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[casadechrisso]

Please quit the bashing, some people actually like Macs and there's nothing wrong with that. Stupid relatives usually buy some discounter PC and then ask me for help because they don't have a clue how to use it.

And no, I bought my Macs for other reasons than gaming, but they actually do the gaming part just fine and since Bootcamp I do not need a second PC anymore for the hobby.

[Dex1701]

casadechrisso wrote...

Please quit the bashing, some people actually like Macs and there's nothing wrong with that. Stupid relatives usually buy some discounter PC and then ask me for help because they don't have a clue how to use it.
And no, I bought my Macs for other reasons than gaming, but they actually do the gaming part just fine and since Bootcamp I do not need a second PC anymore for the hobby.

I agree. 

I personally don't buy Macs because I can build a better machine for a lot less money (this is true of any brand-name computer, though) and I don't use MacOS because it's a bit too locked-down (and I can't use my own hardware with it...legally), so I'm a Debian Linux kind of guy with a Windows partition for gaming and various other Windowsy activities.  In fact, I generally steer clear of Apple products mostly because I'm a control freak and Apple doesn't let me have my way. 

That said, the locked-down nature of Apple products is a good thing for most people, and that single design paradigm is what makes nearly all of Apples stability claims true (the ones that are true and not just spin, that is).  For most people Macs are great (albeit horrendously overpriced for what's inside them) machines.

I think a lot of the "us vs. them" sentiment we see all over the internet is generated by Apple themselves.  Just look at their ad campaigns...thier Mac ads are almost completely a direct Windows smear campaign, and a fairly disingenuous and manipulative one at that.  That's another reason I tend to avoid their products...I find that type of advertising extremely crude and distasteful.  I also don't vote for politicians that base their entire campaign on trying to smear their opponents.  Macs are good machines, but Apple as a company can go straight to hell along with Sony (not an anti-PS3 sentiment...I'm still mad about their destructive DRM shenanigans over the years and the fact that their CEO is a raging racist).   

Anyway, I think that a lot of the anti-Mac sentiment is backlash from their ad campaigns as well as from people being told that their computers suck by smug, snooty Apple fanatics.

Modifié par Dex1701, 16 décembre 2009 - 01:10 .

[devSin]

JollyR0g3rs wrote...
Well I already plan on buying it. My only worry is that it is tested on an ATI4870 card. I have gotten my PC version to run under Crossover Games, but I had terrible black flicker. I want to know that it WILL in FACT run on an 08Mac Pro w/ ATI4870, and that it will be supported before I lay my money down... on Monday...

It's possible. Your specs can definitely handle it, but it's hard to know if they will work any better than Crossover (they can make per-game adjustments when developing a Cider title, whereas Crossover is a one-size-fits-all approach, but it's basically the exact same tech). Since you have to pay for it, though, you may be able to demand support if it doesn't work (and you can ask TransGaming ahead of time if it's a tested system, I suppose).

casadechrisso wrote...
I hope (and assume) there will also be a boxed version which comes with the same disk check as the PC version.

So far, the game is available exclusively for purchase and download from TransGaming, and there's no history of physical product ever following their releases.

I doubt BioWare has anything to do with it, and I'm not sure if EA will even support it (if TransGaming is acting as the publisher and assumes all responsibility/liability/whatever, here, or if they're only going to be the distributor). I've never purchased any of their other digital titles to know how it's handled (they do sell Jade Empire, if anyone's interested in that).

[Crunchyinmilk]

Yikes, How poorly is this going to run on mac? The game's user interface uses FLASH excessively. Which runs like pigeon crap on Macs, especially those that run Snow Leopard in 64 bit mode. I'm happy I bought this for bootcamp.

[Freestorm Skinn]

casadechrisso wrote...

The download version will, which is quite understandable, because there's obviously no way to use a disk check there. You can't expect a digital download to have no copy protection at all, can you?
I hope (and assume) there will also be a boxed version which comes with the same disk check as the PC version.

I don't think there's going to be a disc version for the Mac, alas, because it's not even a full native Mac port but a Wine bottle port created by Transgaming.  

I get the need to safeguard from pirating, but I have a problem with DRM that could potentially mess up your computer, which SecuROM is notorious for in a lot of PCs.

Modifié par Freestorm Skinn, 16 décembre 2009 - 01:48 .

[Dex1701]

Freestorm Skinn wrote...
I get the need to safeguard from pirating, but I have a problem with DRM that could potentially mess up your computer, which SecuROM is notorious for in a lot of PCs.

Don't you mean SecuROOTKIT?  Yes, DRM is a menace to the industry.  Thanks again, Sony, although I was hoping that you could really hose my optical drive configuration like you made all of my old BMG music CDs do. 

[Darpaek]

Giggle.



Even if they released a physical Mac DVD - where exactly would you buy it? That back rack at Best Buy with half a dozen copies of Oregon Trail? LOL

[Hastymind]

Freestorm Skinn wrote...

I found out today that the Mac version will have SecuROM DRM, which is a dealbreaker for me.

I saw you post this in another thread. I was going to ask if this was confirmed somewhere else. I have one answer at least.


http://www.gamersgat...age-origins-mac

[casadechrisso]

Darpaek wrote...

Giggle.

Even if they released a physical Mac DVD - where exactly would you buy it? That back rack at Best Buy with half a dozen copies of Oregon Trail? LOL

Try Amazon, other online dealers or Mac shops. It's not that hard really. <_<

[Freestorm Skinn]

Dex1701 wrote...

Freestorm Skinn wrote...
I get the need to safeguard from pirating, but I have a problem with DRM that could potentially mess up your computer, which SecuROM is notorious for in a lot of PCs.

Don't you mean SecuROOTKIT?  Yes, DRM is a menace to the industry.  Thanks again, Sony, although I was hoping that you could really hose my optical drive configuration like you made all of my old BMG music CDs do. 

I knew about SecuROOTKIT.  I've heard people complain about what SecuROM, (which is what's used for computer games, its seems) has done to their PCs as well, so no way do I want to risk putting it on my Mac.

[Freestorm Skinn]

Hastymind wrote...

Freestorm Skinn wrote...

I found out today that the Mac version will have SecuROM DRM, which is a dealbreaker for me.

I saw you post this in another thread. I was going to ask if this was confirmed somewhere else. I have one answer at least.


http://www.gamersgat...age-origins-mac

Yes, it was officially confirmed in Transgaming's press statement yesterday, as well as becoming available for download from Best Buy and Gametreeonline.com.

[Dex1701]

Freestorm Skinn wrote...

Dex1701 wrote...

Freestorm Skinn wrote...
I get the need to safeguard from pirating, but I have a problem with DRM that could potentially mess up your computer, which SecuROM is notorious for in a lot of PCs.

Don't you mean SecuROOTKIT?  Yes, DRM is a menace to the industry.  Thanks again, Sony, although I was hoping that you could really hose my optical drive configuration like you made all of my old BMG music CDs do. 

I knew about SecuROOTKIT.  I've heard people complain about what
SecuROM, (which is what's used for computer games, its seems) has done
to their PCs as well, so no way do I want to risk putting it on my Mac.

I personally never had any problems with it, but the fact that it writes keys to your system registry that the OS itself cannot read is enough reason to avoid it.  Combine that with Sony's history of damaging and nuisance DRM and then you understand why people complain when companies use it.  I don't mind a disc check, a CD key, heck, I don't even mind the game phoning home every now and then.  Just do not screw with my computer.  Heck, the people that pirated the game don't even have to deal with the stuff...it's just the paying customers that end up with it on their systems.  Not cool.

To be honest, though, the PC version of DA:O doesn't use any of that type of DRM.  I'd hope that anyone distributing on other platforms would do the same.  Does Sony even make that SecuROM malware for the Mac?

Modifié par Dex1701, 16 décembre 2009 - 06:49 .

[EricG2k9]

Given the nature of how CIDER works .. my guess is any DRM like securrom would be limited and contained within the CIDER wrapper .. and not put into the general mac OS .. but I am tending to doubt that there will any sort of DRM outside of what is already in play.. as far as the DA:O game is concerned it still thinks its running on a windows "type" system .. so any drm would have to be of the windows flavor to function .. and as I said because of that would have to be limited to the cider "bubble" to work .. I am honestly not that worried about it.

EDIT-- saw this post after I wrote the bit above (http://social.biowar.../9/index/451194)

My guess is the SecureROM drm will be runing within the CIDER bubble based on the comment in the above thread.

Modifié par EricG2k9, 16 décembre 2009 - 04:54 .

[Pauldarian]

I think it should be corrected to

Mac OSX 10.6.2 Snow Leopard or higher

People may get confused.

There is always that person that will say I run Leopard and then gets the game and it won't work because they aren't running Snow Leopard.

However I am wondering why it won't support 10.5.8, I still think that a good majority of mac users have not made the switch yet.

[Freestorm Skinn]

Dex1701 wrote...

Freestorm Skinn wrote...

Dex1701 wrote...

Freestorm Skinn wrote...
I get the need to safeguard from pirating, but I have a problem with DRM that could potentially mess up your computer, which SecuROM is notorious for in a lot of PCs.

Don't you mean SecuROOTKIT?  Yes, DRM is a menace to the industry.  Thanks again, Sony, although I was hoping that you could really hose my optical drive configuration like you made all of my old BMG music CDs do. 

I knew about SecuROOTKIT.  I've heard people complain about what
SecuROM, (which is what's used for computer games, its seems) has done
to their PCs as well, so no way do I want to risk putting it on my Mac.

I personally never had any problems with it, but the fact that it writes keys to your system registry that the OS itself cannot read is enough reason to avoid it.  Combine that with Sony's history of damaging and nuisance DRM and then you understand why people complain when companies use it.  I don't mind a disc check, a CD key, heck, I don't even mind the game phoning home every now and then.  Just do not screw with my computer.  Heck, the people that pirated the game don't even have to deal with the stuff...it's just the paying customers that end up with it on their systems.  Not cool.

To be honest, though, the PC version of DA:O doesn't use any of that type of DRM.  I'd hope that anyone distributing on other platforms would do the same.  Does Sony even make that SecuROM malware for the Mac?

Yeah, writing code into your registry that you can't detect is no better than spyware.  You don't know just what or how much of your information is being collected and sent back to Daddy.

I don't mind a disc check.  I applaud Bioware for going with it instead of DRM, and I hope it'll be the same with MASS EFFECT 2.  It's the best of all solutions, but alas, not available for the Mac. 

Modifié par Freestorm Skinn, 16 décembre 2009 - 08:41 .

[Darpaek]

Right...



Cuz you can't play your video game with the Leopard, you need the Snow Leopard. I get it.



Totally makes sense now.

[sarahbau]

Crunchyinmilk wrote...

Yikes, How poorly is this going to run on mac? The game's user interface uses FLASH excessively. Which runs like pigeon crap on Macs, especially those that run Snow Leopard in 64 bit mode. I'm happy I bought this for bootcamp.

I didn't realize the UI in Dragon Age used Flash. If that's true, then that's one good thing about it being done in Cider. Adobe's Mac version of Flash is so craptacular, that it takes more CPU running natively than the Windows version running in emulation. I tested this in VMWare. lol.

[casadechrisso]

Darpaek wrote...

Right...

Cuz you can't play your video game with the Leopard, you need the Snow Leopard. I get it.

Totally makes sense now.

*sigh* What's the problem with Codenames anyway? Animals are funny? Every Mac user knows what it means when someone says "It's not running in XP, but in Vista". Names are easier to remember than numbers, and while Microsoft usually keeps the codenames for internal use (look at all those cities, longhorns and swiss mountains) and makes up a new name for the finished product, Apple simply keeps the codenames for the finished product since it's easier to remember than 10.4, 10.5, 10.6.

[alkrantz]

Leather_Rebel90 wrote...

Wait... Gamers actually BUY Macs? I thought they were all recieved as gifts from stupid relatives?!

I know I know don't feed the trolls but.....

What's the point of this really? Need attention much? Do you really have nothing better to do with your life than to call mac users relatives stupid? That's so sad and pathetic. 

[alkrantz]

Darpaek wrote...

Giggle.

Even if they released a physical Mac DVD - where exactly would you buy it? That back rack at Best Buy with half a dozen copies of Oregon Trail? LOL

The Apple Store?

[dualie11]

I just downloaded the premium version for Mac. I would rather not have another box in my closet thanks.