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[Jonathan Shepard]

Two things about this:

You can hear Harbinger's laserbeam sounds when the Normandy takes off, but no lasers are visible. I think this is a graphical glitch, and Habry is supposed to be shooting at the Normandy. Same thing happens 2 seconds later, when a tank blows up... but no laser was visible, despite an explosion and the laser sound being audible.

Second, wasn't Hammer going in on foot because there was too much interference to safely pilot an aircraft near the beam? How did Joker manage to avoid crashing with so much interference?

[Salfin]

I enjoyed it.

[TobiTobsen]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

Second, wasn't Hammer going in on foot because there was too much interference to safely pilot an aircraft near the beam? How did Joker manage to avoid crashing with so much interference?

He borrowed some space magic from Starchild

[NRieh]

Garrus (or whomever is wounded) leaves you because they are seriously wounded and have lost a lot of blood.

Which does not prevent them from happily coming out clean, healthy and smiling in just an hour (or so) on a jungleplanet? Looks like the wound was far from vital. And another member was barely hit. Why did not that one stay?And not even put a word? (Garrus for me, Kaidan hurt) Damage and take away from Shepard - cool tacts since Mars, BW!

[Grubas]

the space magic joke is getting old. If your not a fan of this scene watch it with low EMS

[StElmo]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

It's kinda sad to see people who aren't able to enjoy something for what it is. Granted the Original Cut of ME3 had glaring, lore breaking plots holes that potentially ruined the franchise, people can't seem to get over the fact that Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

This is the age old "Why didn't the villain just shoot the hero immediately?" arguement that's been around forever. Is it a plot hole? Possibly yes, but it's not a plot hole that's worth raising a fuss over. You're thinking way too realistically about this. You could go back all the Mass Effect 1 to where Shepard fought Saren on Virmire, and ask why when Shepard was knocked to the ground did Saren toss away his gun and decide to choke Shepard, when he could've ended it right there? And whatever excuse you could come up with, do the same thing for the Normandy pick up scene. That's all it takes is a little imagination.

I loved the scene when the Normandy picked up Ashley and Garrus. It filled the Squad Teleportation plot hole for me and it created a heartbreaking scene between Shep and the LI.

It was by far the best thing in the extended cut. Actually, it was the only good thing in the extended cut, except maybe the fact that we now know the catalyst is maniac VI.

[Grubas]

Also this:

HagarIshay wrote...

I don't care how idiotic it looks. My Shepard was about to sacrifice herself and to never see Kaidan again. I needed this scene to say goodbye.

[NRieh]

Second, wasn't Hammer going in on foot because there was too much interference to safely pilot an aircraft near the beam? How did Joker manage to avoid crashing with so much interference?

EXACTLY. If you remember things right - just few minutes away from that moment you had to drag destroyer away from a beam so that EDI could target. And that's why they could not bring in air support....But that's Joker we're talking about, right? He can drop MAKO on 20m and he can land SR2 (not suitable for low planet-side flights) in the middle of the battlefield, where a lot of people run and shoot... [/sarcazm ends here, ok]

[Spartas Husky]

Han Shot First wrote...



It isn't all together implausible. During amphibious assaults landing craft or amtracs are often evacuating the more seriously wounded while the beachhead is still contested, and make multiple trips under heavy fire. So the evac itself is not unrealistic. That being said part of what makes evacs during an amphibious assault possible is the safety in numbers aspect. The enemy can destroy some landing craft or amtracs but can't get all of them. So with that in mind the evac scene would have probably worked better with other frigates and fighters making a run at Harbinger to provide a distraction for the ground force.

But even so, I think Harbinger not firing at the Normandy is still plausible considering that he had more immediate concerns with tanks, gunships, and dismounted infantry being much closer to the beam, and with the Normandy evacuating wounded and not assisting directly in the push. There are plausible reasons why Harbinger may not have put a priority on shooting down the Normandy at that moment.

More immidiate?... dude he iisn't firing at all.!. You look at harbinger when your pals are getting on the normandy, and he isn't firing to anyone!... omg am I the only who can see how ridiculous this is?... sad sad day.

[darthnick427]

Totally loved it! Garrus is my favorite non romance one. and Tali and Liara are all tied for Romance one.

"You've gotta get out of here!"
"And you've gotta be kidding!"
Garrus! loyal bro until the end!

"Build a home on Rannoch."
"I *have* a home."
Pulled at the heartstrings. Excellently well written there

"You mean every thing to me Liara."
"Shepard I......I am yours."
Pulled at the heart strings again. Powerful thing to say when you live 1000 years

[NRieh]

My Shepard was about to sacrifice herself and to never see Kaidan again. I needed this scene to say goodbye.

Reminder. You did it an hour ago (or so) back in London. Where you both did well. Saying last goodby each hour is a bad idea. Really.

ps: I love Kaidan as well, in fact - that;s one of reasons I do NOT like this scene. This man would never make a look of beaten kitten. As he knows his commander needs to run fast and shoot straigth. And he knows that  Shep knows it too. 

Modifié par Nrieh, 27 juin 2012 - 08:50 .

[Malanek]

It was well done emotionally, but at the same time it didn't feel plausible given the state of the battle. It seemed like it was written in to force a silly plot point (Normandy crash scene) that didn't need to be there at all. I'm OK with it because it was a nice touch, but I would prefer they try and keep things more sensible.

[squee365]

I love the normandy take off scene even more.

[Hudathan]

It looks no different than characters in most war films taking temporary cover in order to catch their breath or deal with something. There was sufficient background activity with the rest of Hammer to make it work. It's not like Shepard was the only one running for the beam and decided to stop for a minute to help his friends. As for the Normandy not getting shot, it's always had plot armor and it's nothing new. Blame Joker and EDI for being so damn good.

[Sindrop]

I felt like this scene was a nonsense. Come on, Normandy just stands there and Harby won't shoot it? What about Shepard changing his forgetting about 'mission first' and stops the charge?

[Han Shot First]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...



It isn't all together implausible. During amphibious assaults landing craft or amtracs are often evacuating the more seriously wounded while the beachhead is still contested, and make multiple trips under heavy fire. So the evac itself is not unrealistic. That being said part of what makes evacs during an amphibious assault possible is the safety in numbers aspect. The enemy can destroy some landing craft or amtracs but can't get all of them. So with that in mind the evac scene would have probably worked better with other frigates and fighters making a run at Harbinger to provide a distraction for the ground force.

But even so, I think Harbinger not firing at the Normandy is still plausible considering that he had more immediate concerns with tanks, gunships, and dismounted infantry being much closer to the beam, and with the Normandy evacuating wounded and not assisting directly in the push. There are plausible reasons why Harbinger may not have put a priority on shooting down the Normandy at that moment.

More immidiate?... dude he iisn't firing at all.!. You look at harbinger when your pals are getting on the normandy, and he isn't firing to anyone!... omg am I the only who can see how ridiculous this is?... sad sad day.

He is firing the entire time. Watch the scene again on youtube.

Throughout the entire scene you can hear the explosive impacts of Harbinger's shots. You just don't see them on screen, as it has a narrow focus on Shepard and his squadmates. The volume also gets turned down just in time for dialogue, so it isn't quite as loud as it is when you are actively rushing the beam.

[Patchwork]

The scene itself works on an emotional level but it's completely out of place. IMO the two squadies getting injured would have been better as the missiles are launched. Shepard leaves and then later, when they think Hammer are all dead, we get a cut scene of the FOB (including the squadmates) being evacuated.

All is lost! Abandon all hope!

Then Shepard struggles to her feet, shoots Marauder Shields in the face and enters the beam.

[TheDonk95]

I'll be honest here: I consider it one of my favorite scenes from the entire trilogy.
I can't add anything more to what have already been said here before; everything about this scene is absolutley amazing, in my opinion. The voice acting was beautiful, the LI's and Shepard's facial expressions were spot on, the scene itself was breath taking and very emotional, it really made me cry. I absolutley love it.

[Cyberfrog81]

I like these scenes for the character moments, but really wish they made more sense in the context. For now I'm going to assume that Harbinger spots the Normandy, and obviously could do a whole lot of damage to it.. but chooses not to. For some reason. Unfortunately, Harby's behavior isn't the only problem: Shepard has given a questionable order, with no input from the player.

As many others have pointed out, if the Normandy can pull off stunts like this, the entirety of Priority: Earth would have played out differently. Remember all those shuttles being shot down? All your allies fighting and dying on the ground? What a waste. So while I can appreciate what the evac scene is trying to do, it's... problematic.

[Mara Shep]

I needed this scene. I don't care it doesn't make sense, it was so emotional and heart wrenching and OMG THE TEARS. ALL THE TEARS.

When Garrus reaches out to you as you walk away...*SOB*

[Dendio1]

Was laughing at the absurdity of a pick up during the beam run. Then Liara almost died and I stopped caring about particulars. Then the final love interest goodbye happened and Man tears

Mood whiplash 101. Best scene of Extended cut

Modifié par Dendio1, 27 juin 2012 - 09:26 .

[Dendio1]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

I like these scenes for the character moments, but really wish they made more sense in the context. For now I'm going to assume that Harbinger spots the Normandy, and obviously could do a whole lot of damage to it.. but chooses not to. For some reason. Unfortunately, Harby's behavior isn't the only problem: Shepard has given a questionable order, with no input from the player.

As many others have pointed out, if the Normandy can pull off stunts like this, the entirety of Priority: Earth would have played out differently. Remember all those shuttles being shot down? All your allies fighting and dying on the ground? What a waste. So while I can appreciate what the evac scene is trying to do, it's... problematic.

I remember shepard talking about normandy stealth drives and how you can't detect it unless you have eyes. Maybe thats how the reapers dont *see* it

[LT123]

Has anybody posted the friend versions of the squadmate goodbyes from this scene on YouTube yet? I can only find one with Javik. All the rest seem to be romance ones.

[CoolHanc101]

It was a touching moment but I was bothered that Harbinger did not blast Normandy out of the sky

[Shallyah]

I loved being able to say goodbye to Tali. I don't care if it makes sense or not. That scene made Mass Effect 3 greater.