Mythx88 wrote...
Isn't it stupid that the Crucible isn't some practical reaper destroying weapan? Instead it's some space magic machine that is turned on in the stupidest possible ways.
I mean you turn it on by SHOOTING A TUBE / JUMPING INTO A BEAM / VAPORIZING YOURSELF.
Then space magic takes care of the rest.
Mythx88 wrote...
If you choose Refuse, then you should be able to fight the reapers conventionally with your fleets and destroy them with high EMS.
Modifié par Bill Casey, 27 juin 2012 - 05:56 .
Modifié par Bomma72, 27 juin 2012 - 06:03 .
Modifié par jules_vern18, 27 juin 2012 - 06:04 .
jules_vern18 wrote...
Low EMS: You stand helplessly and watch your fleet be destroyed. Scene plays out as normal.
High EMS: You and the remnants of the fleet escape on the normandy and the rest of galactic civilization is destroyed. With the help of Javik and Liara, you and a few hundred/thousand refugees hole up in stasis pods Ilos-style.
Max EMS: tens of thousands of years later, the surviving stasis pods open up and you and crew - despite having lost everything they have - survive to warn and help the next civilizations find another way to defeat the reapers.
This WOULD NOT have been hard to include and wouldn't have done anything to Bioware's current canon endings. Coulda made (almost) everyone happy. Making this ending so insubstantial instead is why it feels like such an insult, even if it wasn't intended to be.
Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 27 juin 2012 - 06:15 .
JBPBRC wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Low EMS: You stand helplessly and watch your fleet be destroyed. Scene plays out as normal.
High EMS: You and the remnants of the fleet escape on the normandy and the rest of galactic civilization is destroyed. With the help of Javik and Liara, you and a few hundred/thousand refugees hole up in stasis pods Ilos-style.
Max EMS: tens of thousands of years later, the surviving stasis pods open up and you and crew - despite having lost everything they have - survive to warn and help the next civilizations find another way to defeat the reapers.
This WOULD NOT have been hard to include and wouldn't have done anything to Bioware's current canon endings. Coulda made (almost) everyone happy. Making this ending so insubstantial instead is why it feels like such an insult, even if it wasn't intended to be.
Javik: THIS TIME, AFTER 100,000 YEARS...VENGEANACE WILL BE MINE!
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Well you got the big reveal in the refusal ending.
The big reveal: Starbrat = Harbinger. As if we didn't know that.
First, if BW had followed the lore there would have been 12.5 years to prepare, not 3.5 yrs after ME1. And if the Council had IQs higher than chimpanzees they would have been preparing after Sovereign. The would have mean bigger guns and lots of them. Not those tiny thanix cannons. I'm talking big ****ing thanix cannons, and Sovereign class hull armor and shields. When it comes to survival deficits don't matter.
Yes and I've played back in the day with a group and we had a GM so pissed off because we found the exit to his dungeon and went in and got to the treasure and out without even seeing the dungeon boss, without tripping one single alarm, without being seen by anyone. So what happened? We were like level 6. On our way back to the village he made a "random encounter" with this ancient red dragon who was supposed to kill us. As my character was dying, I screamed for my character's god, rolled 100, and the god and minions killed the dragon resurrected the dead in the party, and the GM stomped out of the house and went home.
wryterra wrote...
I am arguing that if they're going to give us the reject choice they do it better than this, in a way that doesn't strike me personally as insultingly dismissive.
jules_vern18 wrote...
Low EMS: You stand helplessly and watch your fleet be destroyed. Scene plays out as normal.
High EMS: You and the remnants of the fleet escape on the normandy and the rest of galactic civilization is destroyed. With the help of Javik and Liara, you and a few hundred/thousand refugees hole up in stasis pods Ilos-style.
Max EMS: tens of thousands of years later, the surviving stasis pods open up and you and crew - despite having lost everything they have - survive to warn and help the next civilizations find another way to defeat the reapers.
This WOULD NOT have been hard to include and wouldn't have done anything to Bioware's current canon endings. Coulda made (almost) everyone happy. Making this ending so insubstantial instead is why it feels like such an insult, even if it wasn't intended to be.
Allan Schumacher wrote...
wryterra wrote...
I am arguing that if they're going to give us the reject choice they do it better than this, in a way that doesn't strike me personally as insultingly dismissive.
Just to be clear, would you have preferred there to be no refuse option at all, to what was provided?
It IS shorter, but is it really dismissive? If it was just to be a shot at the fanbase, wouldn't it have been better to just say "oh well you lose" and wrap it up there?
Instead we get a video showing Liara talking about our past experiences and even get a unique sequence with a Stargazer where Shepard's legacy lives on based on what the future cycle learned from all of his hard work.
In fact, even with the refuse ending, the galaxy is still ultimately able to break free of the Reapers and largely holds Shepard responsible for being able to do so.
Allan Schumacher wrote...
wryterra wrote...
I am arguing that if they're going to give us the reject choice they do it better than this, in a way that doesn't strike me personally as insultingly dismissive.
Just to be clear, would you have preferred there to be no refuse option at all, to what was provided?
It IS shorter, but is it really dismissive? If it was just to be a shot at the fanbase, wouldn't it have been better to just say "oh well you lose" and wrap it up there?
Instead we get a video showing Liara talking about our past experiences and even get a unique sequence with a Stargazer where Shepard's legacy lives on based on what the future cycle learned from all of his hard work.
In fact, even with the refuse ending, the galaxy is still ultimately able to break free of the Reapers and largely holds Shepard responsible for being able to do so.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2012 - 06:37 .
I think given many of the initial responses to the issue back in March, which, to be fair, were rather passive-aggressive, it shouldn't come as a surprise that players interpret it as a shot at the fanbase, more than one article in the gaming press has picked up on that idea as well.Allan Schumacher wrote...
wryterra wrote...
I am arguing that if they're going to give us the reject choice they do it better than this, in a way that doesn't strike me personally as insultingly dismissive.
Just to be clear, would you have preferred there to be no refuse option at all, to what was provided?
It IS shorter, but is it really dismissive? If it was just to be a shot at the fanbase, wouldn't it have been better to just say "oh well you lose" and wrap it up there?
Instead we get a video showing Liara talking about our past experiences and even get a unique sequence with a Stargazer where Shepard's legacy lives on based on what the future cycle learned from all of his hard work.
In fact, even with the refuse ending, the galaxy is still ultimately able to break free of the Reapers and largely holds Shepard responsible for being able to do so.
Modifié par jsamlaw, 27 juin 2012 - 06:41 .
Allan Schumacher wrote...
Just to be clear, would you have preferred there to be no refuse option at all, to what was provided?
Modifié par thefallen2far, 27 juin 2012 - 06:44 .
Wilkco wrote...
One thing they could have done to make it better for the high ems guys is an extended part that shows a level down with some statis pods with sheppards and his crews name on it
Now that would have been cool
Allan Schumacher wrote...
wryterra wrote...
I am arguing that if they're going to give us the reject choice they do it better than this, in a way that doesn't strike me personally as insultingly dismissive.
Just to be clear, would you have preferred there to be no refuse option at all, to what was provided?
It IS shorter, but is it really dismissive? If it was just to be a shot at the fanbase, wouldn't it have been better to just say "oh well you lose" and wrap it up there?
Instead we get a video showing Liara talking about our past experiences and even get a unique sequence with a Stargazer where Shepard's legacy lives on based on what the future cycle learned from all of his hard work.
In fact, even with the refuse ending, the galaxy is still ultimately able to break free of the Reapers and largely holds Shepard responsible for being able to do so.
Stevebo wrote...
Oransel wrote...
JohnTheJohn wrote...
Why is it an insult, it was obvious the Reapers weren't gonna be destroyed without the crucible.
No, it was not.
It actually was, how many times do they have to tell you during the game that the reapers could not be beaten conventionally until you start to believe it? And then they throw this giant plot device right in your face....
Personal insult? I think some of you need to really get over yourselves.
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