way the "choices" were presented, Destroy was the only option that ft how I'd been playing. Control/Synthesis seemed to go against many of the others things I'd achieved or the lesser plots I perceived and while the idea of refusal is very appealing, the way it played out felt like a slap to the face so it didn't feel like it fit either. I don't care that my choice was colored Renegae Red, it still seemed like Destroy was the only option that my Shepard could live (or die) with.

[corporal doody]

yes...my paragon shep chose it. no it is not a renegade choice.

can you really trust the catalyst....or the Reapers...do you really think you can control them? is it right to impose your will on the ENTIRE GALAXY? refuse means resist and die.....or risk life to see an end to it all by "pushing a button". it is unfortunate that EDI and the GETH had to "DIE"...but there is faith they arent truely completely dead....if so...we will do better with their progeny

Modifié par corporal doody, 05 juillet 2012 - 03:38 .

[Mulehorn117]

andy69156915 wrote...

Me too. Anderson has always been pure paragon, and destroy was his choice too.

Co sign.

[garrusfan1]

Destroy to me seemed like a borderline paragon decision since you did what you were supposed to but knew about the consequences. But control is renegade and synthesis was I don't know. Destroy was the closes to a paragon decision I always play as a paragon shep and choose destroy

[Pacifien]

Vigilant111 wrote...
Yeah of course, so that Shepard can carry out its visions, Catalyst needs to be used for completion of the Crucible so that destroy, control and synthesis can be carried out

I don't think Destroy is in the Catalyst's vision seeing as it was designed to broker peace between synthetics and organics and it basically tells you that Destroy won't solve the problem.

However, it does give Shepard the option to Destroy it because it realizes its solution is going to be met with the ingenuity of the organics producing something like the Crucible to combat it, even if it takes several cycles for them to achieve their goal. Its solution wasn't a solution afterall.

I don't think it wanted to be terminated, though, because it still hadn't fulfilled its task.

[Pacifien]

garrusfan1 wrote...
Destroy to me seemed like a borderline paragon decision since you did what you were supposed to but knew about the consequences.

By that logic, I certainly hope no one ever gives me any grief for letting the Destiny Ascension fend for itself or choosing to destroy the Heretics. Because I did was I was supposed to, but knew about the consequences.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I can imagine one of my renegade Shepards to select control, but in the end I decided against it. Keeping a race of the most violent and near indestructible predators in history alive doesn't sound like a good plan to me. Especially because they reproduce by cyclical genocide to keep them on top of the food chain. The reapers are not the solution. They are the problem. Better to pull the plug. Unfortunately that also kills the synthetics, but the game doesn't give me another rational choice.

[zambingo]

Destroy all day, every day.

The united forces of the Galaxy were fighting for self determination. Destroy is the only option that delivers. Every cycle-race was in, everyone knew there would be loses and that there had already been loses.

Control = Become God
Synthesis = Reaper Doctrine
Destroy = Win

If you pay attention to EDI, Legion and his Legionaries (The Geth) throughout the series than you know they also want self determination. EDI would destroy the Reapers. So would Legion... after he debated about it for ten years and then asked Shepard to decide for him.

[Jovian09]

I picked Control, and I seem to be in the minority. I put too much effort into validating the EDI and the geth as valid, living beings. And though they would see the Reapers destroyed, I do not believe their right to "self determination" is being respected if I choose to destroy them outright. Legion fought to the end for the survival of his people, and my paragon Shep was a champion of that cause. I believe that destroying the geth along with the Reapers is wrong when there is a harder option available that saves them all -- committing genocide is exactly what we're fighting against, so if I do that to every synthetic life then I'm no better than the reapers.

Besides, if Shepard controls them, he can still destroy them without using the crucible.

Just my view.

[ghost9191]

according to bioware the geth and edi aren't alive until synthesis

and if the quarians destroyed the geth over rannoch then my shep doesn't commit genocide so ha

[Iakus]

As a paragon, I choose Destroy and feel awful about it. But I find the other options even worse.

No, the choices are not inherently paragon or renegade. They are all, however, repugnant.