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[Plaseno]

I just wish it would take place right before the run to the beam... The two squadmates could be injured from the car crashing or something...

[CronoDragoon]

Icesong wrote...

The only thing it adds is an explanation for how your squadmates ended up on the ship, and it's not like they couldn't have handled that another way. The final goodbye was hollow coming off the half an hour Long Goodbye you just got finished with. We just did this, Liara. The emotion of the scene, if there is any, doesn't pierce through how ridiculous I find the entire situation. Or my frustration at auto-Shepard taking over.

But maybe I'll like it better the second time around when it won't be so jarring.

Well, that explanation seemed pretty important to fans pre-EC.

If you didn't find the goodbye scene emotional, then I can totally see how the whole thing seems silly. I found it quite touching and heartbreaking, and surprisingly not redundant with the earlier goodbye scene. The earlier scene's theme, at least for Tali, is that they HAVE to make it through this because they "need more time." In other words, making hopeful promises for the future. In the beam scene, the general tone is that Shepard is going to go alone and die while the LI stays behind, and they both know this.

[Wasabi Kiu]

Although it doesn't make sense, I mean the Harbinger just standin there and chillin, well..still, that scene is likely the best part of the EC.

[Aether McLoud]

Nrieh wrote...

The SR2 already did the same low-altitude evac-missions on Earth and Mars at the beginning of ME3 though.

On mars they dropped in shuttle, on Earth - it was not supposed to be like that for given reasons. But it was landed into dry docks, so back then it is THEORETHICALLY possible to accept that they were maneuvering within atmosphere on low altitudes, they were not going DOWN from space, they were taking off best way they could... and Normandy did not LAND there, it was "hanging" at some height and going up.

On Mars it was also the Normandy that rescued the party after James crashed one of the shuttles. Normandy swooped in and picked them up just like it did on Earth. Also as far as I could see the Normandy didn't land in the EC either, it just hovered REALLY low.

[Arkevilex]

My god...why must you nit-pick everything?...

Wasn't the entire point of the EC supposed to give you more of a farewell to your comrades/LI, and clear up serious plot holes? We got that scene plus more than expected, now you just want to argue about something so irrelevant to the bigger picture.

I hope Bioware gives you what you want and just has Harbinger shoot down the Normandy.

[Aether McLoud]

Subject9x wrote...

sure tropes are tools, that doesn't give the execution of them a free pass. In this case, the execution is quite poor, you see harbinger obliterating everything else in front of you, all units are destroyed in a singular blasts with harbinger firiing two lasers in a rate of fire at least I've never seen before in reapers. The cut back to harbinger just sitting there not firing at the advancing crew doesn't help the scenes case either. I expected the Normandy to be attacked by harbinger, free actions or not. Again, its the execution that is bad.

Sure but pointing out those tropes are bad now in the EC is kinda hypocritical when nobody had problem with the same and other tropes used throughout the whole trilogy.

On Virmire you could take all your time to talk to the Salarians, the Asari chick (don't remember her name) while there was a supposedly timing-relevant mission on it's way. Why didn't Saren win while you talked?

At the start of ME2 you talk pretty much 15 minutes with Jacob about what the hell is going on, all while under direct fire by the intruders. Why didn't they flank you?

Why doesn't Kai Leng simply shoot the Ambassador with his Arm-cannon-thingy on the Citadel instead of doing the whole Mexican Standoff spiel with you and then Thane? He is later shown being able to make a Mass Effect field that reflects bullets...

[JEPrDEE]

o Ventus wrote...

JEPrDEE wrote...


If its irrelevent dont mention it please.

Have you ever heard the phrase "context is everything". 

If not, I would study it. I was replying to a point you made. Ergo, I was refuting your claim. 

Context is everything but in your's is irelevent.

[Lord Stark]

For my head canon Shep
Liara: You're not leaving me behind
Shepard: No matter what happens...
*teary eyed*

For my Fem Shep
Shep: You've got to get out of here
Garrus: And you have got to be kidding me.
*Waterworks*

[M920CAIN]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

I did!

Potential plotholes be damned.

[o Ventus]

JEPrDEE wrote...

Context is everything but in your's is irelevent.

Sense, this makes none.

[BoneNinja]

LOOOOOOVED this addition. It was one of my favorite moments in the new footage. It was the best and most emotional expression from Kaidan (and the most realistic!) through the entire game. So glad they added this in!

[NRieh]

On Mars it was also the Normandy that rescued the party after James crashed one of the shuttles. Normandy swooped in and picked them up just like it did on Earth. Also as far as I could see the Normandy didn't land in the EC either, it just hovered REALLY low.

I remembered the moment,sorry, messed up a little. On Mars it flies somewhat close to the platform where shuttles land. On Earth it floats around and it hovers for very short period (actually, they jump in). In both cases it's far from ground point. Add to this fact that they are not alone in a field, there are people around, running, dying etc. There was nothing close to landing zone for a Normandy. (go read about it's size)

I could accept it if this scene added anything to LI romance or character, but it's lacklustre comparing to long goodby Shep aready did. I could accept it if it actually served us well and made sure reunion\\rescue is at hand. But only thing it did - it took our squad away from us, hell knows where, by "OUR" forced order and without any logic at all. Like, why would Shep send away BOTH members, when only one of them is hurt? Why not asking for another one( like repicking squad on Virmire or suicide mission)?

[NubXL]

I liked it. People are nitpicky. Harbinger had his hands full. Deal with it.

[JEPrDEE]

o Ventus wrote...

JEPrDEE wrote...

Context is everything but in your's is irelevent.

Sense, this makes none.

Ok, all your ramblings make no sense to my original analogy. If any one made it to the beam it was game over for the reapers. Anyone not just sheapard. If harbinger had decide to concentrate of people further down the run or other ships flying in he would have risked it all by allowing that 1 person to reach it. Every person running towards it has the same goal, there not just runnig towards it for the sake of it.
Once reached there was no resistance (bar I.M) inside. Someone else whould have been having the same conversation with star brat, while our games whould have gone to a 'harbinger concentrated on you, but your sacrifice meant someone else made it to the beam, well done game over'. Harbingers goal was to stop anyone getting to the beam not to worry about people further down the run and ships flying in the distance. Shepard was not about to enter the beam at this point.  The fact he was stood still means more people were running past him at this point, causing more people to get nearer to the beam.

Your just trying to find crap excuses by using crappy 'context' and stating that the examples you are using for your 'context' are irelevent pieces of information.

Modifié par JEPrDEE, 27 juin 2012 - 03:27 .

[Subject9x]

Aether McLoud wrote...
Sure but pointing out those tropes are bad now in the EC is kinda hypocritical when nobody had problem with the same and other tropes used throughout the whole trilogy.

On Virmire you could take all your time to talk to the Salarians, the Asari chick (don't remember her name) while there was a supposedly timing-relevant mission on it's way. Why didn't Saren win while you talked?

At the start of ME2 you talk pretty much 15 minutes with Jacob about what the hell is going on, all while under direct fire by the intruders. Why didn't they flank you?

Why doesn't Kai Leng simply shoot the Ambassador with his Arm-cannon-thingy on the Citadel instead of doing the whole Mexican Standoff spiel with you and then Thane? He is later shown being able to make a Mass Effect field that reflects bullets...

again, execution. You're right in those regards, that doesn't make them any better. In fact, Kai Leng himself is nothing but a collection of plot holes walking around. What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't always work, and for me, this is where it didn't work. Harbinger was firing faster than I personally had ever seen any other reaper fire, and nothing was getting to the beam - nothing. Also, whatever happened to the other reapers that were coming with harbinger to help defend the beam?

you can't really satisfy me personally because I won't accept what was presented, I'm admitting that now as a point of honesty.  

[LazyTechGuy]

I don't think the Normandy is breaking off from Sword, are they? Weren't they just in the area assisting with the missile launch on the Reaper?

Also, yeah yeah, Shepard put the fate of the Galaxy on hold to save two lives. Almost like he had a human moment or something. Kinda highlights the dichotomy between organics and synthetics. The Reapers are like fire: indifferent, preforming a task assigned to them. Shepard: displayed emotions, did something stupid in an attempt to save the ones he cares about over the bigger picture. Maybe 8 times out of 10 that doesn't work, but it worked here.

I know I can feel Shepard's frustration when it comes to sacrificing for the "bigger picture". My Shepard's done it through the entire series. For once, I said screw it.

Modifié par LazyTechGuy, 27 juin 2012 - 03:24 .

[Icesong]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

I don't think the Normandy is breaking off from Sword, are they? Weren't they just in the area assisting with the missile launch on the Reaper?

Also, yeah yeah, Shepard put the fate of the Galaxy on hold to save two lives. Almost like he had a human moment or something. Kinda highlights the dichotomy between organics and synthetics. The Reapers are like fire: indifferent, preforming a task assigned to them. Shepard: displayed emotions, did something stupid in an attempt to save the ones he cares about over the bigger picture. Maybe 8 times out of 10 that doesn't work, but it worked here.

I know I can feel Shepard's frustration when it comes to sacrificing for the "bigger picture". My Shepard's done it through the entire series. For once, I said screw it.

Auto-Shepard did something you agreed with. That's nice for you.

[T-0pel]

NubXL wrote...

I liked it. People are nitpicky. Harbinger had his hands full. Deal with it.

1:22
Yeah... No, he didn't.

Modifié par T-0pel, 27 juin 2012 - 03:54 .

[NRieh]

I don't think the Normandy is breaking off from Sword, are they?

Joker sais he rejoins Sword after taking Shep to Earth. EDI supported targeting as EDI, you could see her on comm.

Also, yeah yeah, Shepard put the fate of the Galaxy on hold to save two lives.

The thing is. That even injured member is not that deadly injured (and in case of LI - he's happy, healthy, clean and smiley geting out in the jungle in just an hour from that moment), he could even walk. And another member was unhurt. So, there were NO lives needed urgent saving (at least not more then rest of beamrunners). Why not using medigel? Why not status report and ask for med team? Why not send them back into HQ\\ask to stay down and safe?..

[Wulfram]

I liked the emotion in the scene, but it made no sense.

And is pretty pointless, at least if you've got high EMS, since the crash which it exists to justify has no real point with everyone just flying home in short order.

Modifié par Wulfram, 27 juin 2012 - 03:59 .

[Eluril]

It was honestly super cheesy but necessary for the story.

[Siegdrifa]

Actualy, it was a little too conviniant, but the little chat with the LI being may be the final word with her / him for their entire life make it worth it.

[Gamedwarf24]

Meh....to me it felt patronizing...much like most of the ending. How did they get on the Normandy!? Oh...well here's the Normandy in the middle of the beam run to pick it up (why wasn't that there in the original ending?) Not to mention all the other patronizing **** they put in.

What? The relays destroyed? Galactic civilization is screwed!
-Nope...we can rebuild EVERYTHING.
But why was Joker fleeing?
-Uhhh...OH! Hacket told him to run to the rendezvous point that we didn't hear about until just now.
But my crewmates are stranded on that stupid gilligan's planet!
-Oh don't worry about that, they'll lift off again like 5 minutes later (pointless freaking scene)

I can go on.

[shadowkinz]

huh?? never showed my normandy pick anyone up, although garrus was on board. Only time i pressed spacebar was the second i got to the beam, just to skip to being on board. It showed a cut scene of hackett saying "oh **** he made it"


when the normandy flew off the tropical world, i literally shouted YESSS

Modifié par shadowkinz, 27 juin 2012 - 04:30 .