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[mauro2222]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Synthesis essentially ends the conflict by allowing both sides to be equally matched in terms of the qualities.  (Organics gain the advantages of synthetics, while synthetics gain the awareness and understanding that only organics have).  How this is even remotely like Eugenics when it make EVERYONE equal is a little beyond me.

Synthesis implies that differences are bad and that's why there is war.

And this doesn't end the conflict, everyone is still going to enter in conflict with everyone, we don't have the synthetics vs organics but hybrids vs hybrids. The catalyst is not only insane but also lacks any kind of understanding and any kind of learning capability.

Modifié par mauro2222, 27 juin 2012 - 08:33 .

[mrcanada]

Sauruz wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

You're missing the point.  Whether they got his actor or not to do it, it is Harbringer speaking to you there and in the Refusal ending.  That was the whole reason this was brought up.

How do you know it's Harbinger's voice in the Refusal ending? It doesn't sound like Harbinger's voice at all. Is the weird noise Harbinger makes before supposed to establish that Harbinger's voice has changed? Why would they do that? Why wouldn't they get Harbinger's original voice actor? This is getting ridiculously far-fetched.

What's far fetched is that you think it isn't talking to you when it's only Shepard and Harbringer in the scene. 

And what does he want to tell Shepard exactly? Why wouldn't he speak clearly if he wanted to tell Shepard something? Why would he tell Shepard anything, anyway? Why wouldn't they get Harbinger's original voice actor to do the Catalyst's line?
It's just a weird, unintelligible noise that's supposed to sound like a Reaper. They've used the Reaper horn a little too often so they tried something slightly different.

Subtitles, use them in game.

[spacefiddle]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Frankly your post was rude and pretentious, magnified by the fact that you demonstrated you actually didn't actually understand what I was asking and tried to be witty about it with "False <point>" to open your statements.

As you say, I am asking several direct questions to clarify your position to me.  You did not answer any of them.  I'm sorry if you felt I was being rude to you; also as you say, if someone is determined to see something... in what way do you feel my analysis was rude?  As far as pretentious goes, are you really telling us that "would you rather have had nothing," when 3 months of discussion on what we'd rather have exist, is anything other than a slightly rude deflection?

[Father_Jerusalem]

UWxMaserati wrote...

Wait, just thinking...

Liara's project saved the next cycle... The Asari had the Prothean VI on Thessia all those years and it knew about the Reapers and helped them become such an advanced race. Why wouldn't the Asari have seen this coming?

You don't pay attention at all, do you?

The VI was inaccessable to directly inteface with without the Cipher.

[flanny]

Shallyah wrote...

If you feel insulted by the Reject ending you really need to grow up.

I find it's my favourite one, only after Destroy.

Yes, the cycle continues, but thanks to Shepard's actions, the Reapers are stopped in next Cycle, and even through the races of Shepard's cycle are harvested, you made your stand, and lived by your principles until the last moment, even when it meant your demise. It's about a thosuand better ending than, for example, Synthesis.

The Reapers have harvested thousands of races, 6 more or less don't change anything. It just takes balls to choose the Reject ending and see the bigger picture. Seriously, you all "insulted" people, I feel much more insulted by your lack of intelligence and I'm not making threads about it.

i think you're missing the point, people like the idea of the ending, but feel that rather than expanding on it in the same way as the other endings they set it up a insult 

[TobiTobsen]

Thaa_solon wrote...

Maybe Allen can answer a crucial question I have

Why all the lies/false statments from the ME team?

You will have to ask a member of the ME developer team then.
Allen is not part of the ME Team, therefore he is just another fan like us if we are talking about ME

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 27 juin 2012 - 08:33 .

[Dragoonlordz]

mrcanada wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

You're missing the point.  Whether they got his actor or not to do it, it is Harbringer speaking to you there and in the Refusal ending.  That was the whole reason this was brought up.

How do you know it's Harbinger's voice in the Refusal ending? It doesn't sound like Harbinger's voice at all. Is the weird noise Harbinger makes before supposed to establish that Harbinger's voice has changed? Why would they do that? Why wouldn't they get Harbinger's original voice actor? This is getting ridiculously far-fetched.

What's far fetched is that you think it isn't talking to you when it's only Shepard and Harbringer in the scene. 

And what does he want to tell Shepard exactly? Why wouldn't he speak clearly if he wanted to tell Shepard something? Why would he tell Shepard anything, anyway? Why wouldn't they get Harbinger's original voice actor to do the Catalyst's line?
It's just a weird, unintelligible noise that's supposed to sound like a Reaper. They've used the Reaper horn a little too often so they tried something slightly different.

Subtitles, use them in game.

Your grasping at straws, you have been this entire time. Your looking for something that is not there. It is merely based on your own state of mind making assumptions without facts about the intentions of another group. Nothing said will convince you otherwise because your so close minded and refuse to accept the fact they told you they did not.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 27 juin 2012 - 08:32 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

mrcanada wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

If you feel insulted by the Reject ending you really need to grow up.

One will notice that it's not just people here that feel that way, several news articles have pointed out that it appears to be a swipe at the playerbase.

And McDonalds has over two billion served. Fox News says Obama is a Socialist. What in the bleeding hells is your point?

[mrcanada]

spacefiddle wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Frankly your post was rude and pretentious, magnified by the fact that you demonstrated you actually didn't actually understand what I was asking and tried to be witty about it with "False <point>" to open your statements.

As you say, I am asking several direct questions to clarify your position to me.  You did not answer any of them.  I'm sorry if you felt I was being rude to you; also as you say, if someone is determined to see something... in what way do you feel my analysis was rude?  As far as pretentious goes, are you really telling us that "would you rather have had nothing," when 3 months of discussion on what we'd rather have exist, is anything other than a slightly rude deflection?

Anything that disagrees with the writers stance is considering arrogant and rude from what I've gathered.  I've had this experience for the most part with Twitter comments etc.  The only things deemed worthy of response are buttering up comments or nonsense about people crying.  Constructive conversations are ignored.  Saying that, some people do deserve to be ignored, but some don't.

[mrcanada]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

If you feel insulted by the Reject ending you really need to grow up.

One will notice that it's not just people here that feel that way, several news articles have pointed out that it appears to be a swipe at the playerbase.

And McDonalds has over two billion served. Fox News says Obama is a Socialist. What in the bleeding hells is your point?

The point is it just isn't the fans saying it, what's your point?  

[Hawk227]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Umm, nowhere it was said they used a crucible. Headcanon?
And why would they use it if it didn't work?
Lets not speculate ok?

BTW, I would like to point out again, that if cycle completed "as usual", Asari should be harvested 100%. How come you see Asari as Stargazer?

The stargazer says that didn't have to fight a war (cuz they had a superweapon), more importanly Mike Gamble confirmed it on twitter (and Jessica Merizan on the BSN...Somwhere).

RiouHotaru wrote...

--snip--Synthesis essentially ends the conflict by allowing both sides to be
equally matched in terms of the qualities.  (Organics gain the
advantages of synthetics, while synthetics gain the awareness and
understanding that only organics have).  How this is even remotely like
Eugenics when it make EVERYONE equal is a little beyond me.--snip--

The moral of synthesis is that diversity (at least on the organic/synthetic spectrum) is inherently problematic. By remaining different, we cannot possibly find peace and some degree of homogenization is needed to rectify the problem. Again, to make it clear Synthesis tells us that being different is the problem.

Also, I know that I snipped it out, but Destroy does not require the "sacrifice" of the Geth, it requires a Geth Holocaust. We are actively and selectively wiping out an entire (allied) race in the process.

Modifié par Hawk227, 27 juin 2012 - 08:35 .

[spacefiddle]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mrcanada wrote...
Subtitles, use them in game.

Your grasping at straws, you have been this entire time. Your looking for something that is not there. It is merely based on your own state of mind making assumptions without facts about the intentions of another group. Nothing said will convince you otherwise because your so close minded and refuse to accept the fact they told you they did not.

Uh.  You don't know what subtitles are, do you?

[mrcanada]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

You're missing the point.  Whether they got his actor or not to do it, it is Harbringer speaking to you there and in the Refusal ending.  That was the whole reason this was brought up.

How do you know it's Harbinger's voice in the Refusal ending? It doesn't sound like Harbinger's voice at all. Is the weird noise Harbinger makes before supposed to establish that Harbinger's voice has changed? Why would they do that? Why wouldn't they get Harbinger's original voice actor? This is getting ridiculously far-fetched.

What's far fetched is that you think it isn't talking to you when it's only Shepard and Harbringer in the scene. 

And what does he want to tell Shepard exactly? Why wouldn't he speak clearly if he wanted to tell Shepard something? Why would he tell Shepard anything, anyway? Why wouldn't they get Harbinger's original voice actor to do the Catalyst's line?
It's just a weird, unintelligible noise that's supposed to sound like a Reaper. They've used the Reaper horn a little too often so they tried something slightly different.

Subtitles, use them in game.

Your grasping at straws, you have been this entire time. Your looking for something that is not there. It is merely based on your own state of mind making assumptions without facts about the intentions of another group. Nothing said will convince you otherwise because your so close minded and refuse to accept the fact they told you they did not.

I'm not grasping at straws.  The words are there and if you are saying they aren't, you are dillisional.

[Dranks]

Refusal was fine. If you're gonna reject the only possible ways to save the galaxy then guess what. Everybody dies. This is not rocket science. Stop derping.

[mauro2222]

Dranks wrote...

Refusal was fine. If you're gonna reject the only possible ways to save the galaxy then guess what. Everybody dies. This is not rocket science. Stop derping.

You don't read much, don't you?

[Vaktathi]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

If
you feel insulted by the Reject ending you really need to grow
up.

One will notice that it's not just people here that feel
that way, several news articles have pointed out that it appears to be a
swipe at the playerbase.

And McDonalds has over two billion served. Fox News says Obama is a Socialist. What in the bleeding hells is your point?

The point was that the perception of the refusal ending as a swipe at the playerbase is not limted to butthurt players. Even if it's not, there's enough there, especially given Bioware's very passive-aggressive attitude to this whole event, to make it appear so even to non-stakeholders.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 27 juin 2012 - 08:38 .

[mrcanada]

spacefiddle wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mrcanada wrote...
Subtitles, use them in game.

Your grasping at straws, you have been this entire time. Your looking for something that is not there. It is merely based on your own state of mind making assumptions without facts about the intentions of another group. Nothing said will convince you otherwise because your so close minded and refuse to accept the fact they told you they did not.

Uh.  You don't know what subtitles are, do you?

[Tritium315]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

wryterra wrote...

I am arguing that if they're going to give us the reject choice they do it better than this, in a way that doesn't strike me personally as insultingly dismissive. 

Just to be clear, would you have preferred there to be no refuse option at all, to what was provided?


It IS shorter, but is it really dismissive?  If it was just to be a shot at the fanbase, wouldn't it have been better to just say "oh well you lose" and wrap it up there?

Instead we get a video showing Liara talking about our past experiences and even get a unique sequence with a Stargazer where Shepard's legacy lives on based on what the future cycle learned from all of his hard work.

In fact, even with the refuse ending, the galaxy is still ultimately able to break free of the Reapers and largely holds Shepard responsible for being able to do so.

Yea, I'd rather have nothing at all. The refuse ending was basically Mac and Casey doing their best to channel Commodus'  "AM I NOT MERCIFUL" line.

[tholloway93]

i actually heard the 'so be it' as harbinger... anyone else?

[Father_Jerusalem]

mrcanada wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

If you feel insulted by the Reject ending you really need to grow up.

One will notice that it's not just people here that feel that way, several news articles have pointed out that it appears to be a swipe at the playerbase.

And McDonalds has over two billion served. Fox News says Obama is a Socialist. What in the bleeding hells is your point?

The point is it just isn't the fans saying it, what's your point?  

Uh huh. And if they had said the opposite, you'd be screaming about how the "news media" is terrible and can be bought, and EA is the devil.

Just look at that Forbes thread from yesterday. Several people who were still butthurt were praising Forbes for agreeing with them while saying "Ha ha, let's see what that trash IGN has to say NOW!"

It's the mentality of people like you that I find fascinating. "If you agree with me, you're beyond reproach. If you disagree with me, you're a paid shill and THE DEVIL!"

[Mobius-Silent]

mrcanada wrote...

You're missing the point.  Whether they got his actor or not to do it, it is Harbringer speaking to you there and in the Refusal ending.  That was the whole reason this was brought up.

Unlikely, it's much more likely that its just unguarded/pissed off off AI-reaper boss. Much like the way Control-Shepard talks at the start of the sequence. No reason to assume it's anything other than The Catalyst.

[Vaktathi]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

If you feel insulted by the Reject ending you really need to grow up.

One will notice that it's not just people here that feel that way, several news articles have pointed out that it appears to be a swipe at the playerbase.

And McDonalds has over two billion served. Fox News says Obama is a Socialist. What in the bleeding hells is your point?

The point is it just isn't the fans saying it, what's your point?  

Uh huh. And if they had said the opposite, you'd be screaming about how the "news media" is terrible and can be bought, and EA is the devil.

Just look at that Forbes thread from yesterday. Several people who were still butthurt were praising Forbes for agreeing with them while saying "Ha ha, let's see what that trash IGN has to say NOW!"

It's the mentality of people like you that I find fascinating. "If you agree with me, you're beyond reproach. If you disagree with me, you're a paid shill and THE DEVIL!"

And now you are putting words in people's mouths.

[Thaa_solon]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

Maybe Allen can answer a crucial question I have

Why all the lies/false statments from the ME team?

You will have to ask a member of the ME developer team then.
Allen is not part of the ME Team, therefore he is just another fan like us if we are talking about ME

My guess is that they work in the same building

He can take a short stroll and ask them

[CoolHanc101]

I agree. There should be different cutscenes for refusal ending.
I mean, even if they all lose in the end, high EMS should make a difference.

For example, with low EMS all the troops get decimated. With high EMS everyone fought to their last breath and reaper barely won.

[QuanManChu]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

wryterra wrote...

I am arguing that if they're going to give us the reject choice they do it better than this, in a way that doesn't strike me personally as insultingly dismissive. 

Just to be clear, would you have preferred there to be no refuse option at all, to what was provided?

False choice.

You cannot be unaware of every issue brought up with the ending by now.  It is very telling that your first question is "well if it was that or nothing, would you really want nothing?" instead of addressing why a large number of people could interpret such a thing as a cheap shot.  Would you prefer I ignore you, or kick you in the nuts?  That's no kind of choice at all, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

It's not a false choice.  It's a direct question to help me understand the poster's position.  I am specifically asking him if he'd prefer the choice not be presented rather than what was given.

It IS shorter, but is it really dismissive?  If it was just to be a shot at the fanbase, wouldn't it have been better to just say "oh well you lose" and wrap it up there?

False logic.  "If we were going to insult you, wouldn't we have done a more efficient job of it?"  Again, sidestepping the issue of the content of the 4th ending and deflecting it to "huh? what? why would we do such a thing?"  But let me answer your question: yes, it is dismissive.  You sucker us in to thinking, holy crap, they've really pulled off something amazing here.... Harby is Godboi like the Indoc folks said he was!  Shep's rejecting the IM and Saren choices, and refusing to commit genocide on the Geth!  And then, you just pull the rug out.

Are you really proud of this?  Will you look back on this moment in your career, and think, you know, we really did something worthwhile there?

Your attempt to deflect this, and the entirety of the 4th choice ending, does not stand up to the slightest amount of logical scrutiny.  Just like the original endings.  So no; nothing has been achieved other than a very expensive slap delivered to people who actually cared about your company and your story.  Well done.

Well then.  At the same time I think people just see what they want to see.  Frankly your post was rude and pretentious, magnified by the fact that you demonstrated you actually didn't actually understand what I was asking and tried to be witty about it with "False <point>" to open your statements.  If you wish to be dismissive of me trying to talk with the fans (as a fan myself, since most posters here are quite understanding of the fact that I don't work on the Mass Effect team), you're free to not respond to my posts.

If you feel that this was an attempt by the Mass Effect team to flip you the bird, I do not feel there is anything I can say to you to convince you otherwise.

In all honesty...when I first saw the refuse ending the Starchild seemed to come of capricious.