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[Jerrybnsn]

LadyJ28 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

hero 2 wrote...

One of your companions.

Woah, that would be ****ing awesome! Kinda reminds me of Jade Empire... Don't wanna spoil it but I totally didn't see what happened in that coming!

If DA3 somehow could incorporate that type of betrayal into the story it would be the most ridiculously awesome game ever.

Wasn't this Anders in DA2?

[Jerrybnsn]

blindchaos wrote...


I really like these Ideas.  The idea of a romancible companion being a villain or turned into a villain is a very cool conept.  Personally I would love to have demonic possession be a factor.  For example if there a levels in the fade, party memebers are vulnerable to some degree of possession. 

Anders.

[Jerrybnsn]

LolaLei wrote...

I'm all for the main antagonist (or at least one of them) being a companion or NPC who you work closely with only to discover much later on in the game that he/she has been planning to screw you over from day one, all the while you never suspected him/her until it's too late.

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syllogi wrote...

I just don't want a villain who is completely off their rocker crazy. Or who seems reasonable and logical until the end, and then becomes inexplicably StupidEvil just in time for the big boss fight.

The best villains are often even more charismatic and interesting than the protagonist of the story.

Yes.

Also as someone said Machiavellian. Completely ruthless, but in a highly intelligent way. And completely unapologetic. Because it is better to be feared than loved.

I want them smooth. Convincing. But also very powerful for when we get down to a big boss fight. Because yes, I'm video-gamey like that.

Others mentioned puppetmaster? Yes. One that knows how to punk you. Punk your companions. Get in your heads.

I want it to actually be evil. For it to know that it's evil. And revel in that knowing.

[rapscallioness]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'm all for the main antagonist (or at least one of them) being a companion or NPC who you work closely with only to discover much later on in the game that he/she has been planning to screw you over from day one, all the while you never suspected him/her until it's too late.

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dammit, Anders.

Yeah, he screwed me, and screwed me over. Sonnuva......

[ChaosAgentLoki]

hero 2 wrote...

One of your companions.

This would be amazing. Especially if there was another force (similar to the ideology with a face that someone else has mentioned) that the player has an idea they're going up against for the majority of the game. These sorts of betrayals (when done right) can really make the end game into something memorable and special.

Note: The DA2 companion that falls under this was not done well. It was stupid and irritating (IMO) and not a good comparison.

Modifié par ChaosAgentLoki, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:37 .

[NKKKK]

He needs to be over the top acting, Tim Curry would be nice.

But I need hammyness, delicious funny Haymmness.

[Sith Grey Warden]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

blindchaos wrote...


I really like these Ideas.  The idea of a romancible companion being a villain or turned into a villain is a very cool conept.  Personally I would love to have demonic possession be a factor.  For example if there a levels in the fade, party memebers are vulnerable to some degree of possession. 

Anders.

Anders doesn't count because he spends about 5 minutes as the villain before you kill him or let him back into the party. Even if he shows up later to oppose you, it's no different than any other companion turning on you, which all of them, except Varric (who doesn't) and Isabella (whose betrayal is different and earlier), could.

Also, the problem with Anders is there was just no good reason why a pro-Templar Hawke has to stay associated beyond an unexplained But Thou Must.

Furthermore, it's not really that Anders turns on the player, he just turns on another important figure everyone liked a lot.

In order for a party member to turn villainous, I would think that it would work better if they did so 1/2-3/4 of the way through the game so that you get to know them on both sides, and so there's enough time to show them actively carrying out all the plots that ruin the PC's life.

[Lotion Soronarr]

KproTM wrote...
Characters such as Saren and Loghain appear to be proper villains(Not sure if thats the right word for it) who, despite going off-screen at times, return and come into physical conflict with the players.

Characters such as TIM, Harbinger, the Archdemon, these guys are the Big Bads, The Man Behind the Man, and usually have no direct confrontations with the player other than appearing to either berate or demoralize the player.
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Wut?....WUT?

Saren and TIM follow the same pattern. It doesn't matter if hte conflict if physical or verbal/mental. It shuldn't anyway.
I really don't see Saren as a ebtter villain than TIM. But then again I dont' see TIM as a vaillain at all.



But back to the question at hand - villain for DA3
The answer is obvious: ME.
Of course, that means the player would not be able to win ever, but hey. That's the price of truly good villains.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Zanallen wrote...

The fans.

But on a lighter note, I could see someone behind the scenes, pulling the strings on the mage/templar war in order to gain power for himself. Perhaps an attempt to overthrow the Orlesian empress?

Yes to both. Give me a group of arguing and whing peasants that mimic the worst of these forums (both blind haters and blind fanoys). Then let me slaughter them.

And yes to the second too.


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ADDENDUM:
the problem with peopel calling for "a villain I want to kill/hate" is that it's largely subjective (or at least, rooted in preconceptions and false premises).
Look at TIM. Some people adore him. Others hate him with a itensity of a thousand suns. Same for Anders. Same for most characters.

[Oddlyotter]

I want a Gary Mother Effing Oak rival/villain. Man, That jerk fueled my childhood rage. Just got through Mt Moon with like 1 hit point on all my pokemons? Freaking Gary. He was ahead of me at every turn! Mocking me! Being a jerk! Oh man just thinking about freaking Gary Oak makes me mad >

I want a villain like that! I want a villain that just his appearance makes me so annoyed I want to throw things at him. Like "seriously?! Again?! Ugh we just saved _____ I have not potions left you really ARGH." Maybe a rival more than a villain. Gary Mother Effin Oak.

[Jerrybnsn]

anyway--what would be the replayability knowing that one of your trusted companions is going to turn on you because it's fixed in the plot? Just to replay nice, snarky, aggressive dialogue?

[Amycus89]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

anyway--what would be the replayability knowing that one of your trusted companions is going to turn on you because it's fixed in the plot? Just to replay nice, snarky, aggressive dialogue?

Could still give some replayability since you throughout the whole game has a shance to influence the villain. Maybe you can't make him/her completely good and stop the betrayal, but still his/her personality and acts.

Even if you know the villain to be a companion, it doesn't decrease the replay value after the first playthrough compared to any other game. Even when I knew about Loghain and the archdemon inDA:O, it didn't hurt the replayability the least. It's actually quite the contrary, since you will probably want to make a second playthrough to understand the villain, and catch all the hits you didn't get the first time.

[Jormundgander]

Mike Laidlaw as main villain for Dragon Age franchise.

Hmmm. In-game, I expect Flemeth or Sandal (depending on what side you choose) to be the antagonists in DA 3.

[Tpiom]

Anything but "I want to destroy the world"-type of threat... It's getting tiresome, they had it in Knights of the Old Republic and then again in Dragon Age. Also in the Mass Effect series.

[Jerrybnsn]

Amycus89 wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

anyway--what would be the replayability knowing that one of your trusted companions is going to turn on you because it's fixed in the plot? Just to replay nice, snarky, aggressive dialogue?

Even when I knew about Loghain and the archdemon inDA:O, it didn't hurt the replayability the least. It's actually quite the contrary, since you will probably want to make a second playthrough to understand the villain, and catch all the hits you didn't get the first time.

Good point.  It actually takes replaying to find out what is fixed in the plot and what you can actually change.

[Gebert]

Anybody read the The First Law-trilogy by Joe Abercrombie?

Bayaz is a good example of what kind of villain/antagonist/puppetmaster I'd like. He starts out as this kind of
Gandalf-y character, though over the course of the story he is revealed to be more and more... ruthless than he first appears to be, and in the end he is probably the most despicable and narcissistic person in the entire books.

This also opens up the possibilty for either 1) different endings where we oppose him or join him, or 2) a single ending where we have to join him, but we can choose wether we do so begrudgingly or willingly, making it easier for later games since there is no need to account for widely different endings.

(Sorry 'bout the grammar etc, I'm not a native speaker + I'm really tired...)

Modifié par Gebert, 02 juillet 2012 - 08:51 .

[Mr Arg]

We know the big war in DA3 will be very big. And the idea of a central villain would make it too easy. I'm not saying a villain would be bad (I liked ones like Saren and Death's Hand - not the top of the chain, but a product of something bigger), but it can't be all there is.

[Silver77nz]

Ideal villan? Is there really an ideal villan? I guess what would completely shock me is someone who was your mentor. Your teacher, someone through the game you actully trusted and counted on. This mentor was someone who always supported you through everything and you thought was helping you. Then come to find out every step along the road that has some kind of negative impact or people you've lost was because of this person you thought of as a mentor. That every painful moment was due to someone you looked up to as a father or mother.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Tpiom wrote...

Anything but "I want to destroy the world"-type of threat... It's getting tiresome, they had it in Knights of the Old Republic and then again in Dragon Age. Also in the Mass Effect series.

HM...destroy the world?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the Sith and the Darkspawn wantes to CONQUER the world, not destroy it.
K, darkspawn would kill everyone so they lean more towards the destroy spectrum....

[Lotion Soronarr]

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

Ideal villan? Is there really an ideal villan? I guess what would completely shock me is someone who was your mentor. Your teacher, someone through the game you actully trusted and counted on. This mentor was someone who always supported you through everything and you thought was helping you. Then come to find out every step along the road that has some kind of negative impact or people you've lost was because of this person you thought of as a mentor. That every painful moment was due to someone you looked up to as a father or mother.

I hope you don't mean someone like Kreia.

The second I saw her I already knew she will betray me...Altough I enjoyed smaking her and rejecting her idiotic philosophy, there was really no surprise.

[Silver77nz]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

Ideal villan? Is there really an ideal villan? I guess what would completely shock me is someone who was your mentor. Your teacher, someone through the game you actully trusted and counted on. This mentor was someone who always supported you through everything and you thought was helping you. Then come to find out every step along the road that has some kind of negative impact or people you've lost was because of this person you thought of as a mentor. That every painful moment was due to someone you looked up to as a father or mother.

I hope you don't mean someone like Kreia.

The second I saw her I already knew she will betray me...Altough I enjoyed smaking her and rejecting her idiotic philosophy, there was really no surprise.

I never played KoTR2 so I don't really know her character. Hopefully the mentor would be much more interesting. Hopefully it wouldn't be so obvious as well that they would betray you. 

[bloodmage13]

I would also love it if DA3's villain was Flemeth. I feel like the first two games dropped hints that she has something big planned. Also she could be manipulating the Templars and mages to fight to draw attention from her plot.
The first part of the game could be choosing a side and helping them win. The second part could be having to join forced with the losing side to defeat Flemeth and her army.

[azarhal]

NKKKK wrote...

He needs to be over the top acting, Tim Curry would be nice.

Arl Rendon Howe died by the player's hand in DA:O.


If DA3 happen in Orlais as "expected", I don't think we will lack manipulating selfserving villains that reside more in the shade of grey than true black. The whole country is only about playing the Game and this include the Chantry going by Dawn of the Seeker and Leliana's Song.

I also expect one "evil" Templar and one "evil" Mage to show up as well. :/

[EricHVela]

Anders is too obvious.

It needs to be someone that is in no way obvious until you metagame and then see all the clues that you missed the first time around.