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[mauro2222]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Uh huh. And if they had said the opposite, you'd be screaming about how the "news media" is terrible and can be bought, and EA is the devil.

Just look at that Forbes thread from yesterday. Several people who were still butthurt were praising Forbes for agreeing with them while saying "Ha ha, let's see what that trash IGN has to say NOW!"

It's the mentality of people like you that I find fascinating. "If you agree with me, you're beyond reproach. If you disagree with me, you're a paid shill and THE DEVIL!"

Hahahaha! this guy is paranoic.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Vaktathi wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

If
you feel insulted by the Reject ending you really need to grow
up.

One will notice that it's not just people here that feel
that way, several news articles have pointed out that it appears to be a
swipe at the playerbase.

And McDonalds has over two billion served. Fox News says Obama is a Socialist. What in the bleeding hells is your point?

The point was that the perception of the refusal ending as a swipe at the playerbase is not limted to butthurt players. Even if it's not, there's enough there, especially given Bioware's very passive-aggressive attitude to this whole event, to make it appear so even to non-stakeholders.

Two months ago: "F YOU BUYOWARE! WHY U NO GIVE US OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF!"

Today: "F YOU BUYOWARE! THE OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF IS A MIDDLE FINGER TO US ALL AND A SLAP IN THE FAVCE AND OTHER BAD THINGS TOO!"

Good. Effing. Grief.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Heads-up, Allan is acting in the same capacity as we are as fans of ME. If I recall correctly he has commented on the endings and critiqued parts as well (shocked me considering you know... he is employed by them). When you throw a temper tantrum at him to show your righteous fury towards Bioware... well, you're the one that looks silly.

On topic. I kinda got a sick feeling after doing reject, although I agree it is a legitimate option. It does pave the way for the next cycle to conventially destroy the reapers. Everyone you know is dead. But life goes on unmolested by the effects of the Crucible. If you are looking for bittersweet, that one delivers better than the rest besides destroy. Control's eternalshep is creepy, and Steve the Sentient Husk is an abomination in synthesis

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 27 juin 2012 - 08:43 .

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Hawk227 wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Umm, nowhere it was said they used a crucible. Headcanon?
And why would they use it if it didn't work?
Lets not speculate ok?

BTW, I would like to point out again, that if cycle completed "as usual", Asari should be harvested 100%. How come you see Asari as Stargazer?

The stargazer says that didn't have to fight a war (cuz they had a superweapon), more importanly Mike Gamble confirmed it on twitter (and Jessica Merizan on the BSN...Somwhere).

Stargazer says about that they didn't have to fight a war, but nothing about superweapon.
And, twitter is not canon. Only ingame stuff is canon. I've lost count of times that they said something on twitter that was a blatant contradiction to what actually later was revealed ingame. Especially persons you've mentioned.

[Father_Jerusalem]

mauro2222 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Uh huh. And if they had said the opposite, you'd be screaming about how the "news media" is terrible and can be bought, and EA is the devil.

Just look at that Forbes thread from yesterday. Several people who were still butthurt were praising Forbes for agreeing with them while saying "Ha ha, let's see what that trash IGN has to say NOW!"

It's the mentality of people like you that I find fascinating. "If you agree with me, you're beyond reproach. If you disagree with me, you're a paid shill and THE DEVIL!"

Hahahaha! this guy is paranoic.

You misspelled "factual". It's okay, everyone makes a typo from time to time.

[Dusen]

Etereoooo wrote...

1.9 GB....where the **** did they put them?

That's what I've been wondering. Even with the cutscenes that were added they shouldn't have taken up this much room, especially since a lot of them are basically powerpoint slides.

[Dragoonlordz]

mrcanada wrote...

I'm not grasping at straws.  The words are there and if you are saying they aren't, you are dillisional.

I will state it again below... It refers to your thread, your percieved insult. Not whether there was subtitles.

Your looking for something that is not there (insult). It is merely based on your own state of mind making assumptions without facts about the intentions of another group. Nothing said will convince you otherwise because your so close minded and refuse to accept the fact they told you they did not.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 27 juin 2012 - 08:44 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Vaktathi wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Uh huh. And if they had said the opposite, you'd be screaming about how the "news media" is terrible and can be bought, and EA is the devil.

Just look at that Forbes thread from yesterday. Several people who were still butthurt were praising Forbes for agreeing with them while saying "Ha ha, let's see what that trash IGN has to say NOW!"

It's the mentality of people like you that I find fascinating. "If you agree with me, you're beyond reproach. If you disagree with me, you're a paid shill and THE DEVIL!"

And now you are putting words in people's mouths.

It's not so much me "putting words in people's mouths" as it is "people have said these things and count on everyone in the world having terrible memories and not being able to remember things they said less than 24 hours ago when they try to deny it later".

So, you were close... but not quite there.

[RiouHotaru]

mauro2222 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Synthesis essentially ends the conflict by allowing both sides to be equally matched in terms of the qualities.  (Organics gain the advantages of synthetics, while synthetics gain the awareness and understanding that only organics have).  How this is even remotely like Eugenics when it make EVERYONE equal is a little beyond me.

Synthesis implies that differences are bad and that's why there is war.

And this doesn't end the conflict, everyone is still going to enter in conflict with everyone, we don't have the synthetics vs organics but hybrids vs hybrids. The catalyst is not only insane but also lacks any kind of understanding and any kind of learning capability.

It implies that Synthetics and Organics would come into conflict because there's no way for the two to come to a full understanding of each other.  Which is true.  That lack of understanding is what caused the Quarians to try and KILL the geth.  And your thing about ending conflict is at odds with the ending, which states otherwise.

[mauro2222]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You misspelled "factual". It's okay, everyone makes a typo from time to time.

Ah... everytime putting words in people's mouth, everytime putting everyone in the same bag, everytime using stereotypes to define people. You're a nice person.

And to make it more perfect, you're never wrong.

[Wulfram]

Reject is considerably more positive than it needed to be

[Raging Nug]

Thaa_solon wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

Maybe Allen can answer a crucial question I have

Why all the lies/false statments from the ME team?

You will have to ask a member of the ME developer team then.
Allen is not part of the ME Team, therefore he is just another fan like us if we are talking about ME

My guess is that they work in the same building

He can take a short stroll and ask them 

There's no answer he can give you that'll make you happy. For whatever reason, you feel like you've been deceived. I don't feel deceived, and in fact I feel quite content with the Extended Cut. At some point you've just got to buck up and accept that you're disappointed and either keep playing anyway or move on.

[Father_Jerusalem]

mauro2222 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You misspelled "factual". It's okay, everyone makes a typo from time to time.

Ah... everytime putting words in people's mouth, everytime putting everyone in the same bag, everytime using stereotypes to define people. You're a nice person.

And to make it more perfect, you're never wrong.

If you don't want to be put in the same bag, do something to show you don't deserve to be put in that bag.

Acting like a snotty brat is NOT, however, the way to be taken out of the Snotty Brats bag.

[Vaktathi]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

If
you feel insulted by the Reject ending you really need to grow
up.

One will notice that it's not just people here that feel
that way, several news articles have pointed out that it appears to be a
swipe at the playerbase.

And McDonalds has over two billion served. Fox News says Obama is a Socialist. What in the bleeding hells is your point?

The point was that the perception of the refusal ending as a swipe at the playerbase is not limted to butthurt players. Even if it's not, there's enough there, especially given Bioware's very passive-aggressive attitude to this whole event, to make it appear so even to non-stakeholders.

Two months ago: "F YOU BUYOWARE! WHY U NO GIVE US OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF!"

Today: "F YOU BUYOWARE! THE OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF IS A MIDDLE FINGER TO US ALL AND A SLAP IN THE FAVCE AND OTHER BAD THINGS TOO!"

Good. Effing. Grief.

You seem very mad about people being mad, and somehow completely missing what people are saying

In before: You're all retarded/entitled/whiney/brattery/etc and/or "I get it but your all stupid for it anyway".


Looking at your posts, you seem oddly dedicated to attacking anything that doesn't like the way Bioware handled ME3 without exception, why don't you take a break. I did.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 27 juin 2012 - 08:51 .

[mauro2222]

RiouHotaru wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Synthesis essentially ends the conflict by allowing both sides to be equally matched in terms of the qualities.  (Organics gain the advantages of synthetics, while synthetics gain the awareness and understanding that only organics have).  How this is even remotely like Eugenics when it make EVERYONE equal is a little beyond me.

Synthesis implies that differences are bad and that's why there is war.

And this doesn't end the conflict, everyone is still going to enter in conflict with everyone, we don't have the synthetics vs organics but hybrids vs hybrids. The catalyst is not only insane but also lacks any kind of understanding and any kind of learning capability.

It implies that Synthetics and Organics would come into conflict because there's no way for the two to come to a full understanding of each other.  Which is true.  That lack of understanding is what caused the Quarians to try and KILL the geth.  And your thing about ending conflict is at odds with the ending, which states otherwise.

The quarians attacked the geth out of fear, fear of losing their working hand by allowing them to be aware of their social status, slaves, they had fear to the future reaction. That can be simply corrected by being tolerant and open. The catalyst is directly responsable for such lack of understanding, he's the one giving such technology to species not ready for it. If anything he's the one who pushes organics to have fear of their own creations.

[Sc2mashimaro]

 "seems like a personal insult"? That sounds like a bit of over-sensitivity. "I reject your choices" seems like a legitimate option that allows the story to resolve the Reaper conflict via in-story elements (Liara's archive of information) for those that felt like the three choices were reprehensible. It also contains a little Easter Egg for those who felt the choices were a Reaper "trap" and/or that Indoctrination was afoot. An insult? More like throwing us a bone! It made me chuckle, because I activated it on accident by shooting the star-kid... so, you can also shoot the star-kid now, just fyi. Ha!

[flanny]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

If
you feel insulted by the Reject ending you really need to grow
up.

One will notice that it's not just people here that feel
that way, several news articles have pointed out that it appears to be a
swipe at the playerbase.

And McDonalds has over two billion served. Fox News says Obama is a Socialist. What in the bleeding hells is your point?

The point was that the perception of the refusal ending as a swipe at the playerbase is not limted to butthurt players. Even if it's not, there's enough there, especially given Bioware's very passive-aggressive attitude to this whole event, to make it appear so even to non-stakeholders.

Two months ago: "F YOU BUYOWARE! WHY U NO GIVE US OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF!"

Today: "F YOU BUYOWARE! THE OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF IS A MIDDLE FINGER TO US ALL AND A SLAP IN THE FAVCE AND OTHER BAD THINGS TOO!"

Good. Effing. Grief.

Yes. That's the problem, the fans asked for another ending (one that would make sense) and Bioware specifically made it to look bad and insult the fans who questioned their ending 

[Dragoonlordz]

Vaktathi wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Two months ago: "F YOU BUYOWARE! WHY U NO GIVE US OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF!"

Today: "F YOU BUYOWARE! THE OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF IS A MIDDLE FINGER TO US ALL AND A SLAP IN THE FAVCE AND OTHER BAD THINGS TOO!"

Good. Effing. Grief.

You seem very mad about people being mad, and somehow completely missing what people are saying

In before: You're all retarded/entitled/whiney/brattery/etc and/or "I get it but your all stupid for it anyway".

I will sum it up for you, a thread whining about the fact some people feel insulted and making the giant mistake of because they feel insulted they assume insult was intended. It was not and the thread is pointless and redundant because it is impossible to convince you they did not set out to insult you even though they have already said did not. Stop confusing your state of mind with their intentions.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 27 juin 2012 - 08:53 .

[frylock23]

wryterra wrote...

Directly responding to players who wanted Shepard to reject the false-choice offered by the Starchild, now you can do just that. I was thrilled to see it.

When the option starts and Shepard straightens up, speaks confidently, rejects the Starchild, vows to fight to a conventional victory or to die free I thought 'hell yeah, this is how it should end'. 

And then, well... 

There's an old RPG saying 'rocks fall, everyone dies'. It's used to describe that moment when the GM (guy running the game and telling the story) gets frustrated with his players and just kills them all off to get it over with. That's how it felt. Rocks fell and everyone died. You just die. Like that.

It's the shortest ending with the least effort put into it. It's also ... well, kind of flawed. So we see Liara's time-capsule burried deep under the planet Joker landed the Normandy on after withdrawing from the Catalyst explosion. Just one problem, reject the Catalyst's choices and there was no explosion. So why did the Normandy end up there? 

It's like Casey and Mac specifically telling those of us who believed Shepard would stand up to the Starchild, as she stood up to every enemy before, Saren, TIM, Sovreign, Harbinger and tell them 'NO!' that they're angry we didn't like their ending. 

Starchild's angry 'SO BE IT!' comes across as the writers' anger that we found their ending insufficient. 

To put it bluntly: If this were in here to satisfy players then the ending would be based on EMS. Low EMS and you're wiped out by the Reapers without hope. High enough, though and you win your conventional victory. And either way you'd get more than Liara's time capsule in a cave there's no logical reason for it to be in saying 'it didn't work, we died, hope you guys do better'. 

Honestly, this is my problem with the EC. It actually makes the other three endings endings I can accept, if not truly like. The closure slides I like. I'd have walked away disappointed but no longer angry. Now, though, I just feel like Casey and Mac have offered me a 1.9GB insult trashing my belief in Shepard as a character. 

Thanks, guys. 

You want me to buy into what your cute little avatar is telling me ... make him credible. BioWare had two chances to do this and they failed both times. There is nothing about this character to make him credible or trustworthy and everything that drives me to reject what he says. He's the freakin' Reaper Overlord and is pretty much insane and his dialogue only made that clearer in the EC.

What real reason do you have to believe that any of the options he presents you do any of the things he tells you that they will? He also tells you that synthetics will inevitably destroy all organics too, but he provides nothing to back up that assertion. And if it had ever happened, you wouldn't be standing there, you'd be extinct.

Explain to me again why I should be trusting this guy and taking his Faustian bargains at face value?

[Vaktathi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Two months ago: "F YOU BUYOWARE! WHY U NO GIVE US OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF!"

Today: "F YOU BUYOWARE! THE OPTION TO TELL STARBRAT TO F OFF IS A MIDDLE FINGER TO US ALL AND A SLAP IN THE FAVCE AND OTHER BAD THINGS TOO!"

Good. Effing. Grief.

You seem very mad about people being mad, and somehow completely missing what people are saying

In before: You're all retarded/entitled/whiney/brattery/etc and/or "I get it but your all stupid for it anyway".

I will sum it up for you, a thread whining about the fact some people feel insulted and making the giant mistake of because they feel insulted they assume insult was intended. It was not and the thread is pointless and redundant because it is impossible to convince you they did not set out to insult you even though they have already said did not. Stop confusing your state of mind with their intentions.

I said that it gives that appearance and that other, non-stakeholders had noticed that as well, not that it definitely is. Given the very passive-aggressive reponse Bioware had to this, especially back in March, it's hard to blame people for seeing it that way.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 27 juin 2012 - 08:57 .

[mauro2222]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You misspelled "factual". It's okay, everyone makes a typo from time to time.

Ah... everytime putting words in people's mouth, everytime putting everyone in the same bag, everytime using stereotypes to define people. You're a nice person.

And to make it more perfect, you're never wrong.

If you don't want to be put in the same bag, do something to show you don't deserve to be put in that bag.

Acting like a snotty brat is NOT, however, the way to be taken out of the Snotty Brats bag.

You're using flying ideas to support your own delusions in order to have a justification to be agressive. The guy you quoted used an outside source of information to prove that BSN is no the only place that caught the "passive agressive" tone of the fourth ending. You transformed that into a paranoic conspiracy of people hating EA and IGN.

I've never said I didn't wanted to be put in the same bag, your opinion of my personality is something I don't care to hear or read, I said you put everyone in the same bag.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Vaktathi wrote...

You seem very mad about people being mad, and somehow completely missing what people are saying

In before: You're all retarded/entitled/whiney/brattery/etc and/or "I get it but your all stupid for it anyway".


Looking at your posts, you seem oddly dedicated to attacking anything that doesn't like the way Bioware handled ME3 without exception, why don't you take a break. I did.

I'm not actually mad, and I'm not actually missing anything you're saying. I also don't care if you didn't/still don't like the endings.

It's when you **** and moan and scream to the high heavens about how BioWare despises you, personally, even after they listen to you and give you what you ask for, that I simply throw my hands up in the air.

Calling the reject ending a "personal insult" is so far beyond the pale of rational thinking that it borders on intense narcissistic personality disorder.

[flanny]

RiouHotaru wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Synthesis essentially ends the conflict by allowing both sides to be equally matched in terms of the qualities.  (Organics gain the advantages of synthetics, while synthetics gain the awareness and understanding that only organics have).  How this is even remotely like Eugenics when it make EVERYONE equal is a little beyond me.

Synthesis implies that differences are bad and that's why there is war.

And this doesn't end the conflict, everyone is still going to enter in conflict with everyone, we don't have the synthetics vs organics but hybrids vs hybrids. The catalyst is not only insane but also lacks any kind of understanding and any kind of learning capability.

It implies that Synthetics and Organics would come into conflict because there's no way for the two to come to a full understanding of each other.  Which is true.  That lack of understanding is what caused the Quarians to try and KILL the geth.  And your thing about ending conflict is at odds with the ending, which states otherwise.

it's not true the catalyst  said the the created would always turn on their creators. the Geth simply acted in self defence and once there was no longer a danger the geth stopped. Only when directed by the reapers did the geth ever take any action against organics. 

[N172]

Well, if it is meant to be an insult then it backfired severely, because it surpasses the Non-EC-ending in nearly every way...

Modifié par N172, 27 juin 2012 - 09:02 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

flanny wrote...



Yes. That's the problem, the fans asked for another ending (one that would make sense) and Bioware specifically made it to look bad and insult the fans who questioned their ending 

They made it look bad because going it alone and fighting the Reapers conventionally is utter suicide. There is no possible way you can win.

If rationality is "insulting" to you, then, frankly, you have bigger problems.